They have pussified basic training

[Anthony]

I'm with PD Ryan. You have no clue what you are talking about.

I went through boot camp at NRC Orlando in 1988. Never once had an instructor lay a hand on me. I had many get in my face yelling at me, but never touched.

You must be living in some world where the men were men because they were beaten.

Our Armed Forces win because they were given the best training and equipment to win.

[RyanLanane]

Hold on a minute, PD has transformed this into a crusade against me...

I never once said it is O.K. to beat the living shit out of a soldier to train them. Here are some of the things I said

"Going in... I would expect nothing less than throwing up from runnign so hard, my hands to be so callous at the end you could hold a lighter to them for two minutes and not feel it, and I would expect a drill Seargant to knock the shit out of me (literally) if I acted out of line. It's what makes a man.. a man "

I never said beat the shit out of EVERYONE ... I said that's what "I" would 'expect' going in... And yeah if I am so exhausted 3/4 of the way through a 10 mile run I would expect if not a DS one of my fellow officers to pull me up and PUSH ME to finish the rest of the damn run ...

Truth be told, I still feel if I 'acted out of line' and told a DS to "Fuck Off" ... Then I sort of deserve it. This is how I think, not everyone has to agree with me...


" Being 10 miles behind 5,000 soldiers who were trained by the biggest fucking asshole Drill Seargent you have ever met in your life that would pull you up by the neck collar if you stopped running 80% of the way througha 20 mile walk... along with other 'unnecessary brutality' "

Nowadays people have gotten so soft they think my above example of someone collapsing at the end of a run that is nearly over should be able to sit down, grab a bottle of water, and catch their breath. We can 'hope' they do better next time when they have 100 rebels chasing them through town and they are alone. Maybe the rebels will let them stop for a bottle of water?

Fuck that, pardon my french.... You go into the Army to be trained. This has nothing, absolutel NOTHING to do with beating a soldier. I stated since women have joined what is considered 'excessive force' or 'improper treatment' is becoming a broader and broader spectrum. If you can deny that, go ahead...

Point out once where I ever said that it was O.K. what the Captain did. And do I consider getting punched in the gut excessive? Yeah... Did it kill the guy though ? Was it really worth ending the career of a man over? Jesus...

All I know is I would NOT want to be the soldier that got punched in the gut and got a decorated officer fired. I could live with just being the soldier that got punched in the gut by a decorated officer right or not.

I agree we disagree on this one ... and you took some of my posts out of context as well..

[JR]

abuse is an important part of the process in my opinion. has anyone ever talked to a marine from 40-50 years ago who had regrets? every one that i know would do it again and again.

hazing does not exist for fun and games and to satisfy sadistic tendencies of a few... it has an important role in solidifying loyalties to an organization or social group - the more intense the abuse, the more intense a persons loyalty tends to be to that organization. its about improved chances of individual survival and survival of the group.

not my idea... just basic fundamentals of pychology.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by JR

abuse is an important part of the process in my opinion. has anyone ever talked to a marine from 40-50 years ago who had regrets? every one that i know would do it again and again.

hazing does not exist for fun and games and to satisfy sadistic tendencies of a few... it has an important role in solidifying loyalties to an organization or social group - the more intense the abuse, the more intense a persons loyalty tends to be to that organization. its about improved chances of individual survival and survival of the group.

not my idea... just basic fundamentals of pychology.

I've met plenty of guys who searched Europe and the Pacific, Korea, and/or Vietnam looking for the Company Commander/Drill Instructor that pushed them through boot camp. It's about a 50/50 split whether they wanted to shake their hand or kick their ass.

There is plenty of hazing and abuse that goes on during basic training that's perfectly legal. The training methods of 40 and 50 years ago, with 4 or 6 or 8 million sad sacks in uniform, will not work today.

[JR]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

I've met plenty of guys who searched Europe and the Pacific, Korea, and/or Vietnam looking for the Company Commander/Drill Instructor that pushed them through boot camp. It's about a 50/50 split whether they wanted to shake their hand or kick their ass.

There is plenty of hazing and abuse that goes on during basic training that's perfectly legal. The training methods of 40 and 50 years ago, with 4 or 6 or 8 million sad sacks in uniform, will not work today.

My grandfather lied about his age at 16 to join the Marines and go to Korea. he told me so many stories about boot camp that seem unimaginable today

"Private!"

"Yes Sir"

"Private, do you see this window? I want you to remove it right now!"

"But i don't have any tools Sir!"

"Tools? YOU'RE A FUCKING MARINE!!"

he says he would not trade those experiences for anything.