Is this Ethical ?

[sarettah]

Ok, yesterday, screwing around I posted on sobegirl's board as "newguyintown".

He replied to me, I posted the reply in the sobechatboard thread and Timon and I got a laugh.

This morning in my email is mail from Joe at AMAcontent pushing that he has the same content as Erik and I should buy from him.

The only way Joe got to the email address that was used was to go to Erik's board and pick it up there as I created an email addy and an icq addy just for newguyintown.

So, is this ethical, to grab addys off of someone else's board and try to market to them.

My opinion is that it is not. It is imo akin to someone leaving a company, goint to work for a headhunter and then recruiting from thier old company. It happens all the time, but it is quite less than ethical.

I could look at it as Erik wronged Joe, therefore Erik and his business are a legit target of Joe's and he can go after them any way he wants, but I usually prefer to see folks try to stay on the high ground when they are in the right.

In my opinion, at this point Joe has decided to jump down into the gutter to play Erik type games.

I am in the right or just overreacting (first cup of coffee and eyes still closed...)

[Winetalk.com]

you missed the mitigating circumstances..
the guy FUCKED Ama royally...

fuck me royally and try envoking "morality" and see how far it will get you
;-)))

[sarettah]

Understood Serge...

I don't know that I would not feel thesame way in the same shoes....

Ideals sort of fade when faced with reality.

btw.. Joe, if you are out there, newguyintown won't be replying to your email. His email addy does not play well with aol addys.

[Almighty Colin]

This used to not be as much of a question in this business. Staying open to and aware of many possibilities and deals is a good philosophy as far as I'm concerned.

People can market to me anytime they wish.

colin@pleasurelabs.com

[Almighty Colin]

Oh, and please don't submit my email address to 10000 list-servs. That's too obvious and been done already.

[Cassie]

personally, i think jumping onto someone's board is a little low but then again, erik posted on his board and then stated here that he didnt even know it was there. how can you NOT know you have a message board on your own site and still post on it!

joe has a legit beef and a very legal leg to stand on especially if he takes this case to NYC. people here dont like the "fuck over" word. should it have gotten as out of hand as it did, absolutely no. does joe have every right to contact every one of eriks customers, absolutely.

i hope they can work it out cause what this has done now, is really make those who want to buy content from producers aware that proof is needed for reselling. if there was one thing i learned far before this all happen was to cover your ass. get CONTRACTS and make sure you read them. no contract, no go. you would think anyone with 2 brain cells would know that. shame it took this incident to bring it to light.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Cassie@Jun 11 2003, 10:46 AM
personally, i think jumping onto someone's board is a little low but then again, erik posted on his board and then stated here that he didnt even know it was there. how can you NOT know you have a message board on your own site and still post on it!

lololol...

I think Erik meant he didn't know the video was there.......

[Cassie]

from the sobe for the record thread:

my chat board, hmm I did not even know it was there. Yea, they drop about 100 thousand dollas worth of bombs just to kill one guy.


how can you not know your message board is there when you post on it?!?!?!

things that make you go hmmmm


btw, i dont know you sarettah but you are insanely funny. i love the way you just go for the jugular! remind me never to get on your bad side

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Cassie@Jun 11 2003, 10:46 AM
personally, i think jumping onto someone's board is a little low

If you mean my posting on Eriks board, then you are absolutely right... I am extremely ashamed of myself and think I will go sit up on the mountain until I am pure and clean again...



Please forgive me Timon for I have sinned.......

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Cassie@Jun 11 2003, 11:17 AM
btw, i dont know you sarettah but you are insanely funny. i love the way you just go for the jugular! remind me never to get on your bad side

I would take that as a complimet but I am trying my hardest to be intellectual most of the time........



(but I'll take funny in a pinch )

[Cassie]

lol now lets not go off the deep end here! i am sure there are things worth far more (like maybe stepping on an ant) to make you sit on that hill!

you did what you had to do to get answers. we all do it and sometimes to great lengths. what bothers me is how someone can lie about not knowing about having a message board on their site when they are the one who posted on it.

see, to me, its the little lies that really mean alot cause if you can lie about something so miniscule, then what they hell can you do with a big lie? christ, how difficult is it to be honest? noone, i repeat, noone can give you shit for being honest. they may not like that honesty BUT they can respect it and that means a lot in my book.

[SoBeGirl Video]

Me not knowing about my message board? I have no idea what you are talking about. I was talking about not know that the link to the bombing video was there. I still don't know where it is but Timon said it is there so I guess it is.

As far as Joe stealing emails off my message board and emailing those people, isn't that spamming?

And I did not Fuck Joe over. He fucked me. I paid him thousands for videos to sell on SoBeGirl. If I add it up over 10 thousand dollars. I did not pay this money so he can tell me what I can or cannot do with the products I purchased and they are now mine. I then spent another 10 grand processing them. And the content is not worthless. It will never be worthless as long as adult websites exist. Even if you give it away for free it still has value in one form or another.

Then he started telling me how I must run my business with the products that I paid for and I own. I told him that he must learn how to compete in a free market. I even tried to help him compete with more effectively. I offered him the use of my servers to deliver the content to his customers.

Joe was very happy to sell me the content when he needed the money. Now he is not so happy and first tried extortion to make me comply and then slander. I did not Fuck over Joe, Joe fucked himself.

But we have been over this a thousand times. Joe himself has admitted to giving me the right to sell the content, his statements are public record on GFY and I have all the paper work I need to prove it and any lawyer will tell you that as fact. The only issue is that Joe says there was a verbal contract for me not to sell some content that I OWN for less than $40 dollars.

We all know that SoBeGirl has been offering content packages for way less than $40 for a long long time. So it is ridiculous for Joe to imply that we had a verbal agreement of such when it is so obviously otherwise.

This whole thing is very simple. Joe needs to compete in a free market. I am competing with J$tyles, these guys in Hungaria, Czech Republic and Europe. They are selling good content for 5 dollars a set and less. Now Joe is resorting to hamas like tactics against me. Stealing emails off my board, and probably spending most of his time badmouthing me as much as he can. When, all he had to do was compete with me and all the other content providers who understand what is going on. I was even willing to help him.

This is the truth. I do what I have to do for SoBeGirl to survive. This is a tough time for content providers and don't believe anyone that tells you otherwise. They will do whatever they can to bolster prices so that they can charge more. They do not grasp the ubiquitous nature of the Internet.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video@Jun 11 2003, 02:33 PM
But we have been over this a thousand times. Joe himself has admitted to giving me the right to sell the content, his statements are public record on GFY and I have all the paper work I need to prove it and any lawyer will tell you that as fact. The only issue is that Joe says there was a verbal contract for me not to sell some content that I OWN for less than $40 dollars.

STOP IT ERIK

YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELF HERE

LEAVE IT BE

WE ALL KNOW THE STORY

:grrr:



Last edited by sarettah at Jun 11 2003, 02:40 PM

[sarettah]

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video@Jun 11 2003, 02:33 PM
Me not knowing about my message board? I have no idea what you are talking about. I was talking about not know that the link to the bombing video was there. I still don't know where it is but Timon said it is there so I guess it is.

Your post should have stopped at exactly this point...

No more needed to be said...........

Don't blow your second chance by trying to get your story out....



Last edited by sarettah at Jun 11 2003, 02:55 PM

[SoBeGirl Video]

Ok OK sorry, Really, Joe Who?

I do have a very short memory. To much Porro maybe?

[sarettah]

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video@Jun 11 2003, 02:51 PM
Ok OK sorry, Really, Joe Who?

I do have a very short memory. To much Porro maybe?

Exactly...........

[SoBeGirl Video]

So Srahetta, now that we are friends.... what is that you do anyway? I mean for work? Just curious to learn a little bit about you since we have become so close over the past few days.

[amacontent]

Sorry Saraette, SOBE ripped me off big time. Hes gonna tell you many stories.
I spend alot time on AOL as i have many friends there , sorry.
Still burns me he tells people he produced my shit.

[sarettah]

Since we have you both on the board here.. apparently at the same time.

Can we see what we can do to fix this maybe.

I would suggest you take it private, kiss and make up and all that, but I don't think that will happen.

Yes, Joe, Erik wronged you.
Yes Erik, Joe has said stuff that you don't think is right.

I would like a simple yes/no from each of you on whether you think this can be fixed.

No explanations, No accusations, just a simple yes/no...

If you can do that and just give the one word answer there might be hope that a whole bunch can be salvaged here.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video@Jun 11 2003, 03:01 PM
So Srahetta, now that we are friends.... what is that you do anyway? I mean for work? Just curious to learn a little bit about you since we have become so close over the past few days.

I run a content site and post under 20 different names on the boards accusing people of stuff and slandering names.....






(just kidding...)

I am a programmer by trade and a freesite builder

[amacontent]

YEs Cassie, I learned a valueable lesson on covering my ass. I learned very quickly there is no such thing as friends in this buisness as one day they are cooking you dinner in your house, and the next day they are stealing your fucking plates. I wil NEVER forgive SOBE for what he did to me. He is the one paying in the long run.

[amacontent]

NO

[cj]

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video@Jun 11 2003, 03:01 PM
So Srahetta, now that we are friends.... what is that you do anyway? I mean for work? Just curious to learn a little bit about you since we have become so close over the past few days.

friends?!
LMAO

you are such a putz erik

[sarettah]

Originally posted by amacontent@Jun 11 2003, 03:58 PM
NO

Cool enough....

Not a damn thing I can offer in any way....

Carry on.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by amacontent@Jun 11 2003, 03:47 PM
Sorry Saraette, SOBE ripped me off big time. Hes gonna tell you many stories.
I spend alot time on AOL as i have many friends there , sorry.
Still burns me he tells people he produced my shit.

He has already told stories... That is what I have been bouncing his ass off the walls for the past 4 days over....

I have not believed much of any thing in this whole debacle...

There were mistakes made on both sides and I really hope you two can work it out...

As far as I am concerned, I am out of the mix on this one and will no longer reply to threads or posts mentioning it anymore...

If you post about anything else in the world, I will gladly join in... Erik also...

I know neither of you from anything except the past few days....

I do not think it would be really fair to pass judgement on either of you based on what I have observed because I do not believe that it is either of your normal behaviour.

I am a nothing in the adult internet, so my opinion should not matter in the least.

I wish both of you good luck.