Stupid little DNS tricks....

[sarettah]

I set up a dns server from home over the weekend (last piece of the puzzle for me). Lots of fun to play around with so far. Have it answering up for all sorts of domains that don't exist..lololol....

And I was thinking to myself, he(she) who controls the DNS controls the net. So I am sure that there is cash to be made somewhere in there, just trying to figure out where. Any ideas ??

[grimm]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jan 3 2005, 10:15 AM
I set up a dns server from home over the weekend (last piece of the puzzle for me). Lots of fun to play around with so far. Have it answering up for all sorts of domains that don't exist..lololol....

how so? a domain has to have the name associated with a number. if the domains dont exist, they wouldn't correspond to a number.. you hijack a class C or something?

In the past, there have been software to hijack DNS on users computers to Alt resolution servers.. that would be the only way to nab traffic from existing domains you dont own...

[sarettah]

Originally posted by grimm@Jan 3 2005, 03:24 PM
how so? a domain has to have the name associated with a number. if the domains dont exist, they wouldn't correspond to a number.. you hijack a class C or something?

In the past, there have been software to hijack DNS on users computers to Alt resolution servers.. that would be the only way to nab traffic from existing domains you dont own...

Not nabbing traffic from domains that exist but I don't own. Although that has been done before and is fairly easy to pull off.

Creating domains and extensions that do not yet exist. Of course to get to them, the user would have to dns off of my server. Pretty much the way whoever it was that does the .xxx domains is doing it (I think).

Once you create them within the name server, they exist for anyone who is dnsing off that name server...

[Nickatilynx]

Not nabbing traffic from domains that exist but I don't own. Although that has been done before and is fairly easy to pull off.

we need to talk! ;-))

Creating domains and extensions that do not yet exist. Of course to get to them, the user would have to dns off of my server. Pretty much the way whoever it was that does the .xxx domains is doing it (I think).

Done by Robin Nixon I believe circa 99.

I think.

[sarettah]

If you go into your network settings, to the tcp/ip properties and enter 66.140.68.101 as your first dns server, then go to http://www.microsoft.con (yes the .con is on porpoise, don't need anyone mad at me), you will see the potential

You should end up at a partyafterdark test page.

You could get the same effect by adding an entry to a users host file, but since spyware, etc is notorious for using folks hosts file clandestinely, many users would wipe out your changes pretty quick.

The idea here would be for people to knowingly dns off of you to get to those "secret" places on the net that no one else knows about....

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 3 2005, 03:37 PM
Done by Robin Nixon I believe circa 99.

Give me the short list, ya know, what Robin Nixon DID'NT do by 1999.....

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 3 2005, 03:37 PM
Done by Robin Nixon I believe circa 99.

I think.

Yup, '99.

[DrGuile]

Is it just me or did the change of ownership suddenly legitimized being a thief/scammer?


DNS poisoning now? Nice...

:angry:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Jan 3 2005, 04:15 PM
Is it just me or did the change of ownership suddenly legitimized being a thief/scammer?


DNS poisoning now? Nice...

:angry:

No, not DNS poisoning....

Clandestinely stealing using DNS would be one thing... But, if you created a private intra net that was only available through your DNS server, what would be wrong with that ?

I am not advocating stealing traffic, nor advocating rerouting folks unknowingly. I am however advocating stronger protection of content, protection against underage access, protection against illegal content utilizing DNS as a tool to accomplish it.

I know what my ideas as to possible LEGAL uses of DNS as a tool are, I was merely trying to get other folks ideas.

Anything that can be used for GOOD can also be used for BAD. If I used most of my ideas for the quick payoff I would be very rich. I am not. I am perhaps the poorest (financially) on this board because I do not and will not knowingly rip off people.

[DrGuile]

My comments was a bit more general, but you said 'there must be a way to make cash with this'

and than, that it was easy to redirect existing domains that werent yours, to which Nick said "We need to talk"

This in itself isnt much, its just that an inordinate number of comments about screwing webhamsters, screwing surfers and such have now appeared on Oprano, and they just didnt seem to be as prevalent before.


Ill tell you one thing, I would never do business with Nick in anyway where he would have any kind of control over anything. He made it a bit too clear that he is always trying to work any angles he can get over friends and foes alike.

Call it a flaw, but when Im working with you, Im actually working WITH you...




(dont get me wrong, I like nick, I just wouldnt trust him with my traffic, customers, money. Nick, if you want to send me traffic, Ill take it and try and make you the most money that I can, fair and square.... Its a pleasant feeling, give it a try sometime )

[DrGuile]

Allegedly

[sarettah]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Jan 3 2005, 04:37 PM
and than, that it was easy to redirect existing domains that werent yours, to which Nick said "We need to talk"

This in itself isnt much, its just that an inordinate number of comments about screwing webhamsters, screwing surfers and such have now appeared on Oprano, and they just didnt seem to be as prevalent before.
)

Did you ever see Crocodile Dundee ?

There's a guy in there, sells watches from under his coat.

That's Nick.....

[Nickatilynx]

Dr.Guile,

I appreciate your candour.

However you are missing the mark.

Neither Gonzo nor I intend this board to become a den of theives and scoundrels.

In fact the opposite.

What I am trying to do with this board is firstly and foremostly make it a place where ALL apects of business can be discussed openly and plainly.

I am trying to remove the hypocricy so rife in this business.

Examples:

1.) in my mailing days...very very few adult program I tried were in anyway against receiving spam traffic.
Not a one. They would if challenged decry spam and spammers , yet they would merely cancel the account and then reissue , all the time using the famed "Yes we were without our permission being spammed , we cancelled the account"
I mean weasel pissed openly with KB about a mail list then , decryed spam and spammers.

2.) The amount of enquiries I have had from "legitmate" webmasters to teach them how to spam.

3.) The "Shaving" thread...that was to bring out into the open the fact that it is riff.We are not in the main newbs on this board.We are not as easily swayed as a gfyer who meet the program owner in Vegas , who bought him some dri nks , smiles sweetly and now shaves him blind.

The list is endless....

I want this board to be professional , without censorship , where young, old , newbie or veteran can chat and mingle swap ideas and network without suffering too greatly.

Where a sponsor can be called out and challenged openly.

Where if a wrong has been done it can be talked about.

If a webmaster thinks XXXtraffic has fucked them , I will not close the thread because:

1.) they are going to sue me for libel
2.) cause it does not follow the party line
3.) because they threaten too , and do , remove sponsorship of this board.

I am independent , finacially, from this board.I do not rely on its income.

Gonzo has a position with imho one of the most prestigious and honest programs existent , represented by a personal friend of mine (of whom on this web I have few)

Surely any good sponsor can defend his position and we have IN FACT SEEN THIS DONE in many threads.

This board should be FREE where legitmate and illegitmate strategys and tactics can be openly discussed.

What seems to have escaped you is the fact I am using my somewhat notorious and infamous reputation to further this end.

To be a Devils Advocate so to speak.

I openly admit to have used somne tactics that were riskee at the time...

I wanna see how many others (Ones I KNOW did and that I could substantiate in a court if necessary) have used those tactics but publicly refute there use.

In fact , Dr.Guile in summary , to an extent I want to turn from poacher to gamekeeper.

Oprano should become a board that doesn't pay to post , but it will certainly pay to post.

What if oprano undertook in the future to guarantee the performance of one member to the other?

What if Oprano deposited funds in escrow held for deals where one party was afraid he would not be paid and the other worried he would not receive the service.

What if Oprano formed an advisory committee?

What if Oprano elected members to positions of responsibility?

Would I have access to these , hell no. Bearing in mind my rep ;-))

The Ideas that are formulating between not only the owners of,but the current inner circle are incredible.

And many interesting meetings are going to be taking place in Vegas , of that I am sure.

My friend , and I class you as a friend because of your obvious inteligence and humour and depth in this business...

you underrate me....

Over the coming months , I hope to show opranauts , slowly , not just Nickatilynx but the "Jon" , the businessman and friend.

Why?

The wild wild west days are behind us...

Wyatt Earp , stopped being a gun for hire and became a Marshall.

Of course history tells us he did most of it for his own benefit. ;-)))

Check my other threads recently...

my talk of building stable , and legal traffic sources...

Times are changing , I intend to change with them.

I excuse you , you are French ;-)))

Chienn!


;-))










( longest post ever)
;-))

[*KK*]

TLDNS, what a fun weekend that was

[DrGuile]

Oh man! Bravo!

Clap! Clap! Clap!

You've got my vote! Forget this webmastering non-sense and become a politician!

With speeches like that about committees, openess and trust, who wouldnt vote for you?

And once elected to power, you would have so many skimming and scamming opportunities, I think your head would explode!



Seriously, you (allegedly) stopped drinking, so anything is possible Im all for free speech and, even more so, honesty. Nothing I hate more than a ass-kissing-O-rama... The sponsored lovefest that are most boards is just sickening...

Having a 'family' is great, but it should be earned, not paid...

[sarettah]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Jan 3 2005, 05:28 PM
Having a 'family' is great, but it should be earned, not paid...

Not to be paranoid here, but if you are somehow implying that I am paid in some manner to be here, then go fuck off. If not, then ok.

I am here cause I like being here. Period. There are no financial arangements of any kind between myself and the owners/operators of this board (or any other for that matter)

Just cause I'm paranoid does not mean they aren't out to get me.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Jan 3 2005, 05:28 PM


Having a 'family' is great, but it should be earned, not paid...

earl:

[Inabon]

OMFG is it like jesus once said (those that believe the bible) he who is free of guilt throw the first stone.

THE INDUSTRY HAS CHANGED PEOPLE!!!! and like trends it is time to go back to basics mixing up the best of the old and the best of the new.

If you don't want to do business with Y or Z all the power to ya. However I really don't see the point of bashing when all we are talking about are ideas.

ON the DNS issue unless you are AOL or some big isp you wont be able to do much with your dns server localy yes there has been spyware and stuff but the final coin on that is that you spend more bandwidth and programming dollars trying to do that than just creating a shit load of sites and gaining traffic.

not to mention legal consecuences.

About this board becoming a pirate land it is not. All ideas have to be written and evaluated. No more quick buck fellas this is a real job the old days of being the first one with a cheat trick and cashing millions are over.

Surfers, computers, operating systems kids adults politics they are all smarter now. So lets keep it real and make money and let others make money and all make money from each other not just the cheaters.

my 2 Cents anyways.

[Nickatilynx]

Dr.Guile , thank you for your vote

and pardon my french , literally ,

"chienne"


;-))))


And inabon , precisely.

[Inabon]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jan 3 2005, 12:50 PM
If you go into your network settings, to the tcp/ip properties and enter 66.140.68.101 as your first dns server, then go to http://www.microsoft.con (yes the .con is on porpoise, don't need anyone mad at me), you will see the potential

You should end up at a partyafterdark test page.

You could get the same effect by adding an entry to a users host file, but since spyware, etc is notorious for using folks hosts file clandestinely, many users would wipe out your changes pretty quick.

The idea here would be for people to knowingly dns off of you to get to those "secret" places on the net that no one else knows about....

mmm freednsservice.com if you want to have a twist to your internet experience use these ips:

204.544.215.111
204.544.215.112

want to see porn in white house?

religious domains the real thing?

LOL joking but the only way i could see a user reading of your dns is like that.

However don't go too far. Mr. Gates and the mainstream people are launching internet accelerators (nothing more than a big cache server) and who is going to control what they show

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by sarettah+Jan 3 2005, 05:34 PM-->