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DrGuile · 12-08-2004

http://news.com.com/Adware+cannibals+feast...ml?tag=nefd.top

Companies that use free software downloads to target Web surfers with annoying ads are turning on each other to keep customers--and the cash they generate--for themselves.

The tactic is in the spotlight in a little-noticed legal dispute unfolding in Seattle. Caribbean-based ad company Avenue Media last month accused New York-based DirectRevenue of using competing software to detect and delete Avenue Media's Internet Optimizer program from its customers' computers.

According to the Nov. 24 complaint, DirectResponse's software detects Internet Optimizer and then sends a command to "kill" the program, a process that deletes its files from the PC registry and from the computer altogether. Avenue Media said DirectRevenue's tactics have caused it to lose about 1 million customers--about half its installed base--and as much as $10,000 a day in revenue.

"DirectRevenue, knowingly and with intent to defraud, exceeded its authorized access to users' computers...by automatically uninstalling Avenue Media's Internet Optimizer upon installation or update of DirectRevenue's competing browser," according to the complaint, which was filed in a district court in Seattle.

Avenue Media's lawsuit offers the latest twist in the tangled and sometimes seedy tale of programs--known as adware, malware or spyware--designed to deliver advertisements from an all-seeing and sometimes inextricable place on the PC. Though there are many useful applications for the desktop and the Web, the industry associated with it is much like the Wild West, with no real rules or self-regulation, and can taint even responsible companies.

Legal experts said Avenue Media's lawsuit is important because, if the charges hold up, it may shed light on the rights of software makers when it comes to changing users' personal PC settings. The suit also could turn up the volume on the outcry from consumers and privacy watchdogs over the plague of spyware and malware applications online.

"Once the computer is infected with 10 different unwanted programs, the person is likely to take some action to address the situation," said Ben Edelman, a researcher at Harvard University.

Edelman says he has recorded instances of DirectRevenue's software uninstalling Avenue Media's program. "Assuming you could get away with this, it could be highly lucrative."

Founded in 2002, DirectRevenue makes software to monitor Web surfing behavior and send targeted ads while people are at a particular Web site. For example, it might deliver a Hertz ad while a visitor is at the Web site of Dollar.

DirectRevenue acknowledges that it may uninstall competing applications in its user license agreement: "You further understand and agree, by installing the software, that the software may, without any further prior notice to you, remove, disable or render inoperative other adware programs resident on your computer."

It also makes Web game applications or other such software, including a plug-in to keep track of U.S government atomic time, so that people are enticed to download a bundle of applications that includes its adware. The company's software is identified by several different names including A Better Internet, BI, Twaintek and Thinstall, according to the complaint.

Industry experts said the charges reflect a wider trend, as makers of stealthy software downloads increasingly target and uninstall rival applications once their own programs are downloaded on a user's PC.

Because many such programs are designed to track consumer behavior online to deliver targeted ads, ridding a user's PC of rival applications could mean more revenue or prove helpful in avoiding detection down the road.

DirectRevenue did not immediately return calls for comment. In a posting on DirectRevenue's Web site, the company said its software is not spyware, or software that collects personally identifiable information for nefarious purposes.

Avenue Media, based on the island of Curacao, did not respond to an e-mail request for comment.

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What I see here is this: If Avenue Media (flying croc I believe) wins this case, it will create a precedent that can than be used against them.

i.e.: If it is ruled that software cannot modify a user's computers/settings/programs, it will set a nice precedent to go against Avenue Media and the other spyware.

Nickatilynx · 12-08-2004

What sextracker and Bodey , that lot?

I think Meat and aga has an issue with them too.

Don't know the details of it though.

SykkBoy · 12-08-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile@Dec 8 2004, 10:54 AM
Caribbean-based ad company

not sure why, but everytime I see that, I see "a company operating offshore because what they are doing is shady under US law" but I'm sure I'm wrong...

corvett · 12-08-2004

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_...t-Optimizer.com

nice alexa ranking

Lord Aga · 12-09-2004

Yep... Flying Croc /Avenue Media were redirecting all traffic meant for our sites to thier sites.. We have tons of video / tech evidence against them as well as written Affidavits from ex employees telling us how they did it.. and all about thier offshore activities etc.

Just waiting for the right time to hit them

can only sue so many people at one time!

Winetalk.com · 12-09-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Aga@Dec 9 2004, 04:07 PM
Yep... Flying Croc /Avenue Media were redirecting all traffic meant for our sites to thier sites.. We have tons of video / tech evidence against them as well as written Affidavits from ex employees telling us how they did it.. and all about thier offshore activities etc.

Just waiting for the right time to hit them can only sue so many people at one time!

and I still know NUTTING, and this si MORE than I really wanna know on THAT subject, Rich...people die from less knowledge
;-))))

Opti · 12-10-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile@Dec 9 2004, 01:54 AM
What I see here is this: If Avenue Media (flying croc I believe) wins this case, it will create a precedent that can than be used against them.

i.e.: If it is ruled that software cannot modify a user's computers/settings/programs, it will set a nice precedent to go against Avenue Media and the other spyware.

rofl.. that would be sweeeeeeeet irony

12-08-2004	#1
DrGuile french with welsh tendancies Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,007	http://news.com.com/Adware+cannibals+feast...ml?tag=nefd.top Companies that use free software downloads to target Web surfers with annoying ads are turning on each other to keep customers--and the cash they generate--for themselves. The tactic is in the spotlight in a little-noticed legal dispute unfolding in Seattle. Caribbean-based ad company Avenue Media last month accused New York-based DirectRevenue of using competing software to detect and delete Avenue Media's Internet Optimizer program from its customers' computers. According to the Nov. 24 complaint, DirectResponse's software detects Internet Optimizer and then sends a command to "kill" the program, a process that deletes its files from the PC registry and from the computer altogether. Avenue Media said DirectRevenue's tactics have caused it to lose about 1 million customers--about half its installed base--and as much as $10,000 a day in revenue. "DirectRevenue, knowingly and with intent to defraud, exceeded its authorized access to users' computers...by automatically uninstalling Avenue Media's Internet Optimizer upon installation or update of DirectRevenue's competing browser," according to the complaint, which was filed in a district court in Seattle. Avenue Media's lawsuit offers the latest twist in the tangled and sometimes seedy tale of programs--known as adware, malware or spyware--designed to deliver advertisements from an all-seeing and sometimes inextricable place on the PC. Though there are many useful applications for the desktop and the Web, the industry associated with it is much like the Wild West, with no real rules or self-regulation, and can taint even responsible companies. Legal experts said Avenue Media's lawsuit is important because, if the charges hold up, it may shed light on the rights of software makers when it comes to changing users' personal PC settings. The suit also could turn up the volume on the outcry from consumers and privacy watchdogs over the plague of spyware and malware applications online. "Once the computer is infected with 10 different unwanted programs, the person is likely to take some action to address the situation," said Ben Edelman, a researcher at Harvard University. Edelman says he has recorded instances of DirectRevenue's software uninstalling Avenue Media's program. "Assuming you could get away with this, it could be highly lucrative." Founded in 2002, DirectRevenue makes software to monitor Web surfing behavior and send targeted ads while people are at a particular Web site. For example, it might deliver a Hertz ad while a visitor is at the Web site of Dollar. DirectRevenue acknowledges that it may uninstall competing applications in its user license agreement: "You further understand and agree, by installing the software, that the software may, without any further prior notice to you, remove, disable or render inoperative other adware programs resident on your computer." It also makes Web game applications or other such software, including a plug-in to keep track of U.S government atomic time, so that people are enticed to download a bundle of applications that includes its adware. The company's software is identified by several different names including A Better Internet, BI, Twaintek and Thinstall, according to the complaint. Industry experts said the charges reflect a wider trend, as makers of stealthy software downloads increasingly target and uninstall rival applications once their own programs are downloaded on a user's PC. Because many such programs are designed to track consumer behavior online to deliver targeted ads, ridding a user's PC of rival applications could mean more revenue or prove helpful in avoiding detection down the road. DirectRevenue did not immediately return calls for comment. In a posting on DirectRevenue's Web site, the company said its software is not spyware, or software that collects personally identifiable information for nefarious purposes. Avenue Media, based on the island of Curacao, did not respond to an e-mail request for comment. -------------------------------------------------- What I see here is this: If Avenue Media (flying croc I believe) wins this case, it will create a precedent that can than be used against them. i.e.: If it is ruled that software cannot modify a user's computers/settings/programs, it will set a nice precedent to go against Avenue Media and the other spyware. __________________ LiveBucks / Privatefeeds - Giving you money since 1999 Up to 40% Commission! 25% Webmaster Referal

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corvett Members Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 97	http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_...t-Optimizer.com nice alexa ranking __________________ CCBill

12-09-2004	#5
Lord Aga Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 56	Yep... Flying Croc /Avenue Media were redirecting all traffic meant for our sites to thier sites.. We have tons of video / tech evidence against them as well as written Affidavits from ex employees telling us how they did it.. and all about thier offshore activities etc. Just waiting for the right time to hit them can only sue so many people at one time! __________________ Netpond.com Affiliate program - get paid to post!

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12-08-2004	#2
Nickatilynx Banned Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Vancouver Canada Posts: 15,115	What sextracker and Bodey , that lot? I think Meat and aga has an issue with them too. Don't know the details of it though.