Halting The Use Of Puppies And Kittens As Shark Bait

[WickedTemptress]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

First, Morgan has to control the urge to vomit on her keyboard that hit when she read that article.
Second, Morgan has to go pet all of her cats.

*deep breath*

OK...sarettah...this seems to be your day as "Fair Point Devil's Advocate." You're right. *Certain* animal rights people do seem to have a preference for only the "cute" animals. (Refusing to eat tuna because dolphins get caught in the net is a case in point. It's all right to slaughter the tuna, but not the dolphins. For those of you who know more about this, yes, I am fully aware that dolphins have a higher intelligence and are swimming in the deeper end of the gene pool...so-to-speak.)

However...we as a civilization have categorized animals. Certain are used for food (which as omnivores, we have as much right to do as lions on the Sarengeti...except for the "Killing it ourselves" part, which we do not do) and certain animals are labeled "pets." (There are other labels, but these are the two relevent ones.) Using "pets" for bait is going to cause a horrific knee-jerk reaction and logic be damned. It did in me and I try and work on the logical side of my brain and let it out to walk around as much as possible.

Something Wicca This Way Comes....
Cats and dogs are especially beloved of the Goddess. They are able to see past the veil, which is why the tend to freak out - or just respond, depending - in a house occupied by an entity humans may not be able to see. They have been worshipped at different times in history by different cultures. A lot of witches have cats as "familiars." (Look it up, gentle reader, if interested.)

Historians say dogs were among the first domesticated animals, used for companionship and protection. Our love affair with these two species has gone on for millions of years.

Attempting to drag myself back to the original point, you're right sarettah. We should care about *all* living creatures, not just the cute ones.

I'm going to send positive energy to Wicked Temptress now in the hopes I can help her up off the floor.

And who said I was on the floor? Hmmm?

Ok, ok... I was... But, for entirely different reasons than you think...

And Morgan, I wasn't aware I was in the presence of a fellow Wiccan

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by WickedTemptress

And who said I was on the floor? Hmmm?

Ok, ok... I was... But, for entirely different reasons than you think...

And Morgan, I wasn't aware I was in the presence of a fellow Wiccan

Yes. I converted years ago. For a long time, I followed the "uh...you might want to keep this to yourself" advice until it began to eat at me. It felt as if *not* mentioning it was because I was ashamed of it. I don't do things I'm ashamed of. The first time I mentioned it was at the hospital, when the nice young lady said "do you have a religious preference?" I said "yes." She asked "what?" I told her and she typed it in without batting an eye.

I haven't told my siblings, because they're rather judgemental people who don't know a lot about a lot of things. I grieve over that.

I need to study more. I have so many books here that haven't been read.

I'm really, *really* going to miss my daughter during Mabon and Samheim. They were her two favorites of the Sabbats.

[MorganGrayson]

Sarettah....I am going to give you a vicious spaning over that pic!!!!

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Sarettah....I am going to give you a vicious spaning over that pic!!!!

Hey, don't blame me....... http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=33445

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Hey, don't blame me....... http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=33445

I wasn't present for the first posting of the pic.

I still want to get my palm on your butt.


Erm...I mean...you deserve a good spanking, buster!

[WickedTemptress]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Yes. I converted years ago. For a long time, I followed the "uh...you might want to keep this to yourself" advice until it began to eat at me. It felt as if *not* mentioning it was because I was ashamed of it. I don't do things I'm ashamed of. The first time I mentioned it was at the hospital, when the nice young lady said "do you have a religious preference?" I said "yes." She asked "what?" I told her and she typed it in without batting an eye.

I haven't told my siblings, because they're rather judgemental people who don't know a lot about a lot of things. I grieve over that.

I need to study more. I have so many books here that haven't been read.

I'm really, *really* going to miss my daughter during Mabon and Samheim. They were her two favorites of the Sabbats.

*smiles* Ahh, we were in the broom closet, were we? Glad you decided to come out and join the rest of us.

Yes, I have also been in that same situation in the hospital. They start off standing there smiling and waiting for you to answer(with their pens pressed to the paper, ready to scribble down the answer they're anticipating you to respond with.)

Then you tell them and they kinda pause and look at you like "what did you say?" Almost like they can't believe you'd answer with anything but what they thought you'd answer with.

Oh! What are you reading? I have some suggestions for you if you'd like.

If you ever have any questions, just let me know, I'll be happy to help in whatever way that I can.

Samhain is my FAVORITE holiday. And, wouldn't you know it, my favorite holiday is in my favorite season!

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by WickedTemptress

*smiles* Ahh, we were in the broom closet, were we? Glad you decided to come out and join the rest of us.

Yes, I have also been in that same situation in the hospital. They start off standing there smiling and waiting for you to answer(with their pens pressed to the paper, ready to scribble down the answer they're anticipating you to respond with.)

Then you tell them and they kinda pause and look at you like "what did you say?" Almost like they can't believe you'd answer with anything but what they thought you'd answer with.

Oh! What are you reading? I have some suggestions for you if you'd like.

If you ever have any questions, just let me know, I'll be happy to help in whatever way that I can.

Samhain is my FAVORITE holiday. And, wouldn't you know it, my favorite holiday is in my favorite season!

I *love* the "in the broom closet" line!!! That has always been one of my favorites!!!

Sadly - and in quite an embarrassed way - I admit I haven't read anything in a long time. I've always had a problem with putting things that are important to *me* first in life.

I'd LOVE advice, help, recommended books, just knowing that I can say "Merry Meet!" or "Blessed Be" should I be so moved to do so and not everybody will go "huh?"!! Being a solitary so often sucks.

Samheim is the biggest celebration around here, as it should be. The altar takes up half the kitchen table. The day my husband made a fake hand rolled cigarette to honor his grandfather and put it on the altar reduced me to tears. (One of his fondest childhood memories was sitting at his grandfather's feet watching him roll his own cigarettes.) It was our first Samheim celebration. (I keep misspelling it...but I do pronounce it correctly.) He had been warmly indulgent during my search for what I was and shared my joy at finding out that what I was had an actual name. (We were both raised Catholic...and knew *that* wasn't it.) He's not a "declared Wiccan," but if you list what he believes...he comes so very close it doesn't really need declaring.

My son-in-law is Druid. A very long time ago he asked my daughter what her parents would think. All she could do was laugh and say "trust me on this one!"

[WickedTemptress]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

I *love* the "in the broom closet" line!!! That has always been one of my favorites!!!

Sadly - and in quite an embarrassed way - I admit I haven't read anything in a long time. I've always had a problem with putting things that are important to *me* first in life.

I'd LOVE advice, help, recommended books, just knowing that I can say "Merry Meet!" or "Blessed Be" should I be so moved to do so and not everybody will go "huh?"!! Being a solitary so often sucks.

Samheim is the biggest celebration around here, as it should be. The altar takes up half the kitchen table. The day my husband made a fake hand rolled cigarette to honor his grandfather and put it on the altar reduced me to tears. (One of his fondest childhood memories was sitting at his grandfather's feet watching him roll his own cigarettes.) It was our first Samheim celebration. (I keep misspelling it...but I do pronounce it correctly.) He had been warmly indulgent during my search for what I was and shared my joy at finding out that what I was had an actual name. (We were both raised Catholic...and knew *that* wasn't it.) He's not a "declared Wiccan," but if you list what he believes...he comes so very close it doesn't really need declaring.

My son-in-law is Druid. A very long time ago he asked my daughter what her parents would think. All she could do was laugh and say "trust me on this one!"

There are actually a few of us Wiccans in the business. I've met about a handful so far over the years. *smiles* I know what you mean though.

As for a recommended list of things to read... I recommend "The Witch's Magical Handbook" By Gavin and Yvonne Frost. Really anything by them is good, but the one I recommended is excellent.

I don't know if you know who they are, but they are the ones that started the first church and school of Wicca and the ones that are responsible for getting Wicca recognized by the federal government as a religion.

Also "Buckland's Complete Book Of Witchcraft" By Raymond Buckland is a good one. He also has a video tape called "Witchcraft: Today and Yesterday" that is good.

Oh, and, I was raised Catholic as well. Well, my mom's side of the family is Catholic. My dad is Baptist. My brother and sister are Christian. And, my step-father is Protestant.

So, you could say I had a good mix of all of these growing up.

I'm an Eclectic Wiccan.

Merry Meet and Blessed Be Morgan, my dear

[DrGuile]

I had horse... its alright... very much like beef

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by DrGuile

I had horse... its alright... very much like beef

Yeah, but you're French so you probably use puppies and kittens as bait too...