Adult Tube Sites and Servers

[Tubie28]

Hi everyone,

I’m just about to venture into the world of adult tube sites, I was meant to do this at the beginning of the year but got delayed. Anyway, I suppose it’s a bit naive to think I can just step straight into the game without any real experience but it’s my intention to more or less copy other tube sites, maybe even steal their shit. (if that’s allowed of course)

My question has to do with servers. I don’t really know anything about them and someone told me I would need a dedicated server to run a site like YouPorn, RedTube, YouLeak, PornHub, Tube8 etc. I looked to see what the main sites use to host the sites – RedTube uses Choopa, prices are incredible, over $2000 per month for a good spec. Same goes for YouPorn, they are with Softlayer and cost as much. YouLeak and Tube8 are even more strange because the server is their own name. How much must this cost!!!

I’ve spent a lot of money up to now getting a script written and I might not even be able to use it because of the ludicrous server costs! Am I jumping the gun here? Is there another option regarding servers or are the only people who can start these sites millionaires?

Any input regarding this will be fantastic. Sorry for the simplicity of this question

Cheers

T

[jdog]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

I’m just about to venture into the world of adult tube sites, I was meant to do this at the beginning of the year but got delayed. Anyway, I suppose it’s a bit naive to think I can just step straight into the game without any real experience but it’s my intention to more or less copy other tube sites, maybe even steal their shit. (if that’s allowed of course)

First off there is a legal way and illegal way of running of tube site and you're not going to get much help staying in your post "maybe even steal their shit". That is HIGHLY unacceptable. Second there are tube sites that are illegal, they have stolen content or post full videos. If you want to start a tube site get permission from the sponsors you want to use and make sure they allow tube sites and ones that do, will have mpegs and/or wmv files that you can download and put on your tube site. Never steal a full movie and post it on your tube site you will start receiving C&D's and DMCA violation notices.

Originally Posted by Tubie28

My question has to do with servers. I don’t really know anything about them and someone told me I would need a dedicated server to run a site like YouPorn, RedTube, YouLeak, PornHub, Tube8 etc. I looked to see what the main sites use to host the sites – RedTube uses Choopa, prices are incredible, over $2000 per month for a good spec. Same goes for YouPorn, they are with Softlayer and cost as much. YouLeak and Tube8 are even more strange because the server is their own name. How much must this cost!!!

Now getting into server pricing. What do you expect when you're going to be running all video. It's not like you're setting up a TGP and having HTML & JPEG's, you're dealing with 100% videos. Yes server prices are going to cost a lot and there is going to be a big initial investment before you start seeing any return, IF ANY return. As for YouLeak & Tube8 running on their own data center, I highly doubt it, they probably just have their own DNS servers at a host. But expect a good amount of money to be dropped on bandwidth when you're dealing strictly with video files and don't expect a return in a month or two, usually you won't see that type of return on TGP's unless you have really good traffic trades.

Originally Posted by Tubie28

I’ve spent a lot of money up to now getting a script written and I might not even be able to use it because of the ludicrous server costs! Am I jumping the gun here? Is there another option regarding servers or are the only people who can start these sites millionaires?

Lastly, it seems that you didn't do proper research from the beginning. If you knew you were going to spend a lot of money on the script why wouldn't you have researched what it would cost for servers and bandwidth? That should have been one of the first things you looked into BEFORE paying for any programming and scripting, and that is how you shot yourself in the foot. But it doesn't take a millionaire to start a site, it takes somebody that is smart and nows how to bring back a return and get their money back. If you do it right and LEGAL, read that again, LEGAL, you should see a return at some point. I'm not too knowledge able with tube sites and don't know their return, I just know the legalities and copyright issues of running one since I work with a sponsor.

[Tubie28]

I think you’ve misunderstood me when I said “maybe even steal their shit”. I didn’t mean steal from the company that supply the content, I meant use the content that’s already been uploaded to the tube sites, YouPorn lets the user download their videos, this is what I was thinking of using... that’s why I put “if that’s allowed”. I may not be the most knowledgeable person on this subject but I’m not totally stupid, I wouldn’t used videos that violate any copyright rules.

But thanks for not useless info on servers and criticising me. You’ve been a real help jdog.

Cheers

T

[jdog]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

I think you’ve misunderstood me when I said “maybe even steal their shit”. I didn’t mean steal from the company that supply the content, I meant use the content that’s already been uploaded to the tube sites, YouPorn lets the user download their videos, this is what I was thinking of using... that’s why I put “if that’s allowed”. I may not be the most knowledgeable person on this subject but I’m not totally stupid, I wouldn’t used videos that violate any copyright rules.

But thanks for not useless info on servers and criticising me. You’ve been a real help jdog.

Tubie, have you looked at the legalities of own a tube site yet? Maybe you should talk to a lawyer too prior to building this tube site of yours. So you're going to download these files that these sites don't have permission to use, or most likely don't have permission to use and then use them on your site?

Look at those sites, at the very least youporn & redtube. I can tell you they aren't 100% legal. I know redtube has full videos on their site, not usually what sponsors that make the content allow. Secondly, do you see any links to the sites that made the or own the license for the content? I can say that all sponsors require that you only use their content to promote them and not to promote other sites. And I also don't know of any content producer or sponsor that allows use of full movies on their sites.

You're going about this the wrong way and have started the wrong way and as I said before haven't properly researched what you're getting into.

[RawAlex]

Tubie, just because other people are massively breaking copyright rules doesn't mean that you should do it as well. In fact, search here for Titan Media and read carefully - some tube sites are about to get it up the ass (so to speak). Make a business model, not just a mean to stab in the dark.

[gonzo]

If it were me Id make a tube site as a traffic pump to my own stuff. Overs the legal issues and solves the traffic one as well.

[jdog]

Originally Posted by gonzo

If it were me Id make a tube site as a traffic pump to my own stuff. Overs the legal issues and solves the traffic one as well.

I'd have to agree that is probably the safest way to make a tube site, and it generates a shit load of inhouse traffic too

[Tubie28]

Ok I’ll become a secondary producer, which is what I would be if I had my own content, then I would have all the 2257 issues to deal with, would I not?

Let’s take a look at these tube sites and compare them to the sites that actually make the porn or supply, doesn’t matter which one. I reckon that YouPorn makes more money than let’s say Brazzers... can’t remember what the traffic rank was for YouPorn exactly but it’s something like 34. It generates a colossal amount of traffic, fuck the legality of it. You show me a “legitimate” site that makes more money or even beats an alleged “illegal” porn site for revenue or traffic... I bet you can’t find one. I think some people should grow some cock and balls and do things without worrying if the DMCA are coming to get you.

I think if you are cautious in the beginning and don’t have too many videos that breach any copyright laws you will be ok. Sites like Brazzers depend on sites like YouPorn to survive so I guess they wouldn’t be too upset if one day they found one of their videos illegally uploaded, after all most of the top pay site embed their logo into the video, free advertising. If I don’t take the piss I’m sure I’ll be ok.

You need some bollocks jdog! Do something that’s risky... you may make a lot of money. I know YouTube does and they don’t seem too bothered about copyright... same goes for YouPorn.

[Nymph]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

Ok I’ll become a secondary producer, which is what I would be if I had my own content, then I would have all the 2257 issues to deal with, would I not?

Let’s take a look at these tube sites and compare them to the sites that actually make the porn or supply, doesn’t matter which one. I reckon that YouPorn makes more money than let’s say Brazzers... can’t remember what the traffic rank was for YouPorn exactly but it’s something like 34. It generates a colossal amount of traffic, fuck the legality of it. You show me a “legitimate” site that makes more money or even beats an alleged “illegal” porn site for revenue or traffic... I bet you can’t find one. I think some people should grow some cock and balls and do things without worrying if the DMCA are coming to get you.

I think if you are cautious in the beginning and don’t have too many videos that breach any copyright laws you will be ok. Sites like Brazzers depend on sites like YouPorn to survive so I guess they wouldn’t be too upset if one day they found one of their videos illegally uploaded, after all most of the top pay site embed their logo into the video, free advertising. If I don’t take the piss I’m sure I’ll be ok.

You need some bollocks jdog! Do something that’s risky... you may make a lot of money. I know YouTube does and they don’t seem too bothered about copyright... same goes for YouPorn.

Excuse me for interupting but, are you seriously saying screw legalities all you care about is making a butt load of money? I just want to know what type of person we are dealing with here.

[jdog]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

Ok I’ll become a secondary producer, which is what I would be if I had my own content, then I would have all the 2257 issues to deal with, would I not?

Let’s take a look at these tube sites and compare them to the sites that actually make the porn or supply, doesn’t matter which one. I reckon that YouPorn makes more money than let’s say Brazzers... can’t remember what the traffic rank was for YouPorn exactly but it’s something like 34. It generates a colossal amount of traffic, fuck the legality of it. You show me a “legitimate” site that makes more money or even beats an alleged “illegal” porn site for revenue or traffic... I bet you can’t find one. I think some people should grow some cock and balls and do things without worrying if the DMCA are coming to get you.

I think if you are cautious in the beginning and don’t have too many videos that breach any copyright laws you will be ok. Sites like Brazzers depend on sites like YouPorn to survive so I guess they wouldn’t be too upset if one day they found one of their videos illegally uploaded, after all most of the top pay site embed their logo into the video, free advertising. If I don’t take the piss I’m sure I’ll be ok.

You need some bollocks jdog! Do something that’s risky... you may make a lot of money. I know YouTube does and they don’t seem too bothered about copyright... same goes for YouPorn.

Nymph - I think we are dealing with somebody that wants to do illegal shit and make shit load of money.

Now Tubie, now that your intentions are clear, go make your tube site and see when all the C&D's come in and the DMCA notices come in. And I can tell you 100% that sites like Brazzers don't depend on sites like YouPorn, look at my sig you idiot. I work with a sponsor program, I know the notices that your site will end up getting. No sponsor wants their video unwatermarked on a page promoting everything but them, it's content thief you idiot. Start your own tube site, if you have a problem with paying $2000 a month, you're gonna be bankrupt really soon and it'll serve you right.

And so you know if anything is ever taken to court you know what the penalties are right? $250k per copyright violation? But I'm sure you got that covered.

By the way, risky and illegal are two different things. I'm in the middle of a risky mainstream project that might not make a penny back if I dont' do it right. Spending thousands on it, but may not bring any return. But I'm not doing anything illegal you stupid fuck.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

You show me a “legitimate” site that makes more money or even beats an alleged “illegal” porn site for revenue or traffic... I bet you can’t find one.

Im certain I can find 3 without even looking.

[helix]

The legal way is to use sponsor provided videos (only) for your tube site and don't allow users to upload. The following urls will do what you want and keep you legal.

FuckinHorny - http://www.fuckinhorny.com
tevs - http://www.bigdotmedia.com/

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by helix

FuckinHorny - http://www.fuckinhorny.com

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Hmmm.

[helix]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

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The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

Hmmm.

Bummer.....it was up yesterday so maybe it's just a glitch.

[mmemmer]

Hello Tubie,

LOL a thread on hosting is always something I would normally look for but this time I think I will leave it alone, in fact run the other way.

Jim, this would be the perfect thread for our mutual Brad to jump into and tubie if you get to enjoy his information, well you will know that you have been elloquently educated on the subject that you are currently researching and if my memory serves me correctly he has already written up something on this topic.

[ali25extreme]

Yes he did, I hope I have the correct thread. http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=89944
Should be viewed once more for good measure.

Originally Posted by mmemmer

Hello Tubie,

LOL a thread on hosting is always something I would normally look for but this time I think I will leave it alone, in fact run the other way.

Jim, this would be the perfect thread for our mutual Brad to jump into and tubie if you get to enjoy his information, well you will know that you have been elloquently educated on the subject that you are currently researching and if my memory serves me correctly he has already written up something on this topic.

[mmemmer]

Originally Posted by ali25extreme

Yes he did, I hope I have the correct thread. http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=89944
Should be viewed once more for good measure.

That is the one girl, dammm, you jumped in there before Gonzo, damm Jim better watch your back, on second thought as in another thread lets just watch Ali's back.

Ali, Thank you!

[ali25extreme]

Originally Posted by mmemmer

That is the one girl, dammm, you jumped in there before Gonzo, damm Jim better watch your back, on second thought as in another thread lets just watch Ali's back.

Ali, Thank you!

No problem babe! I just pay attention!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by mmemmer

Hello Tubie,

LOL a thread on hosting is always something I would normally look for but this time I think I will leave it alone, in fact run the other way.

Jim, this would be the perfect thread for our mutual Brad to jump into and tubie if you get to enjoy his information, well you will know that you have been elloquently educated on the subject that you are currently researching and if my memory serves me correctly he has already written up something on this topic.

Awaiting the rebuttal.

[softball]

Nick....hmmmmm......

[Toby]

There is an odd stench to this thread.

[Tubie28]

Helix – I really appreciate how you’ve taken the time to post some useful information on a thread that turned into a slanging match. Like you mentioned the top link seems to be out of service, think this means they’ve used all their bandwidth up. I like the tevs link but the problem is that it would never compete with the already mighty tube sites that currently run. The reason for the success of most tube sites is the fact that there a bit dodgy, it makes is more exciting for the user to feel like you’re doing something wrong. Taking off the upload function would be a big mistake.

ali25extreme - I’m sorry to say I think gonzo is the biggest retard on this site. Thanks for the link though

I’m going to come clean here, I didn’t really want any info on servers, to be brutally honest I didn’t want any information on the porn industry. I know everything there is to know about servers, bandwidth, 2257, DMCA, tube sites, who’s the best sponsor blah blah blah. I did want to start a debate not an argument, you’ve got jdog to thank for that, he was the one who fired the first insult. Poeple like jdog will never have real success, so anyone that agrees with him needs a good slap. I suppose he’ll come back and say something like “You idiot, I’m already very successful you idiot, I’m not an idiot, you’re an idiot for thinking I’m an idiot you idiot”. Jdog is stupid. There are some clever people who could read through the subtext and knew... MRock and Toby... it’s nice to see some intelligence.

So the general feeling on here is that everyone hates the tube sites? And people on this forum work for or own the sponsor sites?

Cheers

T

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

ali25extreme - I’m sorry to say I think gonzo is the biggest retard on this site. Thanks for the link though

Thanks for your support!

[Tubie28]

Don’t take it personally gonzo. You’re probably a nice guy.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

Don’t take it personally gonzo. You’re probably a nice guy.

Thanks for the humor. I know Im not the only one that was amused.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

There is an odd stench to this thread.

Stinkin to high heaven.

[Tubie28]

Does anyone read the entire thread or only the last post?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

Does anyone read the entire thread or only the last post?

Its the internet, what do you think?

[Tubie28]

I think you’re being rhetorical rhetorical

[ali25extreme]

Play nice boys!
I don't care who started it!
I am going to finish it.
We all have our differences, that's the bottom line and end of story!

[jdog]

Thanks for the entertainment it was fun and the insults shouldn't have flown back and forth the way they did.

[Tubie28]

Yeah, sorry everyone I was only messing around. Hope I didn’t offend anyone. I apologise if I did.

[ali25extreme]

That is much better!

[TheEnforcer]

Damn.. missed it all.. :>)

[Tubie28]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Damn.. missed it all.. :>)

We can start again if you'd like? I'm getting bored again... what say you people!?

[ali25extreme]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

We can start again if you'd like? I'm getting bored again... what say you people!?

Not on this issue..get new material and we can go from there! Kisses

[softball]

you didn't miss much.

[boobbucks]

We have stayed away from opening big boobs tubes type sites because of the copyright issues. No doubt they are money making machines. But its not fair to the other big boob producers to put their stuff up for free.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by boobbucks

No doubt they are money making machines.

That isn't entirely true. Tubesites (I don't run one, I am working on reports from multiple sources) are a high volume, low percentage business. Basically, you spend 10k on bandwidth, and you should in theory take in 12k of revenue. Those ratios are on a "good" one. On a bad one, you could easily swap those numbers and find yourself 20% underwater every month. Bandwidth is cheap - but movies are big files, and longer clips and such can affect the business model.

As always, my understanding is that niche tubes do slightly better initially, but the burnout factor on the content and number of sponsors is an issue. Some niches only have a handful of major paysite players, so it is rough.

The numbers on tube sites are marginally better if you are promoting your own paysite(s), mostly because you avoid the shave, lost clicks, and you control the exit consoles which can pay the bills. But even then, the programs owners that do run tube sites aren't reporting great returns, just another source of traffic that makes TGP / MGP traffic look like gold.

[Toby]

When AEBN says that PornoTube is not a money maker for them, with all the resources they have available to monetize that traffic, it pretty much tells you what the realities are.

[Tubie28]

RawAlex – I don’t know where you get your information but it’s wrong. In fact what you’ve said is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard. 10k on bandwidth with a 12k return... what the fook are you talking about! If you’ve heard this from someone who runs an adult tube site then that person is either lying or their url is the most obtuse piece of flotsam in existence. A good tube site will generate more revenue, sorry profit, than 12k per day... yes per day. Let’s say my tube site was called “FuckHerTightPussy.com” then maybe you’d only just make a profit, and that’s after you’ve spent some money on SEO. 7 letter adult tube sites, especially ones with the word “you” or “tube” in them will make you very rich very fast. Do you honestly believe that the people who run YouPorn or RedTube would do so for a 2k profit per month?

A good friend of mine had a torrent site, it got shut down like they all do eventually but it was making a regular $30,000 per month in advertising. Good adult tube sites make more than that... a lot more.

What I find funny is that nearly all people... no, all people who visit forums like this one on a regular basis and have made 1000’s of posts generally aren’t rich, successful people. They are people who either work for someone else or have a website that ticks over nicely so they can make ends meet. I’ve got to admit I do know a few millionaires that visit forums but they’re all domain related and speculation is something that’s not made.

No doubt someone will contradict what I’ve said... there is no guess work here, I don’t wear glasses and have a moustache and smell slightly of vomit, coffee and shit.






Good luck people!

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

No doubt someone will contradict what I’ve said... there is no guess work here, I don’t wear glasses and have a moustache and smell slightly of vomit, coffee and shit.

Sorry, but the facts are out there for almost all to see (and strange, I don't wear glasses or have a moustache or smell of vomit or shit... but coffee perhaps).

It's just like TGPs or MGPs, some people make a ton, most people get the shaft.

If you are making 12k a day profit, you probably shouldn't be wasting your precious time on a chat board, but rather you should be trying to duplicate your success over and over so you can be rich.

Go for it.

[softball]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sorry, but the facts are out there for almost all to see (and strange, I don't wear glasses or have a moustache or smell of vomit or shit... but coffee perhaps).

It's just like TGPs or MGPs, some people make a ton, most people get the shaft.

If you are making 12k a day profit, you probably shouldn't be wasting your precious time on a chat board, but rather you should be trying to duplicate your success over and over so you can be rich.

Go for it.

This guy's style is very suspiciously old school Oprano......

[Tubie28]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sorry, but the facts are out there for almost all to see (and strange, I don't wear glasses or have a moustache or smell of vomit or shit... but coffee perhaps).

It's just like TGPs or MGPs, some people make a ton, most people get the shaft.

If you are making 12k a day profit, you probably shouldn't be wasting your precious time on a chat board, but rather you should be trying to duplicate your success over and over so you can be rich.

Go for it.

Does anyone know how to read correctly? Where do I claim to be making 12k a day? All I said was “A good tube site will generate more profit than 12k per day...” I never said I was making this amount of money. The comment about smelling of vomit and having a moustache wasn’t directed at anyone, I was talking in generalities, meaning a typical forum user would be like this.

You know I'm right, you're just too scared to admit defeat.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

Does anyone know how to read correctly? Where do I claim to be making 12k a day? All I said was “A good tube site will generate more profit than 12k per day...” I never said I was making this amount of money. The comment about smelling of vomit and having a moustache wasn’t directed at anyone, I was talking in generalities, meaning a typical forum user would be like this.

You know I'm right, you're just too scared to admit defeat.

So Nick, how is vancouver these days?

[softball]

sure, I'll contradict you. You are more presumption than substance. I suppose stating the obvious serves only to bump a very boring thread, but hey, its summer time and the fish are jumpin'

[Tubie28]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

sure, I'll contradict you. You are more presumption than substance. I suppose stating the obvious serves only to bump a very boring thread, but hey, its summer time and the fish are jumpin'

If my thread is boring then why do you keep posting on it?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Tubie28

If my thread is boring then why do you keep posting on it?

Read the post....the cotton is high...

[Toby]

That odd stench I mentioned 5 or 6 days ago seems to be getting stronger.

[RawAlex]

jdog, I will tell you the most powerful thing you can do to change things: Send a copy of the DMCA to Google and get the sites removed from the SERPs. The biggest issue at this point is that significant amounts of the SERPs are filled with tubes, torrents, and other sites that are using porn to sell other products, and to devalue porn.

Cutting the traffic down would be a good move.