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I see a lot of sponsers are offering hosted galleries for tgper's. Are they working/profitable for your program? I've talked to some sponsers and the opinions have been mixed. I'm just curious what other people that run programs and offer this have to say.
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Hosted galleries can definitely be worth it. The problem with some of the hosted galleries I've seen is that they are put together worse than the ones I've seen from TGP newbies.
Gallerymaking is an artform and what works one day doesn't always work the next day, but the days of a banner- 5 pics - a banner - 5 pics type galleries are long over and this is what I see from some of the sponsors offering hosted galleries. A good gallery should be like a full page ad. It needs to grab the attention and sell the site before sending the surfer to the site. The advantage of offering hosted galleries for sponsors is that they can control the advertising message. say they want to change prices or not even mention pricing on the galleries, they can do it without the webmasters having to worry about going back and changing their galleries. I really want to spam here, but I should probably wait until we have the new portfolio designs up 
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SkyyBoy is right, hosted galleries are like one page tours they need to look good to work well. Hosted movie galleries are getting more and more popular as well. For the most part, we look to break even, or come out slightly ahead, on the initial joins. By the time you add up productions costs, BW, and affiliate payouts there is often not much left over. It is on the rebills where they pay off. There is also the "getting your program seen" aspect. Even without joins, many webmasters see your program, check it out and begin promoting, so it is just as much as way to promote your affilate program as it is to get joins.
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I dunno why we don't just cut checks to the resellers and say fuck all to them even bothering to send traffic
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I HATE the "having to look like FPA" trend that has come.
I still maintain the only thing that should be "pretty" is the paysite/AVS you are sending them to. The fact that they want everything pretty and clean only keeps hurting the biz. |
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I thought TGP's were supposed to die out... seems like they are only getting stronger. More sponsors seem to be relying on TGP traffic than ever before.
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Would be nice, if paysites had lower payout for signups send via hosted galleries (like the lower payout webmasters get from console free tours)... that way the extra bandwidth cost would not be added to the cost per member at paysites (ex. $35 payout + $X bandwidth + $X content)... I fear that added cost for paysites would lead to more complaints about shaving... However if paysites lower their payout for signups via hosted galleries, then they will find a new way to get more income.
TGPs sending traffic to these hosted galleries are not used to earn full payout on their old gallery spots, so paying full price to them is given them the idea that bandwidth and content has no cost. The Hosted Galleries should be about getting more money from the same ammount of surfers (like Sykkboy said using them as full page ads or 1 page tours) - not adding cost to the paysites.
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Monk, I think TGPs are the only free sites really left.
The industry is consolidating.... the middle class webmaster - the one who ran nice free websites, a link list or 2, and maybe a few AVS sites are gone. There are only the poor and the rich for the most part. We are heading to a industry where you either run a program, or play the TGP game.... You do not even see much SE work done.... Everything is TGP and programs.... top and bottom.....
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TGPs will first die off when paysites moves to the next level in their internal marketing and cross selling... however even then TGPs will still be around, and they will earn their pennies from surfers doing donations to keep them alive
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If the ad is clever/effective enough, the surfer barely notcies the thumbs but sees the whole message and with the TGP gallery looking similar to the tour, it keeps the continunity and synergy, which can result in better traffic. (I can't believe I used the "s" word )Actually, what hosted galleries will do is eventually kill off the small TGP submitters...as TGP owners use the hosted galleries on their TGP's and only take a handful of submissions from othr webmasters. I think we'll start seeing new hybrids of sites that aren't just standard porn sites, rather full adults only entertainment sites. ever notice the growing trend of strip clubs to now have restaurants, sports bars and Monday Night Football nights? Full Adult Entertainment Package for better or for worse, it seems like strippers are almost an after thought......damn, now I'm depressed.........
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Something I have learned in the last little while is integration - not having all the thumbs in a single block, but spreading them out and putting promotional stuff where surfers would normally expect to see free stuff - so rather than 4 rows of 5 thumbs (example) you might replace two thumbs with a small banner, etc... squeezing text between rows, and generally ASKING for the sale - moving the surfer forward where you can.
The big TGPs are doing okay right now listing sponsor galleries, but I think that the "sameness" problem is going to get them, the same way it has gotten to the 4 panel tours.... once people have seen the same galleries in the same layouts a few days in a row, they will run and move on to something else. Right now TGPs have the upper hand on pure volume, but that will play out. I also think that programs aren't ready for the costs associated with the hun moving to all sponsor galleries... imagine a smaller program getting 20-30 million tgp hits a day (looking at 10 pics each, that is 300 million pictures a day) that don't convert - that can start to cost ya... It is a transitory situation - anyone want to guess where it is going? Alex
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TGP's are not going anywhere. Sponsor hosted galleries need to be used in combination with user submitted or other daily updated content to be effective.
More than 700+ webmasters have created TGP pages using my system in the last 45 days. TGP has matured to a new level, it's the paysites that need to adapt to take advantage of that. The old style TGP is out the door already. It's only a matter of time before the site owners realize they are dinosaurs. |
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Darin, you just posted the answer already...
with 700+ new tgps in the last 45 days, at that rate there will be 5000 new ones from your system alone this year... all using the same sponsor galleries, etc... the surfers will figure it out soon enough... they will get bored with the same stuff on every other site. Alex
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and we all know the majority of traffic is in bulk mailing |
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Hey we got a new Anon! We had a vacancy so welcome Anon
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I think you have to have Hosted Galleries for the same reason Plugger suggests, it's a service, if most of the other programs have them then you gotta provide them too or the 'appearance' that your program is falling behind and not doing everything it can for webmasters is out there.
Free content, free galleries, free hosting, pretty soon it will be free paysites given away complete with members area, in return for the exit traffic. |
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But will paysites really want to make thousands of new galleries each and every day, provide design/bandwidth/content for free, and then pay the TGP owner $35 per signup? The math doesn´t add up. Pay the TGP owner $15-20 per signup from Hosted Galleries, and paysites will be able to make this work for both the TGP owner and Paysite.
Nothing is free, someone got to pay the bill, and in old days with tgp submiters, then they paid for the design/bandwidth/content - not the paysites (yes, we know about free content and free hosting provided by paysites, but most of this was lowend and either the free host was banned from the tgp or the content was so overexposed that everyone had seen it 10 times before and it didn´t get listed). Would it be any different with Hosted Galleries delivered by paysites - the same costs, but now TGP owners can take part of profit from traffic, and not just give it away for free. How many paysite owners would like to pay $35 for a signup from ex. Russia, which came from a hosted gallery, where the paysite also paid for the design/bandwidth/content.... No matter how much volume you make and costs get lower, then this will be a bad deal... pps paysites will start to filter off the bad converting countries, and webmasters start to see even worse conversions and complain about shaving etc. I would expect conversions to fall atlest 40%, if all paysites had hosted galleries, where they paid top dollars per signup, and also paid for the design/bandwidth/content. Hosted galleries is a great concept, but the current payouts by most paysites are to high, and if they continue then it will have a negativ effect on both paysites and tgp owners.
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An Anon with the sense of Irony.... scary stuff!! :P
Rolo, hosted gallries are no big deal. IT might eat a little bandwith, but with BW prices dropping they are not a major factor in expense. The money to create great gallaries, abd the dubuios signups from them might be more of an issues. We have looked into the idea.... but like everything dealing with TGP and such it gets blown out and destroyed quick. As I said the middleclass webmaster for the most part have been pushed out of the industry. IT is now the TGP players, and then programs. Most TGP guys are happy to make a few grand a month, its better then flipping burgers at McDonalds.... so they will continue to push the limit more and more, adding more and more garbage and devalueing traffic. Oh and ANON - you are very right about Bulk Mailing - it is the way a majority of programs get their best traffic.... Everyone mails now... I personally get over 120 porn spams a day... which is pretty scary. WHich is worse, I get more in non-adult....
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That line of thought might be true if there were a limited number of galleries ... say 100 or so but there are thousands of galleries for the surfer to sift through including movie galleries - no reason for a surfer who wants free to ever purchase |
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I'm bumping this because although I can't really contribute at this time, I've been following the topic and am quite interested in different opinions....
Soooooo, Keep talking dangit! :P |
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Would like to add to the statement I made above
There will always be those who are willing to pay (and some who will overpay) for a product or service, key component being perceived value to the buyer (think flying first class) and again the other side of that coin being there are those who will not pay, especially when they feel enough product/materail is available for free As for TGP dying out - they are like the gold prospectors working a 4 inch sleuth Not much return on the investment but with cheap BW the only cost is time and those playing TGP don't have a better use of their time for generating revenues Is it profitable for the program owner to host the galleries Would say marginally so for the time being - if it wasn't there would not be as many hosted galleries as we see offered Last edited by Anonymous at Feb 9 2003, 07:56 PM |
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Thats the point. The whole idea of TGP is to convert them to a paying customer, not offer them vast amounts of new free porn. Last edited by Darin at Feb 9 2003, 08:16 PM |
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Whoever is not offering hosted galleries is simply missing out on a lot of potential traffic. Bandwidth prices are not an issue if your system is built efficiently. |
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lmao this is so far from the truth i am not sure where you get your info from ... not much se work done?! not many webmasters with 1 or 2 link lists?! er, i mean yes, this is true ... every one with a paysite should focus on tgp traffic and i'll take the crappy se and link list left overs 
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