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Was in 1969 when in certain parts of the U.S., when they did the Top Hits for the Year, The Archies Sugar Sugar was #1 with the Stones Honky Tonk Woman number 2
It was if the entire decade became void of all meaning in one second....... h34r:
Originally posted by sarettah@Nov 26 2004, 03:32 PM Was in 1969 when in certain parts of the U.S., when they did the Top Hits for the Year, The Archies Sugar Sugar was #1 with the Stones Honky Tonk Woman number 2
It was if the entire decade became void of all meaning in one second....... h34r:
I bought that fucking record for my sister!!! ahahahahahahaha
Helter skelter in a summer swelter.
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter,
Eight miles high and falling fast.
It landed foul on the grass.
The players tried for a forward pass,
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast.
Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune.
We all got up to dance,
Oh, but we never got the chance!
`cause the players tried to take the field;
The marching band refused to yield.
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?
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There we were all in one place, a generation lost in space (woodstock)
With no time left to start again
So come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack Flash sat on a candlestick (jaegger)
'Cause fire is the devil's only friend (sympathy for the devil)
And as I watched him on the stage my hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in hell could break that Satan's spell. (HA at the stones concert)
And as the flames climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died. (beatles broke up)
And I do think Jaegger is the devil.
He once refused to rent me his house "Stargroves" in Mustique.
Bastard.
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 26 2004, 08:58 PM what was revealed????? ...1969...
There we were all in one place, a generation lost in space (woodstock)
With no time left to start again
So come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack Flash sat on a candlestick (jaegger)
'Cause fire is the devil's only friend (sympathy for the devil)
And as I watched him on the stage my hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in hell could break that Satan's spell. (HA at the stones concert)
And as the flames climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died. (beatles broke up)
And I do think Jaegger is the devil.
He once refused to rent me his house "Stargroves" in Mustique.
Bastard.
the Stones concert was Altamont - total disaster. Supposed to be another Woodstock type event that was a tragedy and closed the door on the 60's
I sincerely believe that song is the finest crafted song ever
The allegory and lyrical imagery are amazing
and I can really get behind the story
Music did die, no more raw sounding guitar (Chuck Berry style), no more sock hops, slow dancing in the gym and that's before I even get to do-wop or all the things that went with that space in time
Who could dance to Sargent Peppers?
Fucking Beatles killed Rock-n-Roll
Plus the world changed in the 60's. Some said for the better, I don't know
Very much like Nirvana (and Pearl Jam - fucking whiny wanker bastards) killed rock-n-roll again
Used to be Sex, Drugs and Rock-nRoll
it changed to AIDS, Crack and Techno
Cool story on the house Nick
The angel born in hell could also be Jagger
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It seems that people either fall into the Stones camp or the Beatles camp...
Some of the Stones camp liked Lennon but most seemed to hate McCartney, the Beatles camp seemed to love McCartney and some loved Lennon.
Myself, I think they all had more talent in their pinky then I have in my entire body....
McCartney plays a ton of instruments, can write some good lyrics and has a decent voice. He also plays a kick ass Bass.
Lennon was a phenomenal Lyricist and played a pretty good guitar and some pretty nice pianer.
Mick and the Stones can still rock with the best of them.
I was a big fan of both groups. I never got to see the Beatles play live together, but I have seen McCartney 2 or 3 times and the show he did was very reminiscint of the Beatles, played mostly Beatles tunes both shows.
I've seen the Stones about 10 times and was not disappointed on any occasion.
Probably my top 3 picks for (so far) all time top groups are The Beatles, The Stones and Pink Floyd and not necessarilly in that order. It would depend on my mood at any certain time.
best Concerts I've seen were Floyd, McCartney ('92) any of the Dead concerts and The Stones at Arrowhead (I think '94)
Damn, I am running through Concerts in my head right now...lol...so fucking many of them.......
Originally posted by sarettah@Nov 26 2004, 07:15 PM It seems that people either fall into the Stones camp or the Beatles camp...
Some of the Stones camp liked Lennon but most seemed to hate McCartney, the Beatles camp seemed to love McCartney and some loved Lennon.
Myself, I think they all had more talent in their pinky then I have in my entire body....
McCartney plays a ton of instruments, can write some good lyrics and has a decent voice. He also plays a kick ass Bass.
Lennon was a phenomenal Lyricist and played a pretty good guitar and some pretty nice pianer.
Mick and the Stones can still rock with the best of them.
I was a big fan of both groups. I never got to see the Beatles play live together, but I have seen McCartney 2 or 3 times and the show he did was very reminiscint of the Beatles, played mostly Beatles tunes both shows.
I've seen the Stones about 10 times and was not disappointed on any occasion.
Probably my top 3 picks for (so far) all time top groups are The Beatles, The Stones and Pink Floyd and not necessarilly in that order. It would depend on my mood at any certain time.
best Concerts I've seen were Floyd, McCartney ('92) any of the Dead concerts and The Stones at Arrowhead (I think '94)
Damn, I am running through Concerts in my head right now...lol...so fucking many of them.......
My fav concerts. Pink floyd in about 1970 the Gardens Vancouver...oops mind fog on date as in many. Yardbirds Kerrisdale arena vancouver. Velvet Underground retinal circus vancouver, Jimi Hendrix, Vancouver The Beatles Empire Stadium Vancouver, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, many many times. Fleetwood Mac Blues Band, the Gardens Vancouver....now I am lost in a pschedelic haze....there were many more
The Grateful Dead in '67 - less than 2000 people in a National Guard Armory
B.B. King in '68; also saw the Amboy Dukes, the MC-5, and Bob Seeger with Fleetwood Mac (long time before the girls started playing with them).
The Band in July of '69 - Mr. Zimmerman showed up (also in 69 was the Who, Jefferson Airplane, BTO, and Frank Zappa). Also went to see Merle Haggard in 1969 - it was the first thing I thought of when I heard the David Allen Coe song with the line about the bikers "starin' at the cowboys who are starin' at the hippies who are prayin' they get outta here alive")
I saw a lot of concerts in 1970, 1971, and 1972, but .... uh ... well ... I do remember seeing CSNY somewhere in there, as well as Zappa (again), the Dead (again), Airplane (again).
While I was stationed in Maine I saw Boston when they were still playing the bar circuit, and Springsteen & The E Street Band in a club about 9 months before Born To Run was released, and then again about a year later.
Johnny Paycheck in the enlisted men's club in Rota, Spain in 77, while "Take This Job And Shove It" was starting to hit the charts (he cancelled the rest of the tour). Actually, due far more to several blonde babes from Texas that I was working with at the Comm Center, I went out and got drunk with him and his band. He does a piss-poor version of "Ring of Fire" in Spanish, if you ask me.
You got'cher Beatles fer your head, and yer Stones fer your feet. Actually, the peak of the Beatles was Rubber Soul. Don't get me wrong - in their time I loved Sgt. Pepper, Mystery Tour, and the White Album, but unlike most of the Stones stuff, it didn't age nearly as well.
McCartny wrote cute lyrics, but they were pop, not rock. He was the most effectively marketed of the four after they broke up.
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"You're either a Beatles man or an Elvis man"
"You can like both but you have to like one more than the other"
"I'm an Elvis man"
(paraphrased from a scene cut from Pulp Fiction between Mrs. Mia Wallace and Vincent Vega )
and I'm an Elvis man myself
Ah ha ha about the Mars bar story
I knew the Mars bar story was credited to a Jagger thing but liked to work it in here
There is no denying the Beatles were very talented but I don't care for them musically at all (even though Back in the USSR was the first song I ever heard use guitar distortion on purpose). Comes to guitar players I prefer Harrison to Lennon
Ennnn ... if you mean McCarthy was (one of the) the most successful songwriters of the last century commercially, maybe so (How commercially successful was Micheal Jackson?) but for me it leaves me limp - except for some of the early Wings stuff (Medicine Jar, Soily, Jet and so on). I mean think about "Silly Love Songs" - need I say more, let's not even consider "Ebony and Ivory"
As for concerts, I've seen a lot of great shows
Saw Guns-n-Butter in a club that held 2,000 before they were famous and you could walk right up to the stage,
Saw Zeppelin (even though I'm not a fan), The Stones, Zappa. More shows that I can recall. Somewhere I have a ridiculous stack of concert stubs dating back to 1976 - Couldn't have paid me to see a Dead show
About the only person I haven't seen that I would like to see is David Bowie
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I like the oldest Elvis stuff, but sometime shortly after he got out of the Army he got stuck in a rut (or was pushed into one by Parker).
But that's usually true of MOST artists for me ... I tend to like them when they are young and hungry. A few (Dylan & Sinatra come to mind) can evolve/reinvent themselves into something just as creative, but most folks lose it once they get "there."
Saw Bowie (Ziggy Stardust tour, I think). Interesting, but not really my cup of tea.
Always wanted to see Lou Reed.
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PD - agree with you, for some reason it seems many artists early work is my favorite (Example - the first 3 Springsteen albums)
Have a rough theory - it's may be they had more time to create material, (who knows how long an artist was playing in clubs before they released their first record) lot of opportunity to refine their work (even though it may have a raw feel and edge to it - which can be a good thing) and have a larger variety of songs to record and choose from for the early records
Plus the artist may be more hungry so to speak and not go into the studio under pressure just to get a new product out
Would have really wanted to see Bowie on the Ziggy Stardust tour, that was groundbreaking work
As rough as they sounded (part of the appeal) would have wanted to see the New York Dolls live too
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Originally posted by Vick@Nov 27 2004, 01:38 AM PD - agree with you, for some reason it seems many artists early work is my favorite (Example - the first 3 Springsteen albums)
Have a rough theory - it's may be they had more time to create material, (who knows how long an artist was playing in clubs before they released their first record) lot of opportunity to refine their work (even though it may have a raw feel and edge to it - which can be a good thing) and have a larger variety of songs to record and choose from for the early records
Plus the artist may be more hungry so to speak and not go into the studio under pressure just to get a new product out
Good thoughts, Vick. Have to agree with you there.
One more thought, that follows yours ... the first few albums they're reflecting on their life before ... by album four, their "life" for the past several years has been tours, travellling, hotel rooms, etc ... and no longer a "real" or at least no longer an ordinary life ... so there's less "meat" for them to write about ... they start writing about their changes, or writing about their writing (singing about their singing) ... There's just less depth of experience there to "mine".
As for Bruce, I have to say I enjoyed the Tunnel of Love album a lot. Having fallen into that star trap and marrying a pretty Hollywood starlet (who I believe was very shallow) and having a bad marriage and divorce, that suffering made for a nice album full of raw emotion, anxiety, hurt, doubt, betrayal. Whereas later, while I was happy Bruce got back to things, married a compartively normal, down-to-earth "Jersey Girl", the tunes, while still enjoyable, have lacked something comparitively.
Vick... Bowie put on a hell of a show... Ziggy, Diamond Dogs, ect... great theatrical performances for the times...
Genisis doing 'The Lamb' back then was pretty increible....
Saw Cream in a small venue in the 'Disreali Gears' era
Saw The Who do Tommy in the same small venue....
One of my favorite shows was The Tubes... people shake their heads at me when I mention that tho.... seeing 'White punks on dope' was interesting to say the least...
SuperTramp doing Crime of the Century, when they were little known was a great show... till they went commercial with 'breakfast...
While this thread is about the 60's.... 71-72 was a great year for shows.... The Who, Doors, Stones, Yes, Floyd... all within a couple months of each other...
Of course, while I KNOW I attended them all... the details are somewhat 'fuzzy' about the performances... ;-)
Dravyk - good point about the change in lifestyle for an artist.
Still think "Greetings from Asbury Park" is an amazing piece of work
John Mellencamp has done something sort of similar to what you describe with "Tunnel of Love", really believe to fully appreciate John Mellencamp you had to have been around the block a few times
fatbaby - I had forgotten about what a great show Genesis puts on
Sad thing is first time I saw Yes they played outdoors during the day
Never saw the Tubes but heard they were very interesting live
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Originally posted by Vick@Nov 27 2004, 05:34 AM Dravyk - good point about the change in lifestyle for an artist.
Still think "Greetings from Asbury Park" is an amazing piece of work
John Mellencamp has done something sort of similar to what you describe with "Tunnel of Love", really believe to fully appreciate John Mellencamp you had to have been around the block a few times
fatbaby - I had forgotten about what a great show Genesis puts on
Sad thing is first time I saw Yes they played outdoors during the day
Never saw the Tubes but heard they were very interesting live
i was at the last concert atr the sone pony in asbury park.
i was also there when the wallflowers played and bob a\nd bruce joined them on stage. quite a moment
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 26 2004, 10:20 PM I like the oldest Elvis stuff, but sometime shortly after he got out of the Army he got stuck in a rut (or was pushed into one by Parker).
But that's usually true of MOST artists for me ... I tend to like them when they are young and hungry. A few (Dylan & Sinatra come to mind) can evolve/reinvent themselves into something just as creative, but most folks lose it once they get "there."
Saw Bowie (Ziggy Stardust tour, I think). Interesting, but not really my cup of tea.
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