Anyone watching C-span right now?

[Trev]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

It won't. We're attempting to "work with" people we don't understand. I doubt you could find many average Americans who could explain to you what the difference between a Sunni or a Shiite (sp) Muslim is...or where the Kurds come in. I know I don't know what any of it means, much less understand why the differences are worth blowing up children over.

Attempting to apply a new form of government to a millenias old problem isn't going to work.

Maybe we're just hoping for personal gain over faith to take effect, it's worked in every other religion, all of them were just as extreme back in the day.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Trev

Maybe we're just hoping for personal gain over faith to take effect, it's worked in every other religion, all of them were just as extreme back in the day.

That's a good point. A lot of "severe" religions folded under the weight of potential profit. But...these religions didn't have a tendency to strap bombs to *themselves* to kill others. They took the direct route in killing their enemies.

Until we either learn or acknowledge the headset of these "true believers," we're not going to be successful. It's nearly impossible to fight an enemy who doesn't give a damn whether he lives or dies, or in some of these cases, prefers death.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

That's a good point. A lot of "severe" religions folded under the weight of potential profit. But...these religions didn't have a tendency to strap bombs to *themselves* to kill others. They took the direct route in killing their enemies.

Until we either learn or acknowledge the headset of these "true believers," we're not going to be successful. It's nearly impossible to fight an enemy who doesn't give a damn whether he lives or dies, or in some of these cases, prefers death.

An excellent point, however, if we could send strap to your chest bombs back in time then history would be different altogether, Caths and Prodies have been bombing and killing eachother for all of my life time. Blowing up malls at Christmas time - pubs and bars - hotels!

The IRA, UDA and many more, make me think we're the stupid ones!

Try living in Northern Ireland being a Brit back in 79....

[Trev]

I need to add: A Catholic Brit.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Trev

I need to add: A Catholic Brit.

Fucking catho bastard!

;-)))






Which was exactly how dumb it was....best friends coming to blows or more over a religions which neither really cared about , but it was centuries of not so much religious differences but socio economic reasons that laid the seed.

ie .Protestants had/have more money and more land and an disproportionate amopunt of "control"

Hence why a great deal of American's of Irish Descent are catholics , whereas a lot of Canadian Irish are of Protestant descent.

American Irish were starving and left seeking life...not freedom...life an escape from starvation, and Canadian Irish were the younger sons trying to expand there land holdings or impress the family.(((not a lot of people know that;-))))

Now don't get me on a rant..

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Trev

An excellent point, however, if we could send strap to your chest bombs back in time then history would be different altogether, Caths and Prodies have been bombing and killing eachother for all of my life time. Blowing up malls at Christmas time - pubs and bars - hotels!

The IRA, UDA and many more, make me think we're the stupid ones!

Try living in Northern Ireland being a Brit back in 79....

Point taken.
But...the Catholics would be prohibited from doing that by church doctrine, and I think the Protestants also would frown on it heavily. A Catholic suicide can't have a church funeral or be buried in the church cemetary. (I think they use the nearest dumpster.) The Protestants aren't happy with suicide but they're not as severe as the Catholics.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Point taken.
But...the Catholics would be prohibited from doing that by church doctrine, and I think the Protestants also would frown on it heavily. A Catholic suicide can't have a church funeral or be buried in the church cemetary. (I think they use the nearest dumpster.) The Protestants aren't happy with suicide but they're not as severe as the Catholics.

That's my point - there are no Catholic extremists - no Prodie extremists - Muslim extremists - They're all terrorists, anyone using as faith as the cause is!! Faith doesn't factor into it anymore, except the muslims get 72 virgins in heaven!


I think JR hit the nail on the head when he said "shoot them in the face", I might have quoted that off a little but it's spot on.