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What is the best affiliate program in the industry these days?
Do you send most of your traffic to a program or to a private deal?
I hear good things about silvercash normally but not so much in recent weeks ... but no other program really stands out in my mind as special.
It seems like the trend these days is lots of promotional tools and more free content than the next program and make sure your hook looks good ... I see all programs sticking to the same format though, its almost like a template industry now days ... nothing unique, and rarely anyone doing anything risky against the trends
My sites are most definitely not made off the same template Silver Cash rocks, Porn Wannabe has performed for me ever since it started. Vivid Video used to make me serious sums but now nothing. I supposed the best site are ones that no-one else uses. Some of the online amateurs do really well.
Nasty Dollars must be totally over exposed with no-one really making anything big from it anymore?
I agree with the promotional tactic of give the webmaster as much as possible, lets face facts the majority are massive perverts like myself and enjoy some 'new' stuff each week. Running a webmaster area seems more like running a tgp....but you are now updating for the webmaster.
I bet the majority of webmasters when going into the nasty dollars content area only use 1% of what they download for tgp posting.
Actually one of the best site I found was an Asian amateur from London. She was totally over weight and use to run gang bangs at her house with her husband. They recorded the lot and use to update twice a week. Converted like mad and retained really well.
I think it is about niche, updates and the sites have to have character. Look at the Nasty Dollars and Ox Cash sites they have personality. Everyone that has tried to copy has not done so well because of this.
I send most of my traffic to ARS, and have been doing so for years. They have a good variety of sites, and most importantly I KNOW I will get my money.
Every once in a while I try something else for a bit, to see if it performs. And it rarely outperforms ARS for me, so after testing for a bit I switch my traffic back to ARS.
And now with ARS' BYOT program there is plenty to try within the ARS program, so I have even less reason to look somewhere else. I just watch the weekly wires hit my bank account, sit back and smile!
The only exception is Nastydollars, that seemed to do well for me (and still do). So I send something that way too.
Of course I am just a small fish, and incredibly lazy too! But it works for me!
my last attempt at converting ars was 0/12000 ... i think you have to do work to get ars to convert, hence lots of webmasters who will stick with them for life as their traffic matches
BadBoyRob, How does giving webmasters stuff to wank to help the program make more money?
>>I supposed the best site are ones that no-one else uses.
I guess this makes a site convert better, but that only works for the webmaster ... if the site doesn't retain (which often they won't as the content inside is the same as every other site) the webmaster program isn't going to last for long ...
If you had 10k hits a day of general traffic that wasn't working on your current sponsor, which program would you send it to?
>>BadBoyRob, How does giving webmasters stuff to wank to help the program make more money?
This is if you want bulk webmasters pushing your sites. Nasty Dollars is now the 34th most hit site on the net at the moment. My personnal view is that the webmasters love to log in and get tons of free content. They can build AVS sites etc from it but more over they like porn. My view is that people that run TGP's started to do so for two reasons:
a) They are perverts Money was an added bonus.
Ynot Bob once said to me - put some pussy on the webmaster banner, you get more clicks that way!
This girl used to run a site which did quite cool for me. I reckon I was the only person on the affiliate program: http://www.northwestescort.com/ - I never pushed this site and cant find her old one.
I have also done quite well with alot of Escorts members sites, and done very shit with alot of them. You have to try to figure out the ones who are actually putting in effort to the site.
Originally posted by cj@Jun 9 2003, 11:47 AM
If you had 10k hits a day of general traffic that wasn't working on your current sponsor, which program would you send it to?
Just tested Jim's new Porn Pay Day proggy with 10k. Traffic was really varied SE clicks into my site which popped the sponsor sites in a full screen entry console.
For that type of traffic I reckon these results are incredible..
I've tried 3 other sponsors on the same traffic in the last week and after similar numbers the only one to make a signup was JoeE's Ice Cold Cash.
Jim still seems to be sorting out his payout structure but it's different and I like the model personally.. $15 signup plus 60% of recurring. particularly when signups come so easy.
I bet he would even do a pre-pay for your 10k a day... And if you don't want any bells or whistles... you should REALLY like it :P
Originally posted by Bad Boy Rob@Jun 8 2003, 12:32 PM My sites are most definitely not made off the same template Silver Cash rocks, Porn Wannabe has performed for me ever since it started. Vivid Video used to make me serious sums but now nothing. I supposed the best site are ones that no-one else uses. Some of the online amateurs do really well.
VividVIP will be coming out soon completely revamped. We aren't taking any new affiliates just yet, but once the new program is up and running (we are shooting for within the next 60 days) it's going to be hot.
I think it's true that with a combination of some of the things mentioned here makes for a well converting, well retaining site ie:
- personality
- unique content (and that doesn't just mean pics and videos)
- very niche specific
This combination has worked well for me....
Good topic CJ!
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Being that I don't login to the webmaster's area to whack off, I guess I can present another point of view - I like to use content *from* the site because when the surfer gets to the tour he sees the same girl(s) and is further enticed to pull out his credit card.
If I got all hot over a certain model and didn't see her on the tour, it would make me think she wasn't inside the site and I'd been duped. (But that's just me and I'm not thinking with my dick, LOL.)
Silvercash and ARS are my personal favorites (as in sales/ratios, not free content).
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While Erotica Cash covers the basic niches, there are a few like Wet and Messy, Plushie and Sexy Trek...which do very well and are not the run of the mill sites.
The new version of EC is coming out soon, with loads of new features.
Since I've written many of their sites and have been in on the designs, I guess I'm a little biased.
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When I chose a sponsor to promote, i pick based on how the promo tools grab my attention ... does the program have content, is it easy for me to download stuff and upload to my server .... i'm lazy ...
there's been a lot of programs who have done a great job on building really cool dynamic page building systems (tick a few boxes, download zip of web pages), but the rest of the program is usually crap ...
the only program i see who seems to have it all covered is ars ...
GiGi, i'm looking forward to seeing the new program ... i didn't even know you were working with vivid! that's awesome!
Originally posted by gigi@Jun 10 2003, 04:00 AM VividVIP will be coming out soon completely revamped. We aren't taking any new affiliates just yet, but once the new program is up and running (we are shooting for within the next 60 days) it's going to be hot.
Sheesh Gigi you kept quiet you had that!
saw this on stats page and thought "hmmmmmm" h34r:
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Glad to know it's in good hands Do you know yet if I should be pulling old link codes as I come across them or will you be tracking them with your new system?
This is a good topic. I know we've seen it here before and always something new is happening with programs.
Obviously my sites are a niche specialty and it’s difficult for me to sell other niche programs because there aren’t that many of them or at least unique programs offer more then the recycled template sites.
I’m careful about spitting out names but I definitely see some kind of shit going on. We use to do well with Video Secrets and AEBN. We track all our clicks with a stat program. We know exactly how many unique we’re sending out. We don’t trick our surfers to get them to click. When AEBN shows that we sent them 700 something uniques convert, I’m scratching my head. I also don’t see the traffic stats matching up. There’s others I’m seeing this with too. You always know that it’s going to happen…it just seems to happen more lately.
I think this is why more and more webmasters choose programs that use third party affiliate programs like CCBill, Ibill, Epoch- I will admit that I’m reluctant to send traffic to in-house affiliate programs. Another good example is that we ran our fetish product mall for years. It wasn’t making me millions but I knew I could count on at least 5 to 6K a month from product sales. I had all my products set up with a wholesaler who did drop shipping. I decided to make things even more simple and just signup to affiliate programs. Boy was that the wrong move. I’ve gone through a few and I must say that we’ve been ripped off a few times. Like I said, all those fucking clicks and no one bought anything?
When I stopped using CCBill, my own merchant account via Jettis I noticed my signups go down and my affiliate signups go down. When I brought CCbill affiliate program back on and started promoting it they increased. I don’t have a really fancy program web site (yet-coming soon) with lots of free content and promotional tools. Running sites is old news for me- this other end of the business is relatively new. I work closely with affiliates providing them with content that works for their site.
My commission checks have gone down but my web site signups have definitely increased and my retention is really good. I’ve got one portal and that new community site, which is free- I get more traffic and conversions to my paysites from my own sites then I do anywhere else. So if I’m promoting other niche sites and I’m not making money I have to say, “hmmmmm”
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:grrr: Let me tell you CJ I totally agree with you.
i am tired of sites that do not care about customers!!!
Retention is one of the tools we have to use to get money....
My commissions over new members go down if the site does not care about them, let me tell you all my work is useless...
Anyway... some sites like BEA, started to outsource the Cust.Service - but not to a collecting co... which only cares about collecting money -
I am tired of hearing customers are tired of paying and not being cared...
Why don't sites start to care about them????
Katz, most affiliate program owners don't see the surfer as their priority customer, but rather the webmaster is the most important link in the transaction.
What most program owners seem to miss, is that if you look after the surfer in an active or recurring program, you are looking after the webmaster more ...
Originally posted by cj@Jun 10 2003, 09:32 AM What most program owners seem to miss, is that if you look after the surfer in an active or recurring program, you are looking after the webmaster more ...
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Katz - good point... That is why there should be that operation who owns and operates the paysites (taking good care of those members) and that operation which handles the affiliate side of things.
That is how it works with ARS. We run the affiliate program and Global Intermedia owns and operates the sites. We do what we're good at and they do what their good at
Originally posted by Katz9901@Jun 10 2003, 10:52 AM <_< So.... Why didn`t the Big Affiliate Prog. never care too much about members the same as they care about Webmasters????
Here is the thought:
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CJ... for sure, your point is great....
is just that if we do not support each other... is only the enforcement of only a part of us... and not as a team work....
Hello Guys!
I wanted to chime in and answer some of the questions about the new Vividcash.com program which should be ready to launch early next month.
I agree 100% with the comments on this topic which is why we're taking our member sections, retention, and how we treat our surfer very seriously. Vivid has a staff of people dedicated to updating the member sections daily and making sure all of the links are functional. We're doing surveys and taking serious measures to ensure we have the highest retaining website out there for you guys.
Also, we're implementing a very robust stats program that will make available to the webmaster as much data as possible to help them attain the highest conversions out of their valuable traffic which will include exclusive content and a strong marketing tools section.
I don't want to blow my entire wad on the posting but I wanted to let you guys know all of your comments are being taken into consideration. Feel free to email me and ask me any questions or offer suggestions for the program
Originally posted by Hooper@Jun 10 2003, 12:30 PM ah, let the spam begin.
*cough*us*cough*
Thanks for the intro Hooper.
I would personally spam our homegrownvideo.com site (via cecash program), but I think a few posters here could attest to its strength.
Slavik, Hooper, MikeAi, Leslie to name a few.
I would look at sites that had content no other site has- like Homegrown, Vivid, etc. Sites with massive exclusive libraries, video more so than pics, that do multiple updates each day.
Also sites that can say something more than "1 million video! 50 million pics, 10 gazillion cams" in their tours. If they can truthfully say "As seen on HBO, Playboy TV, The Today Show, whatever" this obviously validates them as a serious operation. Hence more interest and signups.
homegrownmof I only attest to the strength of your program if you had other options besides active member payouts.
I have not sent you guys traffic in a long time....
Though if you would get up some kind of normal PPS I would definately look into sending again!!
Does any webmaster even send traffic to a per active member model???
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Jun 10 2003, 07:24 PM homegrownmof I only attest to the strength of your program if you had other options besides active member payouts.
I have not sent you guys traffic in a long time....
Though if you would get up some kind of normal PPS I would definately look into sending again!!
Does any webmaster even send traffic to a per active member model???
I knew you were going to say that.
On the flip side of that coin I doubt anyone still has a PPS deal that pays a decent amount.
Those days are over Mike.
People seem to really like the Pay It Forward program though.
CJ - I like PPS because I like my money now. I do not trust most programs to do a good job in keeping surfers to make Rev Share worth while. I have been in many members areas that were pathetic....
I prefer not to share the risk with the program.
As far as active model goes, it makes good business sense for those who run the program, but as long as there are PPS programs out there, I will send to them over Active anyday.
However, if its working for you Mof, more power to you. The more options for webmasters the better!
As far as my newsletters, this is only a small part of my traffic.... though it converts the best. Not sure what you mean about reselling same stuff over and over... there is definately a downward trend for each time you send a mailer out to the same site.
Normally 10-15% of subsribers see the ad, between 1-2% actually will click it.... conversions go on from there.... so we hope we hit a new 10-15% each time we mail.
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New vividcash is the most anticipated program of the year.
i'm beta testing it, and its converting WELL !!
better than the old site.
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homegrownvideo still converts well, but per active is not the way to go.
they have a PPS program and and that makes a little more
per active avg payout is about $17.5 per sign up
PPS seems to be about $22
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Raven, no need for me to send you more traffic, my test showed everything.
Originally posted by slavdogg@Jun 10 2003, 10:20 PM New vividcash is the most anticipated program of the year.
i'm beta testing it, and its converting WELL !!
better than the old site.
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How sweet of you to say hello!
Thank you for the props on the new program!!! Love to hear the feedback.
Originally posted by Mike AI@Jun 10 2003, 07:47 PM CJ - I like PPS because I like my money now. I do not trust most programs to do a good job in keeping surfers to make Rev Share worth while. I have been in many members areas that were pathetic....
I prefer not to share the risk with the program.
As far as active model goes, it makes good business sense for those who run the program, but as long as there are PPS programs out there, I will send to them over Active anyday.
However, if its working for you Mof, more power to you. The more options for webmasters the better!
As far as my newsletters, this is only a small part of my traffic.... though it converts the best. Not sure what you mean about reselling same stuff over and over... there is definately a downward trend for each time you send a mailer out to the same site.
Normally 10-15% of subsribers see the ad, between 1-2% actually will click it.... conversions go on from there.... so we hope we hit a new 10-15% each time we mail.
Isn´t a better deal to send traffic to a Partnership Program that has good retention than a PPS ?
Originally posted by slavdogg@Jun 11 2003, 01:20 AM
homegrownvideo still converts well, but per active is not the way to go.
they have a PPS program and and that makes a little more
per active avg payout is about $17.5 per sign up
PPS seems to be about $22
Thanks Slavik.
MikeAI you didn’t read my post.
We have a PPS program, in fact it pays $20 for every Free Sign Up. It also pays $5 for each recurring member and also 40% of all dialer revenue. It’s called Pay It Forward, you get paid $20 for each and every Free Sign Up with no deductions. You should try promoting HomeGrownVideo with it, you’ll be very happy with the conversion.
It also has a three tiered Webmaster referral program paying 5% for everyone you sign up, 3% for everyone they sign up and 1% for everyone they sign up. It also has a very sophisticated Rewards program. To see more just go to http://cecash.com/pif.html
Originally posted by slavdogg@Jun 11 2003, 01:20 AM
homegrownvideo still converts well, but per active is not the way to go.
they have a PPS program and and that makes a little more
per active avg payout is about $17.5 per sign up
PPS seems to be about $22
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Slavik,
You can also earn $25.48 per sign up and $25.48 for each member recurring in our Partnership program where we pay 60%.
It is driven by free sign ups which as you know convert much better than paid trials.
Paid Trials convert at about 1:1000 and free sign ups convert at about 1:333 globally. If a member stays on for 4 months you earn $101.92 for a single sign up!!
I prefer small "personal" sites...I don't have much traffic these days, but what I do have goes to sites like: http://www.nakkidnerds.com (new site and webmaster program coming soon...I used to be a very active affiliate of this site and am now working a deal to help Cloei and the girls get more exposure ) so does this mean this post is semi spammy? ;-)
I also love Flash Cash....especially their revshare program....
Paid Trials convert at about 1:1000 and free sign ups convert at about 1:333 globally. If a member stays on for 4 months you earn $101.92 for a single sign up!!
We saw a different result than what you have said. We saw that our paid trials converted almost as well as free stuff, but the paid trials ($2.95) recur alot better to a monthly membership.
I think free memberships attract alot of people who ONLY intend to try you for free and never spend a dime. As much as they may produce higher signups, we decided to ditch them (or pay a low PPS rate) because generally it's not quality traffic.
06-08-2003
Silver Cash rocks, Porn Wannabe has performed for me ever since it started. Vivid Video used to make me serious sums but now nothing. I supposed the best site are ones that no-one else uses. Some of the online amateurs do really well. 
Money was an added bonus.
h34r: 
Do you know yet if I should be pulling old link codes as I come across them or will you be tracking them with your new system?
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