Why does most criminal activity on web come from

deepundercover · 06-13-2003

Is it genetic? Is it the breakdown of organized religion? Are these peoples particularly lawless and immoral? Are there structural and political reasons? Socio-economic?

SykkBoy · 06-13-2003

It's all about the technology...all of the scams and ripoffs we see on the web are just extensions of scams in the "ral world". People don't change, just the technology does...the sa,me people who will pull of "real life" scams are generally the same who'll pull web scams...

Last edited by SykkBoy at Jun 13 2003, 08:09 PM

Winetalk.com · 06-13-2003

Idiot,
you are Australian,
you have criminals down your blood line and it ain't fiction, it's a fact,
and what did this gene pool produced???
Mr. Pisser wanna-be
;-)))

Timon · 06-14-2003

I guess it's because The Netherlands is a 3rd world porn country... it's in our blood.

Now you tell me, why does most of the spam I get originate in Queensland??

Almighty Colin · 06-14-2003

Seems very related to social capital and institutions to me. For example, in the US (and many other places) there is much social capital between people that leads to enough trust to have such institutions as a checking system. Many countries don't even have a functional checking system. We get approached by new webmasters that ask where they will cash their checks.

The idea that you should trust your family, trust your neighbor, trust your bank, trust your employer, the puritan work ethic, etc. Though these beliefs have been in decline lately they still function successfully.

In many eastern european countries, for example, these institutions didn't evolve to the same level of functionality because of totalitarian state systems, lack of consistency in political ideologies, and other more random factors.

Look at the world and you see some societies where people have higher trust for government that others, some where people have more trust for their neighbors, some where people have more regard for the institution of the family, and so on. Often there are parables or stories that illustrate these beliefs.

Similarly people's views of crime, what is acceptable behavior, and so forth are shaped by such external factors.

So, social.

Timon · 06-14-2003

Colin I disagree 100%

The #1 fraudulent scamming cheating criminal sons of bitches of the entire world on the web are from Montreal Canada.

How do you explain that?

Timon · 06-14-2003

Also if it is true what deepundercover claims about The Netherlands, then how is your answer relevant to his question?

Almighty Colin · 06-14-2003

Because social theories can only explain some of the factors some of the time. You know that. There will be an exception to any broad explanation of human behavior that will be applicable in some places and not in others.

I don't know if that's true about Montreal or the Netherlands or how one would even quantify it. I think it's applicable to many places and certainly the fraud rate is comparatively high in places like Eastern Europe where it does make sense.

Almighty Colin · 06-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 14 2003, 04:56 AM
if it is true what deepundercover claims about The Netherlands

Who has NL transactions banned?

Poland, Romania, Ukraine, but the Netherlands?

Maybe KK knows some numbers ;-)

Forest · 06-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 13 2003, 07:34 PM
Idiot,
you are Australian,
you have criminals down your blood line and it ain't fiction, it's a fact,
and what did this gene pool produced???
Mr. Pisser wanna-be
;-)))

serge

I would't even put him in the WannaBe Catagory

Last edited by Forest at Jun 14 2003, 03:21 AM

Timon · 06-14-2003

Montreal is easy to explain, they're French ;-)

cj · 06-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 13 2003, 11:17 PM
Now you tell me, why does most of the spam I get originate in Queensland??

duh!

countries i've had the most trouble with in order:

belgium
russia
ukraine
portugal/spain

'networks' started up in montreal, phoenix ... all it takes is a couple of people at a party talking about how they scam affiliate programs and a few of them try it and there's a scammer town ... we would often have 10 accounts with different names and addresses and pay to details, but same city, all doing the same method of cheating. Either 1 company really well set up, or 10 'buddies' playing around.

The thing with cheats, is that they often don't even realize they are cheating, they just interpret the rules differently ... just look at that sponsor post sites ... the things scams webmasters think they should be paid for is laughable. But, ignorance is no excuse! NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Timon · 06-14-2003

They must have a lot of parties in Montreal then because since my first proggy came out French Canada has always been the cheating hotbed.

Although lately 70% of credit card fraudsters come right from within the USA.

Almighty Colin · 06-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by cj@Jun 14 2003, 08:47 AM
'networks' started up in montreal, phoenix ... all it takes is a couple of people at a party talking about how they scam affiliate programs and a few of them try it and there's a scammer town

Perfect!

Almighty Colin · 06-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by cj@Jun 14 2003, 08:47 AM
The thing with cheats, is that they often don't even realize they are cheating, they just interpret the rules differently

Definite pearl. That was really two in one post.

Rolo · 06-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 14 2003, 07:36 AM
Although lately 70% of credit card fraudsters come right from within the USA.

We have seen the same thing (well not 70% for US), but numbers rise from "good" countries (US, Germany, UK etc.)... usualy when we look into it, then its either remailers, or "friends" who are at those address, and the "bad guy" is hiding in some east european country.
Do not have the stat, but its a trend.

Almighty Colin · 06-15-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 14 2003, 10:36 AM
Although lately 70% of credit card fraudsters come right from within the USA.

Curious. What percentage of your charges come from US?

Timon · 06-15-2003

This deepundercover character starts the same thread based on inaccurate assumptions on every single webmaster board on the web and then fails to join in the discussion.

No more free intel from me ;-)

Winetalk.com · 06-15-2003

Timon,
if you insist,
I can ask Scott to drag him out
;-))))

Timon · 06-15-2003

HAHAHAHAHA

Almighty Colin · 06-15-2003

"Hurting you [DUC] is a fond dream for me. It's something I'm looking forward to. I'm not chasing you. I'm not looking for you. I just know that one day you'll pop your head up at one of the webmaster meetings. You have no idea how much I am looking forward to it. You'd have to do something pretty nice. You'd have to make do on all the bad things you said and inferred about me" - Scott

Timon · 06-15-2003

We'll be hooking up on Bali in a couple of days, sounds like a good opportunity for some planning ;-))

deepundercover · 06-15-2003

Another webmaster of a medium-sized company (more than 15 employees) told me this (most criminal porn Internet activity originates in Netherlands, Russia) and asked me to investigate.

My idea of a journalistic investigation is to post something inflammatory to the boards.

I apologize if I have not been completely accurate, circumspect, journalistic, ethical and responsive.

Please don't sic Scott on me.

quote:
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Originally posted by michel
Why does most criminal activity on web come from Russia, Netherlands?

Where does this info come from?

*KK* · 06-15-2003

I've never seen any real problem with affiliates from Holland.

Missauga, Ontario on the other hand is a cheaters hotbed, perhaps as cj said, perhaps there are other factors.

Most programs don't let the E. European resellers in to start with, for very good reason -- steal one sale a day and live like a king over there....

slavdogg · 06-15-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by deepundercover@Jun 15 2003, 03:46 PM
told me this (most criminal porn Internet activity originates in Netherlands, Russia)

duck, you should check your tape recorder he might have been talking about micheal jackson cheating on his monkeys in neverland and you thought Netherland.

every Dutchman i've ever dont biz with has been honest to the bone

the reason Russians, E Europeans cheat is they've been bread over many decades to cheat the system to survive, combine that with economal factors and here we are today. At the same time it gives them a lot of creativity and entrepreneural abilities and hunger to succeed if they put their mind in the right direction.

Remember everyone cheats the system in one way or another, but only some get caught.

Last edited by slavdogg at Jun 15 2003, 07:56 PM

Almighty Colin · 06-15-2003

Holy shit, Slav!

Why are you typing like you are on g or something? ;-) ;-) ;-)

Last edited by Colin at Jun 15 2003, 07:58 PM

slavdogg · 06-15-2003

colin, what do you mean ??

i am on vicodin and some antibiotics and just had a beer with my dad.
got 3 wisdom teeth pulled few days ago, still recovering

cj · 06-15-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jun 15 2003, 08:46 PM
colin, what do you mean ??

i am on vicodin and some antibiotics and just had a beer with my dad.
got 3 wisdom teeth pulled few days ago, still recovering

alcohol and painkillers AND antibiotics?!!??

*smack*
bad boy!

sarettah · 06-16-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jun 15 2003, 08:46 PM
i am on vicodin and some antibiotics and just had a beer

Damn...I just realized I skipped breakfast....

slavdogg · 06-16-2003

it was only 1 beer, and its fathers day

Timon · 06-16-2003

Only one??? Don't you know that antibiotics require at least ten beers?

Almighty Colin · 06-16-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jun 15 2003, 08:46 PM
colin, what do you mean ??

i am on vicodin and some antibiotics and just had a beer with my dad.
got 3 wisdom teeth pulled few days ago, still recovering

Heh. That's what I mean :-)

Anthony called me when I was on vicodin once and he thought I was being an asshole cuz I wasn't responding with any enthusiasm.

Last edited by Colin at Jun 16 2003, 04:01 AM

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Winetalk.com Prostate Examiner I quoff fine wine at corkd.com Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: good 'ole USA Posts: 21,018	Idiot, you are Australian, you have criminals down your blood line and it ain't fiction, it's a fact, and what did this gene pool produced??? Mr. Pisser wanna-be ;-))) __________________ why dogs sniff each other butts?

06-14-2003	#5
Almighty Colin Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,059	Seems very related to social capital and institutions to me. For example, in the US (and many other places) there is much social capital between people that leads to enough trust to have such institutions as a checking system. Many countries don't even have a functional checking system. We get approached by new webmasters that ask where they will cash their checks. The idea that you should trust your family, trust your neighbor, trust your bank, trust your employer, the puritan work ethic, etc. Though these beliefs have been in decline lately they still function successfully. In many eastern european countries, for example, these institutions didn't evolve to the same level of functionality because of totalitarian state systems, lack of consistency in political ideologies, and other more random factors. Look at the world and you see some societies where people have higher trust for government that others, some where people have more trust for their neighbors, some where people have more regard for the institution of the family, and so on. Often there are parables or stories that illustrate these beliefs. Similarly people's views of crime, what is acceptable behavior, and so forth are shaped by such external factors. So, social. __________________ Almighty Content. Your one stop for live content. Secret Friends, LATINA Secret Friends , My Cam Friends

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Almighty Colin Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,059	Because social theories can only explain some of the factors some of the time. You know that. There will be an exception to any broad explanation of human behavior that will be applicable in some places and not in others. I don't know if that's true about Montreal or the Netherlands or how one would even quantify it. I think it's applicable to many places and certainly the fraud rate is comparatively high in places like Eastern Europe where it does make sense. __________________ Almighty Content. Your one stop for live content. Secret Friends, LATINA Secret Friends , My Cam Friends

06-15-2003	#19
Winetalk.com Prostate Examiner I quoff fine wine at corkd.com Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: good 'ole USA Posts: 21,018	Timon, if you insist, I can ask Scott to drag him out ;-)))) __________________ why dogs sniff each other butts?

06-13-2003	#1
deepundercover Members Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 107	Is it genetic? Is it the breakdown of organized religion? Are these peoples particularly lawless and immoral? Are there structural and political reasons? Socio-economic?

06-14-2003	#4
Timon Hospitality Supervisor Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,338	I guess it's because The Netherlands is a 3rd world porn country... it's in our blood. Now you tell me, why does most of the spam I get originate in Queensland??

06-15-2003	#24
KK Members Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,581	I've never seen any real problem with affiliates from Holland. Missauga, Ontario on the other hand is a cheaters hotbed, perhaps as cj said, perhaps there are other factors. Most programs don't let the E. European resellers in to start with, for very good reason -- steal one sale a day and live like a king over there....

06-16-2003	#31
Timon Hospitality Supervisor Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,338	Only one??? Don't you know that antibiotics require at least ten beers?