We are at war! This is why we are fighting.

[Mike AI]

I know its old, but we need to stay focused on why we are fighting.


I doubt many networks show the actual planes crashing into the WTC

http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html

[Mike AI]

SEPTEMBER 11 REMEMBERED
September 11, 2001 wasn't the beginning of this war. In fact, fundamentalist Islamists had been making war on the United States for years, with the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, the attacks on our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 (which was intended to topple both towers, but failed), all the way back, in some sense, to the seizure of the U.S. embassy in Tehran back when Jimmy Carter was president. For all those years, they were at war with us, but we largely ignored it.



But September 11, 2001 was when we woke up, and realized what was going on. When people talk about the 1,000th casualty in Iraq, it's worth remembering that we had 3,000 casualties in a single day, in America, and that terrorists want to do much, much worse.

It's a war. Reasonable people can argue about how to go about waging it. But -- as someone who thinks that when you're at war, the war is the thing that matters most -- what bothers me about John Kerry is that he doesn't really seem to think we're at war at all. He's said a lot more about his four months waging war in Vietnam than he's said about how he'd spend four years waging war with people who want nothing more than to kill Americans in large numbers. That's my big problem with Kerry, and judging by the polls it's a problem that a lot of other people have, too.


J. Scott Applewhite / AP
Kristen Breitweiser, right, whose husband Ron died in the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks at the World Trade Center, joins Mary Fetchet of New Canaan, Conn., who lost her son Brad in the Sept. 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center, Stephen Push of Washington, who heads Families of September 11, and whose wife died on American Airlines Flight 77.
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Whenever people point this out, the Kerry campaign charges them with "politicizing" 9/11. I don't think so. I think it's a matter of priorities, not politicization. But if that's what it is, so be it. Better to politicize it, than to ignore it, or forget it. Or, as some people even want us to, lose it.

Here's what Lee Harris wrote, in his book Civilization And Its Enemies:

Forgetfulness occurs when those who have been long inured to civilized order can no longer remember a time in which they had to wonder whether their crops would grow to maturity without being stolen or their children sold into slavery by a victorious foe.
...
They forget that in time of danger, in the face of the Enemy, they must trust and confide in each other, or perish.

They forget, in short, that there has ever been a category of human experience called the Enemy. And that, before 9/11, was what had happened to us. The very concept of the Enemy had been banished from our moral and political vocabulary. An enemy was just a friend we hadn't done enough for -- yet. Or perhaps there had been a misunderstanding, or an oversight on our part -- something that we could correct. And this means that that our first task is that we must try to grasp what the concept of the Enemy really means.

The Enemy is someone who is willing to die in order to kill you. And while it is true that the Enemy always hates us for a reason -- it is his reason, and not ours.

Too many people have forgotten that. Or worse, they've decided that the real enemy is George W. Bush, even to the point of desecrating 9/11 memorials with anti-Bush slogans.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3395977/

[cj]

Mike ... the anniversary of 9/11 appears to have made you more angry and eager to fight, but I feel increasingly the opposite ...

sometimes its more important to stop and realize that human life is more valuable than political business.

i'm just getting so tired of politics, and fighting, and guns, and 'he started it mummy' while more people get killed for us to get more angry about and kill more people in retaliation.

everything you copy/pasted supports good guys and bad guys theory ... 'we' never did anything but take care of 'them' and 'they' just bombed us with aeroplanes out of nowhere for no reason!

The Enemy is someone who is willing to die in order to kill you. And while it is true that the Enemy always hates us for a reason -- it is his reason, and not ours.

turn this around ... its equally accurate when applied to 'us' from 'their' perspective, only they are the ones with flattened cities.

[Menace]

Nice CJ!

The world is full of bad guys trying to portray themselves as good guys.

War is the way of ignorant people who are steeped in traditions that don't work.

War over there, up there, in here, on our own streets.

Small minded, easily threatened people pointing fingers and making other people wrong is no way to create peace. (I'm NOT talking about you Michael - I mean in general)

Hey Iraqi, hey fatso, hey smoker, hey person of a different color or religion or sexual preference, fan of a different sports team or any other nonsense manufactured reason DIE because I'm not willing to accept you because that's what my forefathers did.

War can't happen if people stay in their own yards and mind their own damn business. It's rediculous to search for who wronged who first and when, our history doesn't keep the kind of records necessary to go back far enough to make this practice valid.

With society creating more laws to make more people wrong, it's very likely that things will get way worse before the world wakes up and does the right thing to make things better.

Honor the dead from 9/11, honor the dead in Iraq, but don't forget to honor us, the living too.

[RawAlex]

No matter how hard they try to bleach they black hats, they are never white, just ugly shades of grey.

Mike, the canadian networks show the planes going into the buildings. We are not shy of the truth. All the truth.

Alex

[Rolo]

You do not always pick your own battles, however you do pick how to fight them. That is why even democracies have armies ready to go to war.

How to fight a war is never a good vs. bad situation - war is always a balance between two evils - destruction and sacrifice - and the more you fight, the more destruction and sacrifice you will be willing to accept. So war is evil - war is a downward spiral for modern civilization, but again we do not always pick our own battles - only how to fight them.

[OldJeff]

If that is the reason we are fighting, then why are we in Iraq which had nothing to do with it.


"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01


"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02


The only thing 9-11 means to this asshole is one more thing to exploit to gather votes for re election.

Fucking Disgrace the way he is shitting on the memory of those that died.

[Rolo]

I agree that the Iraq war has little to do with the reason behind the 9/11 attack (ofcourse the terrorist did use the situation in Iraq and others places to justify their actions), however 9/11 did cause a new US military doctrine change from the Clinton "reaction" to Bush "preemption", since you can not fight terrorists by waiting for them to strike first, and then do a "reaction". So, if 9/11 had never happende, then Bush had not had a reason to change the US military doctrine, and the war in Iraq would had to be sold on only the "reaction" doctrine (ex. Saddam did not follow the UN resolutions etc.).

Now was Iraq a mistake? I do not think so - if Saddam had been in power today, then Osama would still be able to use the UN sanctions against Iraq as a reason to hate the US - Saddam would probably also be trying to use the weak US policy to damage the US intrests (ex. expanding the idea on petro-euros instead of petro-dollars) etc. but I´m guessing, and so do everyone who think that Iraq was a mistake - no one knows what would have happende, its more constructive to look at the future...

The same goes for Osama.. we can blame Bush for not getting Osama, but it doesn´t change the situation about Osama today... we need to know which President is most likely to do the things we want in the future (and here is my problem with Kerry - his visions for the future are drowning in the "anti bush" rhetoric).

[Mike AI]

Lets all gather around and sing kumba-ya.

I am sure our enemies will join us, and then we can make some herbal tea, and
discuss our issues out!

[Menace]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 11 2004, 12:26 PM
Lets all gather around and sing kumba-ya.

I am sure our enemies will join us, and then we can make some herbal tea, and
discuss our issues out!

LOL!

I hope within your lifetime you can see the humor in the narrow view you learned by eagerly watching politicians jerk each other off and the media that's more than generous regurgitating any twisted lie you're willing to accept as gospel.

If you sincerely believe that the answer to stupidity and murdering innocent people is MORE stupidity and murdering innocent people, I pity you.

Remember the quote, "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"? Our country has learned the names and dates, but not the lessons. Look beyond what your shown and you may someday be introduced to a life that's richer than the fear, hatred, anger and prejudice you currently live thanks to the "no spin" brand of reality you're apparently subscribing to.

Maybe if enough people you love are killed due to the poor decisions of our leaders you'll choose to think more independently and stop blindly following those who aren't bright enough to lead you in the first place. Hopefully, it won't come to something so drastic for you to realize there are other options than repulican or democrat, bombs or flowers, and black or white.

You thought outside the box enough to choose porn as a venue to make money and you've been successful with it. Imagine the freedom you'd experience on a personal level if you applied the same quality of thinking to your life and the world you live in.

"kumbaya" and love to you sweetheart,
-Dennis

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Menace+Sep 11 2004, 02:07 PM-->