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HAHA Seriously Lee was a pornographer, not sure what she is doing now. Last I heard she was a nun.
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Amazing the problem people have with the word itself. Lee would probably not have had a problem saying she worked in the porn business...but doesn't like the label "pornographer"...
Where do you draw the line? Are the owners of CCBill, Paycom, etc..."pornographers"? That's where they started their services. How about hosts that do exclusively adult hosting?
At what point do you officially become a "pornographer"? Shooting the content? Putting it on a webpage? Getting paid? How about just the sales reps for sponsor programs?
Lame cop-out from a straight shooter, Lee...
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Originally posted by LeeNoga@Feb 26 2004, 07:41 PM Lame you say?
Yes, I founded and onwed Zmaster from 1995-1999, and I was a pornographer who published and licensed content.
I do not have one pic of porn in my possession, I make no money with adult content, I run no free sites.
So I may work in the adult industry but I am not a pornographer currently.
Definition per dictionary.com defining pornography and pornographer.
"Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
The presentation or production of this material. "
I am not engaged in either.
I was aroused by that post, so you MUST be a pornographer Lee!
:P
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 26 2004, 04:45 PM I was aroused by that post, so you MUST be a pornographer Lee!
:P
LOL.
That makes me desirable, not a pornographer.
When your woman steps out of the shower naked after you been away for a few days and you get an erection, is she considered a pornographer because of the stimulation you experienced.
I would say not.
But.
I would say she better hop in those sheets ASAP while you still can keep it up old man :-))
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Originally posted by LeeNoga@Feb 26 2004, 08:55 PM Thanks Gonzo for taking my back.
But.
Do you really want me to take your front? :P
Serge, I am woman hear me roar! The fish are nothing but a bonus
Nah Lee...Confucy and Dianna are still fighting over it right now. I tell you what you can have the scraps when they are done. But dont get in a rush to thank me....they didnt have a slot for former pornographer or better yet content scanner.
Jack Rickard says hi!
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Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Feb 26 2004, 07:40 PM Is there such a thing as a "former pornographer"?
I think most of society would brand us as "once a pornographer, always a pornographer"....
Give my best to Jack, and BTW I never scanned the content, outsourced that....I had the laborious job os selecting the images and I was overly pickie and probably made my job alot more work than it needed to be.
But ya know....I could make one phone call and get my hands on a ton of never before seen content, and here I am.....to fearful to go back and dabble in it.
Never thought I would ever admit that, huh?
I agree that society would beg to differ and would still classify myself as a pornographer because of my ties to the adult industry. Society has no desire to accept the different fawcets, and its easier to simplify our industry and categorize anyone in adult as a pornographer :-)))
Gonzo, you letting Confucy and Dianna eat on ya front end? Mama always told me do not put in your mouth what ya cannot chew up and swallow.
Should there be a scrap left over for me, you now know what to expect :-))
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Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Feb 26 2004, 07:40 PM Is there such a thing as a "former pornographer"?
I think most of society would brand us as "once a pornographer, always a pornographer"....
thats cool, at least it would clear up any identity crisis I might experience later in life...............added bonus, I'll score all the hot grannies in the old folks home from my jazzy electric scooter!!
Whoooohooooo
In all seriousness, if Lee Noga does not want the label of pornographer thats her right. People will or will not accept her definition based solely upon their perceptions any way.
Personally, I think 'pornographers', whether they choose to be or not, are defenders of constitutional rights.
Of course there is such a thing as a former pornagrapher, as long as there are former prostiutes, former presidents, former mayors, former governors, etc.
Of course pornagraphers CAN also be businessmen - trouble with this industry is, that there were not enough of them.
Welp...I hear ya all rumbling like trapped gas in the large intestine.
If I were to say I was a pornographer to somebody they would immediately ask me for some video's, DVD or something based on their understanding of the definition.
My response would be, "Don't have no video's or DVD's, don't even have a single pic on my hard drives fer' ya".
They would no doubt grumble, "What kind of pornographer are you then? You ain't no pornographer then"
My response would be "Exactly".
Personally, I have no problem with the title, I just am not doing anything to renew that library card to make it believable.
Congrats Amber on your new job babee :-))
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If they said, "You ain't no pornographer then"...than they would be a redneck.
Lee, I bought my first legal pictures from you...several...er..., let's just say, "many" years ago - so I'll always associate you as a pornographer. And I resemble that, because of course, that's what I am.
Originally posted by Amberlita@Feb 27 2004, 07:38 AM Lee, I bought my first legal pictures from you...several...er..., let's just say, "many" years ago - so I'll always associate you as a pornographer. And I resemble that, because of course, that's what I am.
Thank you for the congrats as well!
Welp, I guess I am a pornographer that has no status in such a field, does not make the bucks to offset the lack of employability as a result of spending over a decade in the genre'.
Now what sucks is that sentence above ran on and on and that tends to crank the ass of KK who if she did not correct me I would have no use for her :-)))
Did you relocate to ARS offices?
Used to be if you did not relocate they dismissed their employees. But then again that may have been a clever ploy to release some folks.
But its 2004, and I think its time for me to get back into the porn saddle. I have had an easy 2 years, and need to be challenged....
But, don't know if I have want it takes for a come back......
What am I to do.
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The sniffing software ended up with ASACP and it was never released at a sponsor level. The natives were restless and threatened to drop any sponsor that sniffed their site.
Since sponsors tend to let their webmasters dictate their business plan, it was an opprotunity that went undeveloped and ASACP is far more sophisticated as a result.
So thats what happend with that.
I guess I will just hang around the business. I really do not see this industry ever embracing tools and innovations the way they used to.
So I guess the boards will just have to put up with me :-)))
However, I really think Lens should have brought me on the webmaster access tour as the MC, but I have not gotten in his face about this...LOL.
THATS what I love doing more than anything.....
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Originally posted by LeeNoga@Feb 27 2004, 01:43 PM However, I really think Lens should have brought me on the webmaster access tour as the MC, but I have not gotten in his face about this...LOL.
THATS what I love doing more than anything.....
Ya outta ask him....my guess is that was a one trick pony though.
Ill be surprised if that comes off in Atlanta. They dont cotton much to drunked out and drugged up 20 year olds throwing potted plants down stairwells.
APD throws that ass in jail. And they have plenty of practice with that attitude from FreakNigs past.
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I think your right, Atlanta has always had a weak attendance with city webmaster events compared to those thrown in California.
I agree the webmaster shows will be a flash in the pan and be known for more partying reasons than business. It will be interesting to see if Sponsors continue to support the events....
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Originally posted by LeeNoga@Feb 27 2004, 02:28 PM I think your right, Atlanta has always had a weak attendance with city webmaster events compared to those thrown in California.
I agree the webmaster shows will be a flash in the pan and be known for more partying reasons than business. It will be interesting to see if Sponsors continue to support the events....
Damn Lee! Was that VA Disability for your eyes?
Thats not what I said at all.
Shows down here have always been good and I made no comparison to Claifornia only to say that if the kids toss the potted tree down the stairwell here they wil go to jail.
I dont think the shows are on the way out unless your specifically talking about Internext either.
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Actually I find that webmaster shows are having less of a tolerance for drunken stupidity and partying, and are focusing much more on business than they have in the last few years. Sure there are some shows that you KNOW are just going to be one big party, but I know in Vegas I got a lot of work accomplished as far as everything goes, and a lot of other people did too.
Originally posted by LadyMischief@Feb 27 2004, 12:14 PM Actually I find that webmaster shows are having less of a tolerance for drunken stupidity and partying, and are focusing much more on business than they have in the last few years. Sure there are some shows that you KNOW are just going to be one big party, but I know in Vegas I got a lot of work accomplished as far as everything goes, and a lot of other people did too.
Agreed. This past Vegas show was great for business. The showroom floor seemed a lot slower, but I got tons of business done. I guess a lot of the "lookers" where the ones that stayed home, which worked out great.
Originally posted by *KK*@Feb 27 2004, 01:47 PM At least you didn't say fishwife.
Gonzo honey, my eyes are not my disability, my attention span is :-))))
KK, actually had somebody said, "FishWife" they would not have been cited for an innaccuracy because I do have a recently added "partner in life" who adores fishing as much as I do.
I cannot complain, I live on the water one canal from the coastal way and she has a 17 foot center console fishing boat. Morning is coffee, a chair and a fishing rod when the snook come in for feeding.
Its paradise.
I did not think I would ever recover from the collapse of my 16 year marriage but I am here to say I should have left Pat along time ago.
I think what sealed my heart was the first time my cell phone rang and my lover asked me to stop by the bait store and get some shrimp :-))))
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Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Feb 27 2004, 08:25 PM If there can be such a thing as a "former pornographer", can there also be such a s thing as "former cocksucker"?
A man builds hundreds of bridges....
This is a really good question because if I ran for local political office my ties to pornography would come up and be stated in the same fashion as its been stated in this thread.
But, I am not doing anything that can be challenged by law. So if I am a pornographer then why would I make for no challenge?
The arguement would be made concerning my connection to CECash which makes their money in pornography so by association I guess I am....
But then again, I do not possess one password to any of their sites, so am I?
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Originally posted by Billy@Feb 27 2004, 07:32 PM You know Lee since that show in Florida a LONG time ago when you grabbed Mike AI's ass in the suite he has always wanted you : )
LOL, we had some great times. Mikie and I always danced on the old NetPond flat board.
12Clicks and Mikie were the toughest on me, but thats what makes the heart grow fonder.....I remember the day he wore that yellow Hawaaian shirt and I squeezed those cheeks of his at the show suite.
Now in 2004, my biggest fans are Lord Aga and Meat, they have asked that I never mention their names......now thats a tall order because I just did.
I think they meant on their threaded board. I went over their last week and my thread was deleted ASAP, and then it was called an error, slip of a mouse. Yeah, Right.
But Meat came out and lectured me and showed me some love straight out of his asshole, so that was cool after we have endured a 1.5 year standoff and board ban on the flat board.
I guess they feared I would tear up their board.
Where would they have gotten that from? *snicker*
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Originally posted by LeeNoga@Feb 28 2004, 08:26 AM :-))))
Sorry I dozed off....
What were we talking about? Oh its good to have friend isnt it?
The special ones are those that hide in dark secret places and whisper about your well being. I love friends.
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Originally posted by LeeNoga@Feb 28 2004, 05:26 AM I cannot complain, I live on the water one canal from the coastal way and she has a 17 foot center console fishing boat. Morning is coffee, a chair and a fishing rod when the snook come in for feeding.
Its paradise.
Some go to church and think about fishing, others go fishing and think about God.
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"Bass fishermen watch Monday night football, drink beer, drive pickup trucks and prefer noisy women with big breasts. Trout fishermen watch MacNeil-Lehrer, drink white wine, drive foreign cars with passenger-side air bags and hardly think about women at all. This last characteristic may have something to do with the fact that trout fishermen spend most of the time immersed up to the thighs in ice-cold water."
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