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Old 01-30-2005   #1
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RyanLanane

You wanted to know what Ron was up to?

He is still in Adult and a partner of "The Butcher" on a fake assed board that started up that currently has 3000 members online. LOL

I'm asking round who the butcher is...No one knows who is he is.

I am getting feedback ranging from:
He is based in Montreal but likes to pretend he is in America.
His domains are registered to France and Britain
He owns a load of incest related domains , but the registry is hidden.

Some say he is "David Manning" a guy who had a board paying 8 cents a post.
Some say he is a guy called "steve"

Eitherway loads of people are now looking right up his ass.

Of course Ron ,who admits he is a partner , could just come out and say something publicly about him.

Thats what I don't understand.If it was all on the up and up someone like Ron ,surely , would have no trouble coming here and explaining all about it it.

Meanwhile people are carrying out all sorts of investigations on him.A couple I have heard about are really ingenious LOL , I'm waiting til they share the results.LOL

But yeah , he is still in adult.
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r-n l-vi has never left.

He never will. He is the grimm reaper of porn, always looking for new scams, and newbies to fleece.
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anyone know if posters go paid on that board?
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anyone know if posters go paid on that board?
I've heard from some that they are waiting

And I've heard from some that paid for there sigs that it is a total waste of time money and effort
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interesting, i would like to know more about this since i was not around back in the day?
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interesting, i would like to know more about this since i was not around back in the day?
Don't ever work out a custom little deal with him. Not that you have the opportunity to anymore anyway.....


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Izzy a little background on "The Butcher"

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s...&hl=sponsorchat

Re;FM

FM owned CE , alledgedly sold it.

He opened Adultnetsurprise when I refused to sell him half of Netpond ( for $1)back in 2001.

I think he also may have part funded Meat's legal action against me back then.

Back in 97/98 though he was real helpful to me as a newbie and gave me good advice.
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Thanks guys, was just wondering... I noticed his CECash program looks pretty weak as far as offerings and there are a TON of broken links all over the place once you sign up... Only reason I asked.
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unfortunately i did not know this earlier. i registered for that board as well, not knwoing the background.

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I have never had the pleasure ( or misfortune) depending on who you ask, of meeting Ron Levy.

Nor have I had an opportunity to use CECash as of yet on anything I am involved with .

However I have met John, Bob brandt, and MikeB and Of course bigB all of CE and i think those guys are a terricfic group of guys to talk with.

It is obvious though that the new board is a scam, I just do not see the angle, unless it is a devious one from the start. and that has me concerned for sure .

I for one will not go there.

I agree it would be nice to find out how such a good group could get involved with such a scam.

I would love to see Fantasyman come and explain the involvment as well.
Some stories tell it that he was the original pioneeer of the adult internet as we now know it. and baing to new as izzy mentioned, I would also like to know more in order to make a good assessment of the facts.
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John at CECash is one of my favorite people to get drunk with.

Great guy.

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R-n is very successful, part of the reason is he hires very smart and talented people. He has a great crew - even though most are abused by the Almighty One!
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the penguin. All talk, the original internet tough guy, fake balls, no real sac.

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The Butcher called me a few weeks back. He told me that he had little to no experience in the industry and even went as far as to ask for advice on building small tgps.

He seemed a very nice, cordial guy.

However, thee above is not proof positive of "who" he is, just a small sample of what he told me about himself.
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The Butcher called me a few weeks back. He told me that he had little to no experience in the industry and even went as far as to ask for advice on building small tgps.

He seemed a very nice, cordial guy.

However, thee above is not proof positive of "who" he is, just a small sample of what he told me about himself.
What accent did he have?

Thats what he tells everyone.....
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Gawd, your worst than a bunch of old ladies gathered in a bingo hall :-))

Who cares?

Trust me when I tell you, if you have no idea what is going on, not many do. I know I did not when I was affiliated. However, I would be lying if I did not admit I did not do some "forensics" piece mealing stuff together.

What did I come up with? A ton of rumours, and a great form of entertainment in the process.

I did not get a chance to "see" this bearded FM at the show. Do I think he has his hands in the cookie jar no matter how bizzare? Yup. Do I know which cookie jar it is? Nope.

Whatever he is doing, I wish him well and hope he has a chance to enjoy the fruit of all his labors.
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heya Lee.. sent you an e-mail and ICQ auth....
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Made clickthru money from Fantasyman in 96/97... until we used one of the banners, which said something very similiar to "click here to enter" on all our frontpages ;-)) ... A few days later our account was cancelled by FM, but we were paid in full

I remeber later on, then we always checked the processing at the FM sites - always gave us a hint on which processor would be next ;-)))
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I remeber later on, then we always checked the processing at the FM sites - always gave us a hint on which processor would be next ;-)))
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Gawd, your worst than a bunch of old ladies gathered in a bingo hall :-))

Who cares?

Trust me when I tell you, if you have no idea what is going on, not many do. I know I did not when I was affiliated. However, I would be lying if I did not admit I did not do some "forensics" piece mealing stuff together.

What did I come up with? A ton of rumours, and a great form of entertainment in the process.

I did not get a chance to "see" this bearded FM at the show. Do I think he has his hands in the cookie jar no matter how bizzare? Yup. Do I know which cookie jar it is? Nope.

Whatever he is doing, I wish him well and hope he has a chance to enjoy the fruit of all his labors.
Lee - how much did you get paid to have that opinion?


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Yes I do Nick
It's mutual - and now we sound Homo


I've stayed out of this thread but ......

.... somewhere I still have the emails from R_n threating legal action for my opinion on some things

When I received email stating I'd hear from lawyers I replied I hoped is was because they were going to send me a nice Hickory Farms basket for Christmas
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Sorry to hear that vick...

I keep hearing more and more bad things about this guy, boy he sure fooled a lot of people huh.

so he really never left?
and he is yelling at people for posting on Orpano, hmmmm
I hear he also trys to imtimidate people all the time, is this how he does business as a modus operendi?
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Sorry to hear that vick...

I keep hearing more and more bad things about this guy, boy he sure fooled a lot of people huh.

so he really never left?
and he is yelling at people for posting on Orpano, hmmmm
I hear he also trys to imtimidate people all the time, is this how he does business as a modus operendi?
Joe, I'll tell you this for free ...

R_n is out of your league, so give it up before you get yourself into trouble.

Its one thing to jump on the 'brad shaw sucks' bandwagon, but R_n is a serious businessman who will crush you with his pinky finger.

A little less keyboard warrior and a little more eyes and ears would benefit you well - before you get in over your head.

Besides, who cares what the silly old fart is up to. Few of us have any business with him anyway ...

There's family, and there's non-family. Can't be much more black and white than that.
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Just to clarify FM has never done anything wrong against us - all deals have been according to the terms/contract, and we have always been happy at the end of the day - business is business, risk want you can afford, and you will be alright

* This post was 100% voluntary ;-)
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Just to clarify FM has never done anything wrong against us - all deals have been according to the terms/contract, and we have always been happy at the end of the day - business is business, risk want you can afford, and you will be alright

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yep hes always been 100% on the up and up, never missed a CE check, even overpaid at times. Doesnt mean he cant be a no balls having asshole.

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Think I will stay out of this thread, but I think he looks forward to my obiturary in this business:-)
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Thats the same hunger Joe and the guys have with Remote Thumbs.
Joe gets excited I think becasue hes serious.

No matter who you are...you have to agree that Joe isnt afraid of work.

Those guys have some VERY big things on the horizon!
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Well said CJ but your also old school like many of us are.

FM, has done alot for the business, and even if he is sailing another course, you cannot take away all the contribution this man brought to this industry that is viable today.

Ya either loved him or hated him. He has a brilliant business mind and a memory of an elephant, he can pull emails from 9 years ago in about 30 seconds and quote something you said with total proof.

Could he crush somebody now? Nah, I do not believe that. His connections via business deals gave him the power thru alliances to do whatever he had to do, whether it be a good thing or not.

At one time, it was believed the only way to leave CE was in a body bag, and we all know in these times, its all love and well wishes.

Times have changed, I do not believe CE has the influence and wing span it once had. There are so many sponsors now, and webmasters are very pleased with all the choices. No one sponsor has the power to ruin a webmaster easily like in the old times.

But FM in the old days and the new CE will always protect their trademarks and copyrights, and will knock you out of the ballpark if you try to disparage them, steal from them, or bring them harm.

There is no way FM or anyone would crush a webmaster for opinion oppositions, actually at one time FM liked a good piss fought with facts...he chooses his battles, and we all know when he starts, he is relentless....I miss that side of FM and I miss him on the boards. We had some great pee's.

I could still piss with FM, perhaps one day he will surprise us all, and drop by Oprano and fill the bucket.

WHo knows where he is and what he does, but he is not a man to fear unless you are with a deathwish and fuck with the things I noted above.

I mean, once he left the "house" which had to be really hard to do because he likes to fly the plane, I would think he could careless about boards....
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WHo knows where he is and what he does, but he is not a man to fear unless you are with a deathwish and fuck with the things I noted above.

I mean, once he left the "house" which had to be really hard to do because he likes to fly the plane, I would think he could careless about boards....
He's not THAT hard to find, he has an entire "Ask Fantasyman" forum on his chatboard
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The Butcher agreed to answer questions on http://www.greenguyandjim.com

And evaded every single one.

Someone on gfy has said that maybe our threads concerning this Butcher matter and this thread are pertinent.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index...howtopic=16150


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Well said CJ but your also old school like many of us are.

FM, has done alot for the business, and even if he is sailing another course, you cannot take away all the contribution this man brought to this industry that is viable today.

Ya either loved him or hated him. He has a brilliant business mind and a memory of an elephant, he can pull emails from 9 years ago in about 30 seconds and quote something you said with total proof.

Could he crush somebody now? Nah, I do not believe that. His connections via business deals gave him the power thru alliances to do whatever he had to do, whether it be a good thing or not.

At one time, it was believed the only way to leave CE was in a body bag, and we all know in these times, its all love and well wishes.

Times have changed, I do not believe CE has the influence and wing span it once had. There are so many sponsors now, and webmasters are very pleased with all the choices. No one sponsor has the power to ruin a webmaster easily like in the old times.

But FM in the old days and the new CE will always protect their trademarks and copyrights, and will knock you out of the ballpark if you try to disparage them, steal from them, or bring them harm.

There is no way FM or anyone would crush a webmaster for opinion oppositions, actually at one time FM liked a good piss fought with facts...he chooses his battles, and we all know when he starts, he is relentless....I miss that side of FM and I miss him on the boards. We had some great pee's.

I could still piss with FM, perhaps one day he will surprise us all, and drop by Oprano and fill the bucket.

WHo knows where he is and what he does, but he is not a man to fear unless you are with a deathwish and fuck with the things I noted above.

I mean, once he left the "house" which had to be really hard to do because he likes to fly the plane, I would think he could careless about boards....
Dean did a whole lot more for me than FM. between Dean, Serge, ScottPB, thats all i needed as far as the output was concerned.


it was simple really.. his sites just stopped onverting. I dont give a shit how fancy your stats are.. for christs sake i had to pour over serge's referrer logs and sometimes count my own hits, but the bottom line was worth it John Cotact and his stats systyem Y2k
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FM took me through Internet Grade School

I got my Batchelors under Dean

And Scottpb and Serge helped me earn my masters and doctorate.

The doctorate portion cost me prolly a couple of Million , but then any education worth having is expensive.

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I was also told that he was a good businessman, and again as I mentioned before " The pioneeer of the adult industry"

I am just trying to figure out if that was a good thing or a bad thing? in a sense
and learn the history of the business from the larger players standpoint.

one must understand the good and the bad to learn and prosper, I am still in a stage of trying to figure out what those are ( the good and the bad)

Then you and everyone else can count on me fighting to my deaath in defense of it, or them!!! ( becasue like you said there is family and non family black and white!)

regardless of the opponent or their abilities, I am a warrior at heart ( my keyboard skills suck for the most part however LOL) and am not concerned with how strong the opponent may or may not be, I fight the same either way! and Idont stop till it is over!
Joe,
You're a sweetheart, there's no doubt about that.

But you have no business with Ron directly, and he really doesn't care any more about what pretty much anyone is doing with anything.

I think CJ was trying to point out that there are times to listen and times to talk.
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Meanwhile I just asked "The Butcher" front on if he is Steve Goldman on Greenguy and Jims board. LOL

I'm waiting for answers to various pertinent questions.We all are.


He was afraid to come on Oprano to defend himself.

Don't know why...
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Then you and everyone else can count on me fighting to my deaath in defense of it, or them!!! ( becasue like you said there is family and non family black and white!)
I can see this, and we appreciate it. I'm just saying, you don't need to prove it over and over - especially not at the expense of yourself
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I agree , Rowdy is a good guy.
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I think Homegrown for one would beg to differ.
But Homegrown did have business with Ron directly. Ron's not a saint, but he is definitely a shrewd businessman who generally comes out the winner at the end of a partnership.

cj is still right tho.
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You can find his lacky bitch rowdy on the ce forum, he can pass on messages like the mailman he is. (actually rowdy is a good guy) too bad he'll get fucked in the ass and be on the street when r_n has his first heart attack and sells out. depending on fm for a longterm income is probably the worst financial move you could make.
I've worked with Rowdy on/off for years and there's no way anyone could call him anyone's bitch no matter who he works for/with. I've never known Rowdy to ever depend upon anyone completely other than himself. He's a smart guy with a lot of common sense and experience - that's why he was always perfect to coach newbies or set affiliates straight on making the most out of a program.

Opti said it best, he's beyond reproach IMHO as well... one of the good guys.
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