What was in that importrant note Bush passed to Condy ?

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

your right,
USA is Republic.

My bad and nevetheless I stand corrected,
this Republic which allows you pound the President day after day is still much better than 99% of this world.

It's interesting to have Russian eyes view this nation. Serge, I'm most certain that you spend a lot of time muttering "you people have absolutely *no* clue, do you?"

My Russian doctor *loves* talking politics with my husband and I whenever we go in. He has an excitement about it that I lost a long time ago. I think you just made me understand him a bit better, Serge, and for that I thank you.


XxXotic...*deeply sad sigh* Where were you when my kids were in high school? I would have loved to have you sit in the back of the class and observe what was being taught. (I think it was when the teacher played "Spartacus" as a "history lesson" that I finally threw up my hands.) My kids learned all of this at the kitchen table during Daddy's rants.

OK, I got sidetracked.

That was a wonderful capsule definition of our governmental system. Thank you. You get an A+ and go to the head of the class.

Frequently, the kibbutz system in Israel is held up as an example of a "true" democracy that functions well. My sister and brother-in-law went to Israel on their honeymoon and visited some of his relatives in kibbutzes. I believe she said "democracy sucks" or something along those lines. My sister is definitely *not* the kibbutz type.

[JR]

did i miss something? i thought it was some joke and i was struggling to read the text. then i saw the yahoo link and thought there must be a story behind it.

basically, it is a pic of a note saying he has to go potty and this made the news? this was an important event at the UN Summit?

is this guy so bad that we now have to monitor his bladder?

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

XxXotic...*deeply sad sigh* Where were you when my kids were in high school? I would have loved to have you sit in the back of the class and observe what was being taught. (I think it was when the teacher played "Spartacus" as a "history lesson" that I finally threw up my hands.) My kids learned all of this at the kitchen table during Daddy's rants.
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It amazes me that they let complete morons mold our nation's children. I hate to sound cliche but the children ARE our future and we have a bunch of brain-dead "I teach because I can't do" morons as role models and educators. I've been kicked out of a few schools for correcting my idiot teachers. Something to be said when a student has to teach his teacher wtf they're talking about.


My mom wouldn't ever ask me what I learned at school, she'd ask me how many times I had to correct my teachers As badly as I want children, I really feel sorry for them having to grow up in this apathetic society.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

It amazes me that they let complete morons mold our nation's children. I hate to sound cliche but the children ARE our future and we have a bunch of brain-dead "I teach because I can't do" morons as role models and educators. I've been kicked out of a few schools for correcting my idiot teachers. Something to be said when a student has to teach his teacher wtf they're talking about.


My mom wouldn't ever ask me what I learned at school, she'd ask me how many times I had to correct my teachers As badly as I want children, I really feel sorry for them having to grow up in this apathetic society.

Despite the crap they tell you about all the "influences" on children, the buck *always* stops at home. You do it right and you always have more of an effect on your children than outside forces. My children are all adults now and some of the bitterness over their high school experiences have worn off. (Some.) They can laugh now. They say "of course I know that...but I learned it at home." My kids got their butts parked in front of the TV, too...but it was the Learning Channel, the Discovery Channel, PBS...the wealth of information available to educate your kids. Oh, and of course, the internet. And good old fashioned books. It may be an apathetic society...but you decide whether or not you want apathetic children. And when you do have kids and they're in school, volunteer for the PTA. You'll be *there* and you'll know more about what's going on in their school. Your kids will get treated differently. You kids will *know* when they've got an asshole teacher and react appropriately. They'll also know when they get a good one and make that teacher's life so much easier.

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Despite the crap they tell you about all the "influences" on children, the buck *always* stops at home. You do it right and you always have more of an effect on your children than outside forces. My children are all adults now and some of the bitterness over their high school experiences have worn off. (Some.) They can laugh now. They say "of course I know that...but I learned it at home." My kids got their butts parked in front of the TV, too...but it was the Learning Channel, the Discovery Channel, PBS...the wealth of information available to educate your kids. Oh, and of course, the internet. And good old fashioned books. It may be an apathetic society...but you decide whether or not you want apathetic children. And when you do have kids and they're in school, volunteer for the PTA. You'll be *there* and you'll know more about what's going on in their school. Your kids will get treated differently. You kids will *know* when they've got an asshole teacher and react appropriately. They'll also know when they get a good one and make that teacher's life so much easier.

I agree about everything stopping at home, but what sense does it make to send my kids to school then have to de-learn everything they've been taught and teach them again. I'm sending my kids to montessori schools then when they're old enough I think I'm going to home-school them just to avoid the hassle of them being taught by people who need a calculator to put 2 and 2 together

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

I agree about everything stopping at home, but what sense does it make to send my kids to school then have to de-learn everything they've been taught and teach them again. I'm sending my kids to montessori schools then when they're old enough I think I'm going to home-school them just to avoid the hassle of them being taught by people who need a calculator to put 2 and 2 together

Homeschooling has worked for a lot of people, especially since there are so many ways of getting children the "socialization" they need. (For a long time, that was the big "con" people used against homeschooling. Kids need to be around other kids, that's true, but a good soccer league or any of the many other things deals with that nicely.)

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Homeschooling has worked for a lot of people, especially since there are so many ways of getting children the "socialization" they need. (For a long time, that was the big "con" people used against homeschooling. Kids need to be around other kids, that's true, but a good soccer league or any of the many other things deals with that nicely.)

i think I might like my kids to be loners, I don't want them to be infected by the stupidity that runs rampant now a days

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

i think I might like my kids to be loners, I don't want them to be infected by the stupidity that runs rampant now a days

even nowadays the smart ones know how to turn the stupidity to their advantge


http://forums.winespectator.com/grou...61/m/574102423

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

It amazes me that they let complete morons mold our nation's children. I hate to sound cliche but the children ARE our future and we have a bunch of brain-dead "I teach because I can't do" morons as role models and educators. I've been kicked out of a few schools for correcting my idiot teachers. Something to be said when a student has to teach his teacher wtf they're talking about.


My mom wouldn't ever ask me what I learned at school, she'd ask me how many times I had to correct my teachers As badly as I want children, I really feel sorry for them having to grow up in this apathetic society.

the bigger problem is parents
we held out first PTA Open House night of year last night and a grand total of 17 people showed up (not counting board members)

600 students at the school and only 17 could be bothered to pull their fat asses away from their TV sets to discuss issues that affect their kids. Fucking disgusting.

I volunteer a lot of time at my kids' school and participate in a lot of school activities and the attendence from parents is abysmal. They don't seem to take any interest in their kids' educations, so why should their kids?

Maybe I'm lucky that my kids attend a school where the teachers have been outstanding? My oldest son has selectvie mutism and requires a special type of teacher (one that doesn't frustrate easy and doesn't mind me having to explain selective mutsim for the 100th time). He's had some amazing teachers and a very supportive staff at the school. I've found his teachers to be very caring and I even know most of them on a personal out of school basis and they are very dedicated, hardworking and grossly underpaid for what they do. The biggest complaint they have (besides pay) is lack of parental involvement in their children's education. Example: my son's teacher last year would send home a homework and progress report every Friday night for me to discuss with my son over the weekend, sign and return. She said less than 25% return those on a regular basis. I was stunned. I remember one weekend where I was a little busy and forgot to sign one of the reports and felt bad, then found out most parents didn't even bother to return them at all.

How many parents bother contacting the teachers of their kids on a monthly or semimonthly basis? How many even know the name of the principal of their kids' school?

I tell you, the last year of my serving on the PTA/PTO board has really opened my eyes. If the parents sending their kids to school don't give a shit about what they are learning, why should the kids?

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

the bigger problem is parents
we held out first PTA Open House night of year last night and a grand total of 17 people showed up (not counting board members)

600 students at the school and only 17 could be bothered to pull their fat asses away from their TV sets to discuss issues that affect their kids. Fucking disgusting.

I volunteer a lot of time at my kids' school and participate in a lot of school activities and the attendence from parents is abysmal. They don't seem to take any interest in their kids' educations, so why should their kids?

Maybe I'm lucky that my kids attend a school where the teachers have been outstanding? My oldest son has selectvie mutism and requires a special type of teacher (one that doesn't frustrate easy and doesn't mind me having to explain selective mutsim for the 100th time). He's had some amazing teachers and a very supportive staff at the school. I've found his teachers to be very caring and I even know most of them on a personal out of school basis and they are very dedicated, hardworking and grossly underpaid for what they do. The biggest complaint they have (besides pay) is lack of parental involvement in their children's education. Example: my son's teacher last year would send home a homework and progress report every Friday night for me to discuss with my son over the weekend, sign and return. She said less than 25% return those on a regular basis. I was stunned. I remember one weekend where I was a little busy and forgot to sign one of the reports and felt bad, then found out most parents didn't even bother to return them at all.

How many parents bother contacting the teachers of their kids on a monthly or semimonthly basis? How many even know the name of the principal of their kids' school?

I tell you, the last year of my serving on the PTA/PTO board has really opened my eyes. If the parents sending their kids to school don't give a shit about what they are learning, why should the kids?

lol don't even get me started on what's happened to parenting in the world today. I don't even have kids and I could go on for days about it.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

the bigger problem is parents
we held out first PTA Open House night of year last night and a grand total of 17 people showed up (not counting board members)

600 students at the school and only 17 could be bothered to pull their fat asses away from their TV sets to discuss issues that affect their kids. Fucking disgusting.

I volunteer a lot of time at my kids' school and participate in a lot of school activities and the attendence from parents is abysmal. They don't seem to take any interest in their kids' educations, so why should their kids?

Maybe I'm lucky that my kids attend a school where the teachers have been outstanding? My oldest son has selectvie mutism and requires a special type of teacher (one that doesn't frustrate easy and doesn't mind me having to explain selective mutsim for the 100th time). He's had some amazing teachers and a very supportive staff at the school. I've found his teachers to be very caring and I even know most of them on a personal out of school basis and they are very dedicated, hardworking and grossly underpaid for what they do. The biggest complaint they have (besides pay) is lack of parental involvement in their children's education. Example: my son's teacher last year would send home a homework and progress report every Friday night for me to discuss with my son over the weekend, sign and return. She said less than 25% return those on a regular basis. I was stunned. I remember one weekend where I was a little busy and forgot to sign one of the reports and felt bad, then found out most parents didn't even bother to return them at all.

How many parents bother contacting the teachers of their kids on a monthly or semimonthly basis? How many even know the name of the principal of their kids' school?

I tell you, the last year of my serving on the PTA/PTO board has really opened my eyes. If the parents sending their kids to school don't give a shit about what they are learning, why should the kids?

umm they are fucking kids!!!

Attend something that is not compulsory?

I still wouldn't!!

LOL

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

the bigger problem is parents
we held out first PTA Open House night of year last night and a grand total of 17 people showed up (not counting board members)

600 students at the school and only 17 could be bothered to pull their fat asses away from their TV sets to discuss issues that affect their kids. Fucking disgusting.

I volunteer a lot of time at my kids' school and participate in a lot of school activities and the attendence from parents is abysmal. They don't seem to take any interest in their kids' educations, so why should their kids?

Maybe I'm lucky that my kids attend a school where the teachers have been outstanding? My oldest son has selectvie mutism and requires a special type of teacher (one that doesn't frustrate easy and doesn't mind me having to explain selective mutsim for the 100th time). He's had some amazing teachers and a very supportive staff at the school. I've found his teachers to be very caring and I even know most of them on a personal out of school basis and they are very dedicated, hardworking and grossly underpaid for what they do. The biggest complaint they have (besides pay) is lack of parental involvement in their children's education. Example: my son's teacher last year would send home a homework and progress report every Friday night for me to discuss with my son over the weekend, sign and return. She said less than 25% return those on a regular basis. I was stunned. I remember one weekend where I was a little busy and forgot to sign one of the reports and felt bad, then found out most parents didn't even bother to return them at all.

How many parents bother contacting the teachers of their kids on a monthly or semimonthly basis? How many even know the name of the principal of their kids' school?

I tell you, the last year of my serving on the PTA/PTO board has really opened my eyes. If the parents sending their kids to school don't give a shit about what they are learning, why should the kids?

I am not going to even discuss parents at this point, I could go on for far too long, (I plan on going on for a lifetime in fact, in Child Advocate law) ...about parents passing the buck of responsibility off to other factors.

Teachers are put in a very difficult position on a lot of levels, they are expected to be role models, and on some levels disciplinarians and that's where they get really stuck between a rock and a hard place... on one hand you have the parents who are only all too happy to let the teacher be the main disciplinarian, which makes them out to be the "bad guy" and the kid sees that the parents don't care so why should they & their respect for the teacher goes down the tube & the kids grades drop & suddenly the teacher "isn't doing their job" because the kid isn't learning anything. Then you've got some of those parents who are horrified at the thought of a teacher being a disciplinarian and if the teacher even tries to do such the parent gets outraged & infuriated & if the kid acts up in class then the teacher can't really do anything (parents will complain to administration and that's just too much hassle) and so the kid gets away with whatever, doesn't learn anything, and suddenly the teacher isn't doing their job. *rolls eyes*

When I have kids I do not expect that I shall be sending them to public schools at all, I would rather take the time, research the options in private schools, have meetings with the private schools faculty & administration, in all honesty I'd want to meet with my child's instructor every year prior to my child meeting their instructor, just to ensure that they are the right instructor for my kid, or at least are willing to work with me to ensure that they & myself are at an agreement as to how situations are handled etc. I'd want a school that allowed those options, and I'd pick a school that will work -with- me and has a population of kids whose parents -also- care about their childs education. This isn't to say that there aren't parents of kids in public schools that don't care about their kids education mind you.

Okay time to go read a diff' thread, I'm getting all riled up again over the thoughts of how many awful parents there are..