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JR, Serge, you would be more correct if the jury in this thing was nothing but french nationals, but alas, that is not the case:
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There are actually three juries at Cannes, but the one that counts is the one that decides who will receive the prestigious Palme d'Or for best feature film. This year's panel will be chaired by Quentin Tarantino, who won the Palme ten years ago for Pulp Fiction and returns to the Croisette hot from the success of Kill Bill Volume 2. "It's a dream come true to be the President of the Cannes jury," he says. "I've always considered Cannes the pinnacle of world film-making, and to go there ten years after winning the Palme d'Or is terrific." Quentin will be joined by a trio of actresses from the US, France and Britain (Kathleen Turner, Emmanuelle Béart and Tilda Swinton), plus Belgian director Benoît Poelvoorde and Hong Kong action supremo Tsui Hark. British actor Tim Roth will chair the Camera d'Or panel, which recognises the best first film screened at the festival.
So you have two brits, two americans, a chinese, a belgian and one single french actress.
Location may cause the effect, I guess...
One sided chat boards are for.... you know the rest ;-)
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Joe, no judgement here. I am only looking at the reactions and the comments made by people who have seen it, and I am commenting on those things. The Palm d'or is a pretty big prize in the movie business worldwide, one of the few truly international / multicultural / multilingual contests.
Mr Moore's film certain seems to be evoking very strong reactions on all sides, which is VERY interesting.
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I can't wait to see this film
and when it shows how Bush took care of the Saudi's and Bin Laden's family, after 9/11
maybe some of you right wingers will reconsider your BUSH
Originally posted by RawAlex@May 22 2004, 04:34 PM JR, Serge, you would be more correct if the jury in this thing was nothing but french nationals, but alas, that is not the case:
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There are actually three juries at Cannes, but the one that counts is the one that decides who will receive the prestigious Palme d'Or for best feature film. This year's panel will be chaired by Quentin Tarantino, who won the Palme ten years ago for Pulp Fiction and returns to the Croisette hot from the success of Kill Bill Volume 2. "It's a dream come true to be the President of the Cannes jury," he says. "I've always considered Cannes the pinnacle of world film-making, and to go there ten years after winning the Palme d'Or is terrific." Quentin will be joined by a trio of actresses from the US, France and Britain (Kathleen Turner, Emmanuelle Béart and Tilda Swinton), plus Belgian director Benoît Poelvoorde and Hong Kong action supremo Tsui Hark. British actor Tim Roth will chair the Camera d'Or panel, which recognises the best first film screened at the festival.
So you have two brits, two americans, a chinese, a belgian and one single french actress.
Location may cause the effect, I guess...
One sided chat boards are for.... you know the rest ;-)
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Hey Buff, Bush & his intelligence team have been shown to be full of lies too (you like all those WMD that got taken in Iraq?).
Don't be a sheep.
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This film isn't like Moore's.... it may present a political viewpoint like Moore does.. but this film backs what it alleges up with a lot of facts.. facts that haven't been disputed that I am aware of... Just covered up.
Anyone that sees the entire thing.. American or not.. can't help but be left open mouthed... it isn't hype at all.... and it's far more shocking than anything I have ever seen or heard from Moore.
When I first saw it my first impulse was to try and get a copy of it to every American I knew... I hope a few of you Buy It and watch it
Of course he won. The only chance he would have lost is if they would have released a movie of a group of 15 arabs urinanting and deficating on photos of Bush dressed in Nazi garb.
It is all about targeting to your audience.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 01:31 AM Of course he won. The only chance he would have lost is if they would have released a movie of a group of 15 arabs urinanting and deficating on photos of Bush dressed in Nazi garb.
It is all about targeting to your audience.
It is hard to argue it is the type of film normally picked for the Palm Dor.. but at least winning that award will ensure Disney's attempt at politcal censorship is well and truely stifled.
Like his film or not.. it has to bad for America that anyone in power thinks it is "right" that Moore's film should not be shown.
I am not debating the right if the movie should be shown or not. The gov't certainly should not make that decision.
If a private company decides not to show it, that is NOT censorship that is business. We all make these type of decisions every day.
What plays big to liberal & european elites does not always score well with US audiences.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 01:44 AM If a private company decides not to show it, that is NOT censorship that is business. We all make these type of decisions every day.
I don't think this washes when it comes to a large corporate distributing a film.
Particularly when the motivation appears to be fear of consequences from government.
Anyway, like you say thats not the point of your thread..
Did you know of that Panama Deception film? The way the media worked to mis-inform the population in that war should alert any American to take great care with gagging anyone wanting to put a view forward at a time like this.. it's too late to say "we were deceived" and stop the errors later.
Originally posted by Mike AI@May 23 2004, 10:31 AM Of course he won. The only chance he would have lost is if they would have released a movie of a group of 15 arabs urinanting and deficating on photos of Bush dressed in Nazi garb.
It is all about targeting to your audience.
You have got to be kidding me.
Do you think the only people in that audience were liberel elite and dirty european scum who want to rule the United States?
So when do you go to work for the Bush administration in their public relations department?
9/11 boom
crash
tell bush
he keeps reading and listening to 5 years for 7 more minutes
oh boy, ok
whats up boys
oh al quaida? bin laden
hold on
bin laden family is in US
ok fly them out
all planes grounded?
get them off US soil
ok, now lets go after SADDAM
he might have wmds?
really?
ok use that
go with it
get the marketing chick from NYC
anyone see the fingerbang episode on south park?
bush reminds me of the mall manager
confused, 'what?" oh "what?"
Sykky, you have to fogive Mike, not only does he appear to have drunk the koolaid, I suspect he is making a fresh batch... just to make sure.
Mike, read back up the page. two americans, two brits, an asian, a belgian, and a french national were the jury for this award. Come on, come up with a better answer than that sorry "liberal" tag you like to toss on everything.
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Mike, who exactly are you referring to when you say 'elites'?
I hear this word from right-wingers a lot, and all I can infer from it is that you mean educated people. Are right-wingers opposed to education? If 'elite' isn't referring to educated people, who is it referring to?
Mike, what an amazing series of postings. Jingoism at it's finest. Down with everyone else, up with us. Everyone else is wrong, we are right.
Come on. You gotta have something more than empty slogans and backhanded dismissals.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@May 23 2004, 12:55 PM Sykk how do you think the people at the cannes film festival would react to you?
After I create my masterpiece of cinema, I would hope they would welcome me with open arms ;-)
Not sure which script I want to try to get produced: the World War II soldiers trapped in a bunker with ghosts or the hasbeen musician trying to get his career back on track and finding out he has a daughter he didn't know about
is there a political message to what is being called a "documentary"?
yes?
no?
If yes, how would any normal person expect that political message to be recieved in Cannes, France?
Is Bush popular in Europe? In France? The US? Is Bush popular in Hollywood?
I think it is quite ok to agree with the movie and its content. I think it is retarded to play stupid and act as if it is just "one more movie" with no particular message that was chosen for top honors because... uhm... hmmm... now that i think about it... why exactly was it chosen? Tremendous directing? What makes a "documentary" the best film of the year? cool re-inactments? great sets? perfect costumes?
Were you guys making the same rediculous arguments when Wag The Dog was given the Best Film Of The Year honors in Yugoslavia at the time NATO was bombing Serb troops in Kosovo? You did not see a "possible" connection? It was not maybe... possibly... just maybe somehow politically motivated? Maybe people were likely to agree because it sent a message they believed in? maybe? is it possible?
JR, none of us have seen the movie, so no idea. It's moot anyway. Mike has dismissed the cannes award as basically a bunch of stupid anti-american french communist cafe sitting losers thumbing their noses at Bush.
What can I say?
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"Fahrenheit 9/11" Wins Top Prize in Cannes
May 23, 2004
Friends,
Hello from Cannes! I’m sure by now many of you have heard the good news—“Fahrenheit 9/11” has won the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival. It is the first time in nearly 50 years a documentary has won the Palme d’Or (the Golden Palm).
Myself and twenty-six members of our crew are here in Cannes and we are in a state of shock. None of us expected this. First came the critics’ reviews on Monday (The New York Times called it my best film ever), then the audience reaction at our premiere (a 20-minute standing ovation, a new all-time record for the festival), the International Federation of Film Critics Award on Friday, and then the best film prize last night. It’s all been an incredible week for us and I can’t wait to get back home and show you all this wonderfully powerful film we’ve made.
No, we still don’t have a distributor in America as I write this but after winning the world’s top film prize I’d give it about one more day (if that) before we have someone brave enough (and smart enough) to show Americans what the world can already see (Albania, this week, became the final country—other than the U.S.—to sign on with a distributor).
I am still hoping for a July release (4th of July weekend?) both in the U.S. and around the world.
I fully expect the right wing and the Republican Party to come at me and this film with everything they’ve got. They will try, as they have unsuccessfully in the past, to attack me personally because they cannot win the debate on the issues the film raises—namely, that they are a pack of liars and the American people are on to them. And, if the early screenings of “Fahrenheit 9/11” are any indication, those who see this movie will never view the Bush administration in the same way again. Even if you already can’t stomach George W. Bush & Co., I think this movie will take you to places you haven’t gone before, with laughter and with tears.
I will let you all know—as soon as we have a distributor—the date the film is opening. Until then, check out some of the articles that have been written, and check out the awards ceremony from Cannes.
P.S. When you hear the wackos on Fox News and elsewhere refer to this prize as coming from “the French,” please know that of the nine members of the Festival jury, only ONE was French. Nearly half the jury (four) were Americans and the President of the jury was an American (Quentin Tarantino). But this fact won’t stop the O’Reillys or the Lenos or the Limbaughs from attacking the French and me because, well, that’s how their simple minds function.
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Originally posted by RawAlex@May 23 2004, 01:25 PM JR, none of us have seen the movie, so no idea. It's moot anyway. It's moot anyway. Mike has dismissed the cannes award as basically a bunch of stupid anti-american french communist cafe sitting losers thumbing their noses at Bush.
you are probably right to evade a losing argument and pass it off to Mike
Originally posted by Opti@May 23 2004, 01:27 PM
P.S. When you hear the wackos on Fox News and elsewhere refer to this prize as coming from “the French,” please know that of the nine members of the Festival jury, only ONE was French. Nearly half the jury (four) were Americans and the President of the jury was an American (Quentin Tarantino). But this fact won’t stop the O’Reillys or the Lenos or the Limbaughs from attacking the French and me because, well, that’s how their simple minds function.
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you know, i watched Fox News a few times recently and i was a little shocked by the fact that a lot of what they say and how they say it borders on hate speech.
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Originally posted by JR@May 23 2004, 04:15 PM you guys keep ignoring a simple fact...
is there a political message to what is being called a "documentary"?
yes?
no?
If yes, how would any normal person expect that political message to be recieved in Cannes, France?
Is Bush popular in Europe? In France? The US? Is Bush popular in Hollywood?
I think it is quite ok to agree with the movie and its content. I think it is retarded to play stupid and act as if it is just "one more movie" with no particular message that was chosen for top honors because... uhm... hmmm... now that i think about it... why exactly was it chosen? Tremendous directing? What makes a "documentary" the best film of the year? cool re-inactments? great sets? perfect costumes?
Were you guys making the same rediculous arguments when Wag The Dog was given the Best Film Of The Year honors in Yugoslavia at the time NATO was bombing Serb troops in Kosovo? You did not see a "possible" connection? It was not maybe... possibly... just maybe somehow politically motivated? Maybe people were likely to agree because it sent a message they believed in? maybe? is it possible?
JR
of course the movie was political, but a point you seem to miss, is this showing at Cannes has fuckall to do with how France as a whole feels about us. If this had recieved the same ovation at Sundance, would you have said "well, of course, Utah hates the US, of course they loved it there"?
The location had little to do with it. Hell, maybe the film was actually good and fired people up. That's what good movies do. They get people talking and start dialog and conversations. Maybe this is why it won moreso than a bunch of fatcat liberal elite judges trying to piss of MikeAI an Bill O'Reilly?
Is Bush popular in Europe? In France? The US? Is Bush popular in Hollywood?
where is Bush popular then? The deep south?
JR, what do you think the southern states know that east coast USA, west coast USA and the rest of the world doesn't? What is it about Bubba in Alabama that makes you trust his judgement more than the collective opinion of the rest of the globe?
Is it his education? His extensive world travel and appreciation for other cultures? Maybe the shining progressive history of the southern man and how he's always been proven right in the course of time
Let me ask you again Mike: Who are the elites? What defines that term?
Originally posted by SykkBoy@May 23 2004, 01:46 PM
JR
of course the movie was political, but a point you seem to miss, is this showing at Cannes has fuckall to do with how France as a whole feels about us.
OK... lets be realistic here. I am not saying that people ONLY like it because of France and how France feels but i think it would be extremely ignorant to say it plays ZERO role. What role would the fact that it is Iran if we show "I hate Isrealies, an objective look at Jewish History" at their film festival? zero? I think thats a little naive.
It has to play a role. Politics plays a role. Partisan politics plays a role. European/US politics plays a role. Liberal/Conservative plays a role. We are not robots you know.
I fail to see how any objective look at the situation could not suggest that the deck might be stacked against US/Conservative/President Bush/War in Iraq/War on Terror politics at Cannes, France
Originally posted by JR@May 23 2004, 04:54 PM
I fail to see how any objective look at the situation could not suggest that the deck might be stacked against US/Conservative/President Bush/War in Iraq/War on Terror politics at Cannes, France
why? why is the deck stacked against the conservatives and Bush? Why is this administration hated all over the world?
Is it because Bush is so beautiful and the rest of the world is jealous?
Someone's got to give JR half an inch here.... the bloody film is obviously a strange choice for that award... I agree the award is a political statement of sorts.. but does it matter? People have been moved to make a statement either way.
Originally posted by Opti@May 23 2004, 05:00 PM Someone's got to give JR half an inch here.... the bloody film is obviously a strange choice for that award... I agree the award is a political statement of sorts.. but does it matter? People have been moved to make a statement either way.
I've given JR plenty of rope, and so far I've found out that educated people are nefarious evil 'elites', I should shut up and trust the government not to abuse their police power, everybody the world over hates George Bush for no reason, and truck drivers from Alabama are the best, brightest and smartest people in the world.
Giving the film an award helps to embarass Bush, the US and give Moore some credibility. It is simple as that. I promise you this is a huge reason it won the award.
If Moore made a comedy about cops, or a romance movie based in Africa, he would not have won anything. Infact what happened the past 20 year's in Cannes for other Moore films?
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Originally posted by Mike AI@May 23 2004, 05:05 PM Giving the film an award helps to embarass Bush, the US and give Moore some credibility. It is simple as that. I promise you this is a huge reason it won the award.
If Moore made a comedy about cops, or a romance movie based in Africa, he would not have won anything. Infact what happened the past 20 year's in Cannes for other Moore films?
and the world is against you? They were all waiting to stick it to Bush and award Michael Moore because Moore is better looking?
Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 08:05 AM Giving the film an award helps to embarass Bush, the US and give Moore some credibility. It is simple as that. I promise you this is a huge reason it won the award.
I agree... and Moore will look very anti-American this time if it is shown he messes with the truth the way he did with Bowling for Columbine. Either way he is going to make a small fortune out of it now.. By 4th of July the expectation could make it the biggest opening film ever.
I wonder if cedibility of the story was a factor in the panel's award decison.
It will be interesting to hear the outcry if a Tarantino connected company picks up US distribution now
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