Weight Loss?

[OldJeff]

Lost about 50 lbs a year ago by going ultra low fat for 4 months and giving up Pepsi.

Weight has not really gone up, but is shifting around, need to get exercise now, so going out to buy a bike today and going to start riding, live in a great neighborhood for it, could go for miles with all kinds of terrain and not have to deal with traffic.

I do however refuse to become one of the Lance Armstrong wannabes on the road around here, main roads clogging traffic, piss me off.

I really think that weight loss that works varies a lot from person to person - so many people swear by Atkins, and avoid carbs, I lost my weight eating pasta 3 days a week, go figure.

Aly is the amazing one over here, gave up smoiking in Feb and never had a single slip, started working out at the beginning of summer and is doing a strong hour of cardio 3 days a week, and different workouts the other 4.

[Peaches]

Jeff, you and Aly both look mahvelous! You've taken it off and kept it off - quite a feat!

[Raven]

Originally Posted by JR

1) i am not wrong.

2) i am not annoyed. if you need to believe what you believe to keep going thats great. but a poor understanding of what you are doing will be hurtful in the long run when weight loss slows/stops and like most, you will get depressed and feel a sense of hopelessness the first time you eat some sugar and gain 10 pounds and think you gained fat, not realizing that it is water. water that your body would be holding anyway under normal conditions.

3) 15 pounds of water is still 15 pounds of water. the goal is to lose fat. there is no point to dehydrating yourself and calling it weight loss when you will gain it all back by simply drinking fluids. the net fat loss will still be zero in the end.

read up a little on ketogenic diets. there is better information available losing weight by inducing ketosis in body building articles about CKD's (cyclical ketogenic diets) and TKD's (targeted ketogenic diets) than about atkins. if you really want to understand the mechanics of ketosis, read "The Ketogenic Diet" by Lyle McDonald - which is as of to date, the most comprehensive source of information on the matter. atkins and others do not talk much about the physiology involved simply because there are few studies on ketogenic diets and most of what is known comes from studies in using these diets to control epilepsy in children.

i would love to debate the issue all day, but i fear it would fall on deaf ears. i have read the books. read the studies, and i spend 5 days a week in the gym and consider myself fairly well informed on the subject.

4) losing 12 pounds of fat only in 10 days would require a caloric deficit of over 3600 calories per day which is not likely. right now i eat 2200-2500 cals a day at 5'10" and 240 pounds and my BMR is around 2200. that would mean i would have to eat zero and then run for an hour and a half every day to achieve that. if you know anything about basic physiology and exercise science, you would know that you cannot lose fat that fast without losing significant muscle mass as well. your heart is also a muscle. most who do achieve this level weight loss (unless they are morbidly obese) cause significant damage to their heart. thats why it is always recommended that safe weight loss should be around 1-2 pounds per week.

Even with a medical background, I fought it...when I first started. If I hadn't started crying, I do believe my trainer was going to kick me out, even though I was paying him. I was that difficult.

I wanted to lose the initial weight fast..I was a great believer in modified Atkins....low to no carbs, since I felt that was the cause of all my problems...which it wasn't...

I wanted to tone muscle and improve my metabolism and I simply could not wrap myself around the reasoning for losing the weight gradually.....and I do mean gradually.....one pound a week when I've got fifty to lose....is slooooooooooow.....what I didn't realise is I would be losing body fat....and toning muscle, which tightens and strengthens....

One of the biggest side benefits I received....was no more occupational hazard pain......I had sciatica....from an old back injury and sitting wrong in my chair for hours on end...mouse shoulder, all right sided pain..and constant. Other than the muscle soreness...there was a day when I realised I was not in pain anymore. I can do chin ups now, with my right arm pulling my still not thin body up over the bar and my shoulder is no longer screaming at me. I can do unstable exercises and there is no more high pitched electric nerve pain shooting down my leg....if nothing else, this makes me do the Snoopy dance....which I can now do.

The one pound a week...well.....it's tough for me as I travel so much...and yes, I drink....some of you have seen me at shows. I am never without my vodka/tonic/lime or cosmo....and that's just the facts of life...but when I am home...every time I look at that boring nutritional plan, I just keep thinking size six...size six....muscles, tone.....buff.....pain free.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by JR

1) i am not wrong.

2) i am not annoyed. if you need to believe what you believe to keep going thats great. but a poor understanding of what you are doing will be hurtful in the long run when weight loss slows/stops and like most, you will get depressed and feel a sense of hopelessness the first time you eat some sugar and gain 10 pounds and think you gained fat, not realizing that it is water. water that your body would be holding anyway under normal conditions.

3) 15 pounds of water is still 15 pounds of water. the goal is to lose fat. there is no point to dehydrating yourself and calling it weight loss when you will gain it all back by simply drinking fluids. the net fat loss will still be zero in the end.

read up a little on ketogenic diets. there is better information available losing weight by inducing ketosis in body building articles about CKD's (cyclical ketogenic diets) and TKD's (targeted ketogenic diets) than about atkins. if you really want to understand the mechanics of ketosis, read "The Ketogenic Diet" by Lyle McDonald - which is as of to date, the most comprehensive source of information on the matter. atkins and others do not talk much about the physiology involved simply because there are few studies on ketogenic diets and most of what is known comes from studies in using these diets to control epilepsy in children.

i would love to debate the issue all day, but i fear it would fall on deaf ears. i have read the books. read the studies, and i spend 5 days a week in the gym and consider myself fairly well informed on the subject.

4) losing 12 pounds of fat only in 10 days would require a caloric deficit of over 3600 calories per day which is not likely. right now i eat 2200-2500 cals a day at 5'10" and 240 pounds and my BMR is around 2200. that would mean i would have to eat zero and then run for an hour and a half every day to achieve that. if you know anything about basic physiology and exercise science, you would know that you cannot lose fat that fast without losing significant muscle mass as well. your heart is also a muscle. most who do achieve this level weight loss (unless they are morbidly obese) cause significant damage to their heart. thats why it is always recommended that safe weight loss should be around 1-2 pounds per week.

5' 10" and 240lbs! Holy shit bro! You are getting Diesel!

I'm trying to lose weight, but at the moment, the growth is actually making me bigger, rather smaller. I gained 6lbs in almost 2 weeks. I'm tipping the scales at 274lbs, and people are asking me if I'm losing weight!

No change in diet, still have one cheat meal or two a week, caloric intake is around 3600, in gym 4 to 5 times a week, no cardio. Just had blood pressure and heartbeat at rest taken this morning by a Nurse. 120/82 and 72 bpm.

I'm going to start BJJ back up after the first weekend and Vegas. It's going to be interesting to see how fast I drop weight. As that's an hour and half straight grappling.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Raven

...but when I am home...every time I look at that boring nutritional plan, I just keep thinking size six...size six....muscles, tone.....buff.....pain free.

Me too! Except mine is... Penis grows a half inch for every 20lbs I lose... Lose weight... get hung...impress the ladies...

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Me too! Except mine is... Penis grows a half inch for every 20lbs I lose... Lose weight... get hung...impress the ladies...

So, just for the sake of the math here, how many twenty pounds are you going to lose, so I can calculate how many half inches you're gonna grow so I'll know how impressed the ladies will be?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Me too! Except mine is... Penis grows a half inch for every 20lbs I lose... Lose weight... get hung...impress the ladies...

If you slimmed down to nothing , you'd be an enormous 14 inch cock...

[JR]

Originally Posted by Anthony

5' 10" and 240lbs! Holy shit bro! You are getting Diesel!

I'm trying to lose weight, but at the moment, the growth is actually making me bigger, rather smaller. I gained 6lbs in almost 2 weeks. I'm tipping the scales at 274lbs, and people are asking me if I'm losing weight!

No change in diet, still have one cheat meal or two a week, caloric intake is around 3600, in gym 4 to 5 times a week, no cardio. Just had blood pressure and heartbeat at rest taken this morning by a Nurse. 120/82 and 72 bpm.

I'm going to start BJJ back up after the first weekend and Vegas. It's going to be interesting to see how fast I drop weight. As that's an hour and half straight grappling.

jesus. 274. haha... thats a lot of Philippino lovin you are carrying around. i hope to get up to around 260 by the end of the year. i am 240, but my BF is still around 18-20%. i just took a few weeks off, went down to San Diego/LA and I need to go to Europe on Mon for a few days and after that i am going to come back and jump back into it full swing.

I want to get up to 260 by the end of the year. we'll see. i originally just wanted to get some of my size back and get a little bigger but find myself increasingly hooked on the idea of getting bigger and bigger. as i am sure you know, there is just something deeply satisfying about waking up and being the strongest you have ever been in your life and knowing you will be even stronger the next day... and at the same time, there is something terribly depressing about being weaker and losing what you built should you start slacking.

this time, i will make some videos of my progress with my friend as we train for the next 4 months. this time we are just going to do nothing but squats, dead lifts and bench twice a week (maybe arms/shoulders once a week). my buddy gained over 20 pounds in 6 months without any drugs or supplements doing this, so the next go around we will hit the same routine together. i can already deadlift 500 straight legged for 4-5 reps. kinda curious to see how far i can go.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by JR

jesus. 274. haha... thats a lot of Philippino lovin you are carrying around. i hope to get up to around 260 by the end of the year. i am 240, but my BF is still around 18-20%. i just took a few weeks off, went down to San Diego/LA and I need to go to Europe on Mon for a few days and after that i am going to come back and jump back into it full swing.

I want to get up to 260 by the end of the year. we'll see. i originally just wanted to get some of my size back and get a little bigger but find myself increasingly hooked on the idea of getting bigger and bigger. as i am sure you know, there is just something deeply satisfying about waking up and being the strongest you have ever been in your life and knowing you will be even stronger the next day... and at the same time, there is something terribly depressing about being weaker and losing what you built should you start slacking.

this time, i will make some videos of my progress with my friend as we train for the next 4 months. this time we are just going to do nothing but squats, dead lifts and bench twice a week (maybe arms/shoulders once a week). my buddy gained over 20 pounds in 6 months without any drugs or supplements doing this, so the next go around we will hit the same routine together. i can already deadlift 500 straight legged for 4-5 reps. kinda curious to see how far i can go.

Is your buddy the guy I met?

[JR]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Is your buddy the guy I met?

that was my cousin. if you saw him right now, you would not recognize him. he has trimmed down and he is still over 230 pounds. he is a lot bigger and trimmer. i tried to get him to take off his jacket at your house so you could see his arms, but he was just self conscious about how fat he got in the 4-6 mo's prior. i have never seen arms that big on a kid that is only 20. right now, he is getting ready to compete, so he looks like a completely different person. he has been a great source of motivation for me.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by JR

that was my cousin. if you saw him right now, you would not recognize him. he has trimmed down and he is still over 230 pounds. he is a lot bigger and trimmer. i tried to get him to take off his jacket at your house so you could see his arms, but he was just self conscious about how fat he got in the 4-6 mo's prior. i have never seen arms that big on a kid that is only 20. right now, he is getting ready to compete, so he looks like a completely different person. he has been a great source of motivation for me.

I was actually struck by his manners , a nice guy.

BTW if you and your wife are coming up in Sept , let me know and we'll have dinner.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

If you slimmed down to nothing , you'd be an enormous 14 inch cock...

Nah, I got it ingrown 6 inches right now!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Raven

Even with a medical background, I fought it...when I first started. If I hadn't started crying, I do believe my trainer was going to kick me out, even though I was paying him. I was that difficult.

I wanted to lose the initial weight fast..I was a great believer in modified Atkins....low to no carbs, since I felt that was the cause of all my problems...which it wasn't...

I wanted to tone muscle and improve my metabolism and I simply could not wrap myself around the reasoning for losing the weight gradually.....and I do mean gradually.....one pound a week when I've got fifty to lose....is slooooooooooow.....what I didn't realise is I would be losing body fat....and toning muscle, which tightens and strengthens....

One of the biggest side benefits I received....was no more occupational hazard pain......I had sciatica....from an old back injury and sitting wrong in my chair for hours on end...mouse shoulder, all right sided pain..and constant. Other than the muscle soreness...there was a day when I realised I was not in pain anymore. I can do chin ups now, with my right arm pulling my still not thin body up over the bar and my shoulder is no longer screaming at me. I can do unstable exercises and there is no more high pitched electric nerve pain shooting down my leg....if nothing else, this makes me do the Snoopy dance....which I can now do.

The one pound a week...well.....it's tough for me as I travel so much...and yes, I drink....some of you have seen me at shows. I am never without my vodka/tonic/lime or cosmo....and that's just the facts of life...but when I am home...every time I look at that boring nutritional plan, I just keep thinking size six...size six....muscles, tone.....buff.....pain free.

Youve done well. I wish I had the motivation and will power!

[JR]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I was actually struck by his manners , a nice guy.

BTW if you and your wife are coming up in Sept , let me know and we'll have dinner.

Yeah, we would love to head back up that way. It would be great to see you... I will let you know if we do. She is waiting for documents to travel. We definately wanted to check out Butchart Gardens before summer ends as well.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Youve done well. I wish I had the motivation and will power!

Thanks.......I appreciate the words, my friend. It helps...as it has been an uphill battle all the way...but, for me..the motivation is that I'm paying this bastard torture prick to whip me into shape. I hate wasting money....LOL...well, that...and I thought I was dying. Two powerful motivations....

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Raven

Thanks.......I appreciate the words, my friend. It helps...as it has been an uphill battle all the way...but, for me..the motivation is that I'm paying this bastard torture prick to whip me into shape. I hate wasting money....LOL...well, that...and I thought I was dying. Two powerful motivations....

Keep after it. it looks as if its agreeing with you

[Newton]

Superb that everyone is sticking their hands up and explaining what they are doing to cut down and improve their health .. kudos to you all

The weird thing i found is that after not training for some considerable time going back to the exercise regime 3 times a day, is that there is no pain. When you initially start on the cardiovascular the body takes a hit and your heart beats like a fucked clock to start of with which is to be expected, but the pain I was anticipating and welcoming for my lack of weight training didnt come at all? No pain or aches whatsoever and i can still tie a tie .. this is wholly fucked up .. I love that pain but started taking some slow release whey right after training before I went to bed and every morning wake up and no pain .. I do know that 58% of normal whey (all of it apart from this one) goes straight to the liver due to the body loving it and you lose the benefits, with only 42% benefitting the muscles .. i gotta say its unexpected, not experiencing the pain but it keeps me going three times a day ..

[Top_Of_Google_Man]

Its taken me over a month to shed 7lbs.......... at this rate will be what i want in another 3 months.....keeping it off might not be so easy.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Top_Of_Google_Man

Its taken me over a month to shed 7lbs.......... at this rate will be what i want in another 3 months.....keeping it off might not be so easy.

Then you are taking me on my food tour of Thailand and will put it all back on again

[Raven]

TOGM....when I'm having a lucky month, I lose four to six pounds a month.....men have it a little easier, as my trainer allows them to lose two pounds a week....so woo hoo..they can lose 8-10 pounds a month.
Keeping it off...well...once I get it all off..I'll let you know....that kind of is a no talk zone at the moment, since I'm no where near goal yet. I have no idea what's in store for what is known as maintenance.

Happy belated birthday, Newton.....no pain or soreness....yeah....I felt that way until Friday....when my torture man told me we were going to grow muscle.....previously, he had told me that girlies don't really have a lot of capacity to grow muscle...we can merely maintain and tone what we've got.....but we can grow a little and now I am finding out that it fucking HURTS! LOL Cause, it's Sunday and I am still sore.

[Newton]

Thats good going TOGM and Raven .. takes awhile but its maintaining the focus, every day does get easier and the rush from the endorphines is superb ..

Thanks Raven but my birthday is later in the year as i am a scorpio icq keeps giving me numerous birthdays each month .. piece of shit it is ..

Keep going and the pain will wane as your body gets used to it .. well done

[Raven]

Multiple birthdays.....and ICQ...who would have thought that ICQ could fuck up like that?

Bullshit on the soreness factor.....my torture man said I could grow a little muscle...to that end, I am still suffering from Friday's session. LOL.....but, as you've said, I've learned to appreciate...if not love..that soreness...damn..am I becoming a workout junkie?

My only fear is that I will lose my status as a fat fucking nobody.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Raven

Multiple birthdays.....and ICQ...who would have thought that ICQ could fuck up like that?

Bullshit on the soreness factor.....my torture man said I could grow a little muscle...to that end, I am still suffering from Friday's session. LOL.....but, as you've said, I've learned to appreciate...if not love..that soreness...damn..am I becoming a workout junkie?

My only fear is that I will lose my status as a fat fucking nobody.

WHen you think your out.... we pull you back in!

[Newton]

Raven, check out a whey protein called "Glycerlean" its slow absorbant whey into the body, which typically is straight after your training and will continue to do its job for 8 hours after. I am getting absolutely no pain using this stuff as I normally would and it will promote muscle growth. ChocoLATS is the best flavour .. Put it into a blender with a banana and some ice and its a great smoothie for after training http://www.glycerlean.com/

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Newton

Raven, check out a whey protein called "Glycerlean" its slow absorbant whey into the body, which typically is straight after your training and will continue to do its job for 8 hours after. I am getting absolutely no pain using this stuff as I normally would and it will promote muscle growth. ChocoLATS is the best flavour .. Put it into a blender with a banana and some ice and its a great smoothie for after training http://www.glycerlean.com/

I know one guy using it that says thank you for the tip

[Newton]

Welcome mate

[Trev]

I guess that's a brewski the old man owes you

[Newton]

No mate i am buying you a pint in Vancouver where you can get your quid too lol

[Trev]

I must add that he's gone back to eating tripe with a splash of vinegar and a dash of pepper, is that good or bad?

As it tastes like shit

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Newton

No mate i am buying you a pint in Vancouver where you can get your quid too lol

The quid is a null point

[Newton]

bollocks .. a bet is a bet lol

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Newton

bollocks .. a bet is a bet lol

Ok, ok. So I'll pay you a quid for advice on the old guy eating tripe to put weight on