CIA investigating whether there EVER were WMDs

[JR]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 1 2003, 02:58 PM
Lying to theAmerican people is one thing... and many politicians have gotten away with it before.....

Lying to the world is another thing, but the Pres doesn't really have to report to the world...

But if Congress was lied to, and our representatives based their votes on the lies... Then that is where the shit will hit the fan... At best intefering with GW's ability to get his ideas out there as legislation and at worst leading to impeachment.....

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p..._2-6-2003_pg3_8

"On Friday the ranking Democrat on the US House of Representatives Intelligence Committee warned that President Bush’s contention that America went to war with Saddam Hussein’s Iraq to rid the country of hidden biological and chemical weapons “could be the greatest intelligence hoax” of all time. And it’s not only Democrats that are saying this. So are Intelligence Committee members from Bush’s own Republican Party"

I am still not following you.

you are suggesting that there was in fact a large conspiracy theory in the Bush Administration to remove Saddam from power under the pretext of a threat from Saddams regime... but that threat was either fabricated or overstated and the real intent all along was to simply remove Saddam?

how can that be?

1) Bush said immediately after being elected that his administrations policy towards Iraq was regime change.

2) Saddam Hussein was/is a threat to his neighbors and to his own people and was well known to have large stockpiles of various chemical and biological weapons that were unnacounted for.. and a history of both using them and hiding their existence.

i think that the suggestion that there is some big conspiracy to trick people is weak. you are still quoting sources that LOVE the words "would", "but", "could", "if", "possibly"

to prove there is a conspiracy and lie.. you have to prove a lot of things. you have to prove among other things that;

1) Saddam Hussein was known not to be a threat

2) That Saddam Hussein had been cooperating and had nothing to hide.

3) That Iraq had fully dissarmed - since inspectors repeatedly stating that Iraq was not cooperating

4) that Bush and his administration had no reason to believe that Iraq was a threat.

-you should have some strong arguments here - from what i understand there is no proof of paying Palestinian suicide bomber families 25K... he only promised he would... maybe you can work it from that angle.

5) that Bush and Co. did not believe as a matter of policy (post 9/11) that Iraq was a threat to the US but tried to fabricate the case the Iraq was a threat to the US.

and please dont forget while making these arguments that a presentation was made to the UN Security Council about the threat that Iraq presents afterwhich Resolution 1441 was voted on and won by a vote of 15 to 0 and all members agreed that HE WAS A DEFINATE THREAT and IT WAS HIS LAST CHANCE TO COMPLY "FULLY, COMPLETELY, AND UNCONDITIONALLY"

So you are not really saying that Bush lied to Congress. You are saying that dozens of members of Bushs administration lied to Congress, to the UN and to the world. You are saying that Britain, Spain and others did the same. You are saying that the 15 members of the UN Security Council were all either tricked by the Evil Dubya OR, they are in on it too. The conspiracy is pretty massive for no one being able to prove it exists right? so many liars and so many lies....

What you are saying or suggesting that Bush lied. i dont object to that at all. Maybe he did... prove it. Not with conspiracy theories.. but with facts. Not with partisan mud slinging, suggestions and vague accusations... but with facts.

What i object to is to you calling me an idiot by telling me that i was lied to in order to get my support for removing Saddam Hussein. I know what Iraq was. I know what Saddam was. I know the history of Saddam, of the UN, of 12 years of failed sanctions and failed attempts to dissarm him. I know the UN is a failure in effectively dealing with these things. I know what terrorism is. I know what can happen when 20 motivated people with box cutters can do with 4 commercial jets... so its pretty horrifying to think about 1000's armed with a few kilos of small pox or VX gas. Had the UN put their seal of approval on Iraqs dissarmorment, i would have not have cared very much. But when after 12 years, they are still frustrated by their failures due to the defiance of the Iraqi regime... i thank God that someone had the balls to take action.




Last edited by JR at Jun 1 2003, 11:26 PM