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Originally posted by Trev@Mar 9 2004, 09:51 AM Either way it was a stupid fucking idea then and now!
While I am not sure where it started, I personally liked the idea of TGP reform. I am not big into TGPs but I notice the traffic seems to be getting worse.
The concept of TGP2 made sense. I knew it would fail just becaue the nature of the industry and those at the bottom rungs of it ( as well as those who have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are)
Personally I think people don't have much forsight!
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I didn't delve into TGP2 much, but from what I could tell the main obstacle was getting listings on the main TGPs. Traffic is king and if you can't get traffic to your gallery.....and the ones who did list them usually put them under their own category. After a couple of views the surfer quickly realizes they get fewer pics with TGP2 and stops even looking at the galleries.
Didn't Dragon King come up with the idea a year or so before it was formally named TGP2? I recall sending him hits to something if not exactly TGP2, incredibly similar. IIRC, he DID announce it on Netpond.
Colin my old buddy is right, it did indeed start at GFY in a July thread started by Andy.
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Yes Tgp2 is very much alive and well. I've been with it since the begaining.
We are not as vocal about it on the boards as we use to be.
On traffic, sure we are still not seeing the numbers like the tgp sites but it is getting better day by day.
One of our sites http://tgp2traffic.com gets 11k to 30k plus a day and has just had its 3.6 million gallery view last week. There are over 90 Tgp2 sites that use the Tgp2 Traffic rotator and is still growing. The galleries used by the gallery rotator are pull from http://tgp2gallerypool.com after they have been reviewed. Theres about 7k of galleries at any one time with over 60 niches.
We also buy traffic to put into the tgp2 system out of our own pockets. We do retain a high level of bookmarkers also.
With Tgp2 you don't really have to have the huge numbers in traffic to make a sign up. Voltar did a study a while back comparing tgp and Tgp2 gallery conversion and found that Tgp2 galleries can convert at 30 times higher then tgp galleries. Yes that is not a typo, 30 times.
My personal best is 1:25 convertions.
The Tgp2 WebRing is still up and running but no longer has the 400 sites it did have.
With Tgp2, the term "Less is more" still stands true. If it didn't work then we wouldn't have spent almost 4 year doing it.
Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 9 2004, 09:12 AM Didn't Dragon King come up with the idea a year or so before it was formally named TGP2? I recall sending him hits to something if not exactly TGP2, incredibly similar. IIRC, he DID announce it on Netpond.
Actually, in a way it did start a bit earlier then that July thread on gfy. If anyone remembers Amateur Pages use the supply thier webmasters with ready made galleries that only used 5 pics and the thumbs lead to html pages.
I'm not really sure about Dragon King. I don't remember anything about it.
You're right on the Dragon King thing though it died and TGP2 started over a year later without DK's project in mind. I'd say it was an evolutionary dead end as far as any contribution to TGP2.
As far as Amateur Pages, ok, well not even they invented 5 thumb galleries with pics on HTML pages. TGP had many variations. We can toss all kinds of things into mix.
TGP2's history pretty clearly starts on July 25 at GFY in the same way that World War II history begins with Hitler's annexation of Austria. It's not perfect but damned close.
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Originally posted by Colin@Mar 9 2004, 09:58 AM As far as Amateur Pages, ok, well not even they invented 5 thumb galleries with pics on HTML pages. TGP had many variations. We can toss all kinds of things into mix.
TGP2's history pretty clearly starts on July 25 at GFY in the same way that World War II history begins with Hitler's annexation of Austria. It's not perfect but damned close.
I seem to remember TGP2 as an alternative to the CJ's when that zero content format crumbled. That was pre-GFY if I remember correctly. TGP2 was a hybrid of CJ's and TGP's. Some content then we fuck em instead of fucking them right off the bat.
Originally posted by Bishop@Mar 9 2004, 10:02 AM I seem to remember TGP2 as an alternative to the CJ's when that zero content format crumbled. That was pre-GFY if I remember correctly. TGP2 was a hybrid of CJ's and TGP's. Some content then we fuck em instead of fucking them right off the bat.
Well someplace a long the line it ended up that way. Many supported the cj way and many others such as myself didn't.
Today most Tgp2 sites play it straight. Most don't use skim. The ones that do use a very very low.
Now don't get me wrong. We do have 3 or so traffic hub sites that feed the Tgp2 system. But they are so mild on the skim I don't even think you could call them cj2.
I thought it was Colin, not Voltar, that found click-thrus being 30% higher on TGP2 galleries? Hrmm.
The only reason it didn't make it to the "big time" is because TGP owners were still fighting each other to have the most pictures so they'd get more traffic.
Nowadays the ones with sense are limiting the number of galleries they show, if not the number of pics as well.
But truly the TGP owners don't care. They're not there to make sales or make sure the webmaster makes sales. They're there to sell gallery listings and banner placements. They could care less if a signup sale gets made somewhere along the line.
TGP2 always was and still is a good idea. 5 softcore pics. Make them pay to see the stuff they *should* be paying for. If by some miracle you could get all of the TGP owners to switch over to it at once, you'd see signups coming in like crazy. But the only way that's going to happen is if the gov't steps in and says no hardcore.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 9 2004, 10:34 AM I thought it was Colin, not Voltar, that found click-thrus being 30% higher on TGP2 galleries? Hrmm.
The only reason it didn't make it to the "big time" is because TGP owners were still fighting each other to have the most pictures so they'd get more traffic.
Nowadays the ones with sense are limiting the number of galleries they show, if not the number of pics as well.
But truly the TGP owners don't care. They're not there to make sales or make sure the webmaster makes sales. They're there to sell gallery listings and banner placements. They could care less if a signup sale gets made somewhere along the line.
TGP2 always was and still is a good idea. 5 softcore pics. Make them pay to see the stuff they *should* be paying for. If by some miracle you could get all of the TGP owners to switch over to it at once, you'd see signups coming in like crazy. But the only way that's going to happen is if the gov't steps in and says no hardcore.
Carrie, I'm sure Colin did. I'm just not aware of it. The Voltar one was a more rescent one.
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 9 2004, 01:34 PM I thought it was Colin, not Voltar, that found click-thrus being 30% higher on TGP2 galleries? Hrmm.
Many people found many different things. Every site is different.
Remember this was a LONG time ago. TGP2 started in July of 2001. I was only involved for a few months.
If I remember correctly, my click through-ratios were 6x (!!) higher than regular TGPs. Sign up ratios didn't mean much to me because I used pay per click and "email sponsors".
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go look at the bottom on that page "friends of shok"
those were the original tgp2's back in may 99.
Yeah Sykk, I thing we used another term other than tgp2, but it escapes me at the moment.
Wow! Major flashback Shok! I remember your site.. I ran one of those sites.. and yeah it was called something else I think.. that is why the tgp2 thing seemed a little alien to me.. I can't remember what it was either.
I remember it was either you or someone else who made an auto-submitter for these sites.. I can't remember who it was or what the script was called.. do you know what I'm talking about?
NATGPs??. From Dragon King (of FlashCash) comes New Age TGPs. The idea is basically to teach surfers, there ain't no such thing as a good free site. It's the notion of a reversed-TGP, namely instead of TGPs being the place for surfers to leech and sponge and NOT join a pay site, have gallerys of no more than ten pics, tons of banners, show the surfer the really SHOULD go purchase a pay site membership. There are about a dozen such NATGP's now, with this being the cornerstone. Check it out!
Damn.. I personally feel things would be much better if people followed the TGP2 model but you have to bow to the reality of the biz as it is somethimes.
Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Mar 9 2004, 04:41 PM Damn.. I personally feel things would be much better if people followed the TGP2 model but you have to bow to the reality of the biz as it is somethimes.
The post owners control the business model.
As I said before if you want to try TGP2 again....pornmo.com
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Originally posted by OzKaNoz@Mar 9 2004, 09:43 AM Colin my old buddy is right, it did indeed start at GFY in a July thread started by Andy.
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Yes Tgp2 is very much alive and well. I've been with it since the begaining.
We are not as vocal about it on the boards as we use to be.
On traffic, sure we are still not seeing the numbers like the tgp sites but it is getting better day by day.
One of our sites http://tgp2traffic.com gets 11k to 30k plus a day and has just had its 3.6 million gallery view last week. There are over 90 Tgp2 sites that use the Tgp2 Traffic rotator and is still growing. The galleries used by the gallery rotator are pull from http://tgp2gallerypool.com after they have been reviewed. Theres about 7k of galleries at any one time with over 60 niches.
We also buy traffic to put into the tgp2 system out of our own pockets. We do retain a high level of bookmarkers also.
With Tgp2 you don't really have to have the huge numbers in traffic to make a sign up. Voltar did a study a while back comparing tgp and Tgp2 gallery conversion and found that Tgp2 galleries can convert at 30 times higher then tgp galleries. Yes that is not a typo, 30 times.
My personal best is 1:25 convertions.
The Tgp2 WebRing is still up and running but no longer has the 400 sites it did have.
With Tgp2, the term "Less is more" still stands true. If it didn't work then we wouldn't have spent almost 4 year doing it.
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So tgp2 movemet is not dead yet.
OkaNoz do you think it would be worth while for a noob to get involved with?
What about someone has been in the game for awhile playing normal tgps?
Please accept my apologizes if I came off as confrontational.
Colin, are you writing some kind of history or something?
OkaNoz do you think it would be worth while for a noob to get involved with?
What about someone has been in the game for awhile playing normal tgps?
Please accept my apologizes if I came off as confrontational.
Colin, are you writing some kind of history or something?
No not dead yet. I think its great for newbies and old timers both.
I do think newbies should try tgp also just to see for themselves the difference in convertion and click thru ratios.
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Hey no problem, no offence taken. I'm not nearly as anal about Tgp2 as I use to be.
Colin had a big part in Tgp2 and did many good things for it so he does know his stuff when it comes to Tgp2. I do remember it being more then a few months tho. Back then Colin and I didn't always see eye to eye on things but I still respected him and we were friends.
hehe, TGP hate thread...gee how unusual.
i wonder if any sponsors give out free hardcore content?
maybe free hosted galleries, maybe even free hosting?
Originally posted by the Shemp@Mar 9 2004, 05:14 PM hehe, TGP hate thread...gee how unusual.
i wonder if any sponsors give out free hardcore content?
maybe free hosted galleries, maybe even free hosting?
Originally posted by the Shemp@Mar 9 2004, 08:14 PM hehe, TGP hate thread...gee how unusual.
i wonder if any sponsors give out free hardcore content?
maybe free hosted galleries, maybe even free hosting?
Shemp biz is biz. If I was in your shoes I would not change anything.
Everyone has to do what is in their best interest. Do you have any TGP2 sites or anything? What do you think of the idea?
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TGP is a function of the economy of our industry. Since the dot bomb blew up bandwidth has been cheap with lots of vacancies in some very nice data centers that were built up during the boom. Meanwhile it's tough to get traffic. So what's the easiest way to do it? Give shit away for free.
Current adult internet economy is such that if you're smart and work TGP you can make enough margin even on shitty conversion rates to make bank.
TGP2 and similar efforts will never replace TGP under current conditions. Try it with server rates at 1997 levels....it wouldn't work. However, I only see bandwidth rates falling further.
Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Mar 9 2004, 05:55 PM TGP2 and similar efforts will never replace TGP under current conditions. Try it with server rates at 1997 levels....it wouldn't work. However, I only see bandwidth rates falling further.
Hehe, who ever said we were trying to replace it? Those days are long gone and so far seem to be co-existing just fine.
I don't think any of my Tgp2 folks need to be bashing tgps. From time to time I sound like I am bashing tgp myself but I'm not really. I'm just trying to lay out the fact as they have been reported to me,
Honestly if I was in Shemps shoes I wouldn't change a thing. It works for him as a tgp owner.
I have all the respect in the world for Shemp and the Huns of the internet.
I just honestly know that there is way to much free porn floating a round the internet.
Sure free porn brings in more surfers but most are just freeloaders.
Oh, I absolutely agree. If you're making bank under current conditions, you definitely want the status quo. And Shemp is one of the best at it right now. And that's not a knock on Shemp, he's a class act, and one I'm glad to see doing well for himself.
I was explaining to my mom what TGPs were yesterday. Her response?
"Why the hell would someone want to join a porn site if they can just get it there for free?"
By George, she's got it... now if only everyone else would.
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IIRC, he DID announce it on Netpond.
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