Are ccbill sales down for everyone?

[sunfunbill]

There have been some talk on different forums about how strange sales from ccbill have been lately. I know mine are way, way down the last few weeks.

Some sponsors are looking for other payment processors, they are that upset with ccbill. Has anyone else here been noticing strange swings in sales from ccbill?

[RawAlex]

I have seen a few discussions around about how bad the last couple of weeks have been all over the place.

There is plenty of speculation, including that the World Cup is eating into sales (as people spend less time online for porn, more time online for, well, football).

My personal opinion is that at different times, cc processors hit a wall for various reasons, including chargebacks and the like. They have to work hard to remain in their windows, and as such, they sometimes have to turn the fraud detection up to 11, trying to avoid any chargebacks during a period.

There has been plenty of shakeout as a result of Visa stopping cross billings of sorts, and also issues with offshore Visa acquiring banks. I can't help but thinking that the processors are busy trying to cough up a major hairball on this one.

All speculation, as none of the processors would admit anything at any time.

[gonzo]

I blame 12clicks.

[DannyCox]

We use a few different 3rd party processors and it all seems cyclic, without regard for the individual processor at all. based on traffic flow, we still get a slightly higher percentage of sales through CCBill than the others.

But I haven't seen a slow down the last few weeks, things have been very static the last few months for us. Not saying things are great, just "static"

[tony404]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

We use a few different 3rd party processors and it all seems cyclic, without regard for the individual processor at all. based on traffic flow, we still get a slightly higher percentage of sales through CCBill than the others.

But I haven't seen a slow down the last few weeks, things have been very static the last few months for us. Not saying things are great, just "static"

static is a good word that how ours has been. its hitting my bottom acceptable number every month but that's not the number I want to be at.

[Ebus_dk]

1 - ccbill declines a excessive high % surfers outside the US/Canada/UK
2 - trafficleaks are getting bigger and bigger on CCbill based sites
3 - IE8 and most of the other latest browsers, paired with modern Antivirus/malware, BLOCKS the ccbill tracking, so the commision arent tracked to your affiliate account, even IF it should convert to a sale.

I have been saying this for years, and ccbill keep saying they are tracking just perfect, but its simply NOT true.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Ebus_dk

IE8 and most of the other latest browsers, paired with modern Antivirus/malware, BLOCKS the ccbill tracking, so the commision arent tracked to your affiliate account, even IF it should convert to a sale.

Do you have proof? The sizable CCBill check I get weekly says you're wrong.

[Ebus_dk]

Originally Posted by Toby

Do you have proof? The sizable CCBill check I get weekly says you're wrong.

Proof of what? try it yourself if you dont belive me.

Use the private filter in IE8, Private Browsing in Firefox, or install Trend Micro Internet Security Pro 2010 and watch how much commision you get from a sale tough one of your links CCbill.

Good luck

[Toby]

Private browsing doesn't prevent sales tracking, so long as the user buys during that same session. Once he closes the session all tracking cookies are deleted so if he returns via a bookmark the affiliate won't get credit. This isn't specific to CCBill, but is true across nearly all affiliate tracking models.

Over 70% of my income is CCBill programs and about 35% of my site visitors are using IE8. I'm not seeing any significant drop in sales to support your claim.

[Ebus_dk]

Originally Posted by Toby

Private browsing doesn't prevent sales tracking, so long as the user buys during that same session. Once he closes the session all tracking cookies are deleted so if he returns via a bookmark the affiliate won't get credit. This isn't specific to CCBill, but is true across nearly all affiliate tracking models.

Over 70% of my income is CCBill programs and about 35% of my site visitors are using IE8. I'm not seeing any significant drop in sales to support your claim.

Try it, and then get back to me - ok?

I would advice you to implement a data intelligence strategy, if you dont already have one. Then you might see what % of the sales are produced through the first session generated by a specific user.

And then try a similar sale through a NATS4 install

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Ebus_dk

Try it, and then get back to me - ok?

I already have, when I first heard about private browsing well over a year ago.

I've been at this more than a day or two. I took my first computer course 33 years ago, have a bachelors degree in Computer Science and have been making a living from online adult since 1998.

I'm not saying that some loss of sales tracking isn't happening, but not on a scale that would be responsible for the declines people are crying about.

As for implementing a "data intelligence strategy", how do you think I was able to tell you what percentage of my traffic was using IE8?

[Ebus_dk]

Originally Posted by Toby

As for implementing a "data intelligence strategy", how do you think I was able to tell you what percentage of my traffic was using IE8?

Since you are only able to tell me the % share of the surfers, and not the share of the sales, I would say your source is not data intelligence, but rather superficial serverstats.

Belive what you want. its your loss

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Ebus_dk

Since you are only able to tell me the % share of the surfers, and not the share of the sales, I would say your source is not data intelligence, but rather superficial serverstats.

Belive what you want. its your loss

If you think you can track which sales came from which surfers then you're crazier than I thought. Once the surfer leaves your own pages any kind of user specific tracking is hit and miss at best.