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Spirituality, Religion, it's all bullshit....
Sorry bout that, but it is.
We are no different than anything else in nature. We are born and we die. Beginning of it and end of it. Period.
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It is the hope of something more afterwards that keeps you tied down. The realization that "This is it" is freedom
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I don't think it's hope of something afterwards, it just makes sense that there is an afterlife. Look at it this way, the body is made up of chemical and electrical energy. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, just transformed. Anyone that has had someone die in their arms, knows the feeling of that energy leaving the body(some consider it the soul, I'm giving it scientific terms for those in doubt of spirituality) So where does it go? Why not into another housing? |
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There is no reason to suspect that "WE" still exist within that energy. "WE" are a structure of thoughts/memories/whatever stored within the cells of our brains. When those cells die (or enough of those cells die) "WE" cease to exist. The energy continues, "WE" do not.
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That's scientific like Im a 40 year-old MILF. Oh man, you probably got "signed up" in a few cults eh?
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I've had a few experiences that lead me to believe that there is something more and that we each go through many incarnations. The reason I believe that our "essence", if you will, travels with you is this. When I was 19, I was in the hospital with a blood clot in my leg. At one point, I had fallen into the deepest sleep I had ever experienced and felt myself floating above my body. (before this occured, I had absolutely no belief in astral projection) I saw the doctor come into my room and have a conversation with my mother. She was telling him that my breathing didn't look right. I remember fighting, trying to wake up. When I finally did, I repeated the entire conversation my mother and the doctor had, told them exactly what they had been doing while talking. They sent me down for a lung scan and found the blood clot had moved to my lungs and I was very close to death. Most people who have been with a loved one when they die say that they can feel the spirit leave the body. Also when I was in my 20's I was a participant in a study at the University of Pennsylvania dealing with hypnosis and past lives. I discovered 2 previous lives. At the time I still wasn't sure how much of it to believe, but around that time my mother had been at a friends house who also happened to have another friend there who is a psychic. She was not there as a "psychic" she was simply there because she was a friend of my mother's friend. Anyway, she was talking to mom and asked to hold her wedding ring. She got very few impressions of my mother, but a ton of impressions about me. She told my mother I was a very old soul and told her about my past lives. She described exactly what I had experienced. I had never met this woman, nor had I told my mother about the hypnosis. So go ahead and call me crazy, but I have my reasons. |
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Why is it that someone assumes that because you don't believe in an afterlife that it must bug you somehow? |
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It must be frightening being old and the only thing you've got is your wife, your dope and the idea that one day it's all over. I'll take having my wife, my son and the hope that when I pass I'll be re-united with all my family and friends, while I watch over my loved ones still here. Hmmm.... I guess you're right... I do think it must be shit/suck being like you, Sar and DrGuile....
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Ok, you have now convinced me that there is a hell
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Once you have kids ,TE, you will believe there is an afterlife.Deperately and passionately.
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Let's take Timon who basically says he is SOOOO not going to heaven!! Or make it easier and someone who is in prison for murder and truly repents and confesses their sins. Then lets take someone who is a good and pure person who lives their lives in accordance to every one of the commandments EXCEPT that they refuse to believe in God. According to the bible the second person doesn't have a chance of getting into heaven even though they have lived a virtuous life and contributed to society. And it all boils down to that one little thing... not believing in God. |
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I encountered it in high school. It covers this very topic and wonderfully. It helped form one of the bricks in my own personal theological foundation. |
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Believeing in something, no matter how much solace it provides, does not make it true.
And I do not necessarilly prescribe to the notion that it is ok to believe what you want to believe.
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If you truly believe..... The moon is green Jennifer Aniston loves you You have a huge dick and are the worlds greatest lover And it hurts no one else, why the hell not believe it? |
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It's interesting to watch people debate topics that can't be proven either way.
The fervor of a "born again atheist" is as...interesting...as a "born again Christian." I used "interesting" in lieu of "oh, for fuck's sake, don't you have anything to DO today?" |
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See, now here is where you and I disagree. I think it is perfectly ok to believe in what you want to believe. I may not believe but I would never force that belief on others. I will happily dicuss/debate the issue if it is brought up by somebody but I won't actively go out and try and change their minds about the issue unless it's a topic they wish to actively debate/discuss. Even then it is more about stating my opinion rather than trying to change their mind. It's none of my damn business. Who am I to try and take away someones belief that they hold dear and helps them through the course of their life? Especially when the issue is one that basically can't be settled until one dies. My wife and I used to discuss this issue constaantly as she believes in God stronger than anybody I have ever known. We both enjoyed, and actually still talk about the issue, talking about it quite a bit but I never actively tried to change her mind on the issue because it isn't my place to do so. I respect her greatly for her belief because I know of no one who tries to live up to that belief every day of their life more than she does. |
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I don't doubt that having kids is a wonderful thing and heard kids alter your view on life. If I ever get remarried and have kids you never know, maybe I'll find out. |
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I truthfuly believe you will meet your friends and family in an afterlife, some ethereal plain, and its important to have that faith.
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I've always found it "interesting" see people tell others what they should and shouldn't believe in. It's like telling someone their tastes in women is wrong, their favorite color is wrong, they don't like the right kind of house, they don't love the right people, etc.
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Now I have already achieved a form of heaven...... The ability to think "I don't give a fuck"...and say "Well good luck to them" And mean both. |
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When my eldest and my youngest met for the first time, one was 29, one was 19. (Long, sad, scary story; not relevent to the current topic.) They met at the airport. The eyed each other then stretched out their hands to the lengths of their arms to shake hands. In the car on the way home, I tapped my husband and whispered "can you hear that?" He nodded. His eyes were glistening, too. "That sound" was coming from the back seat. They didn't bond so much as fuse. I felt like God. I brought them both into the world then thanks to - hell, a miracle - I got to hand them over to each other. I've logged a lot of time in hell. Now I have "a form of heaven." |
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My daughter was one of the six Goths (that's right, count 'em, six) in her high school who were pulled into the principals office to get chewed out for their attire. One of them was wearing an upside down pentacle, indicating her religious preference for Satanism. Now, rather than do what any adult who'd actually *met* a teenager before would have done, which is say "how 'bout you drop that puppy inside your shirt and knock of the deliberate scaring of people, which we both know is what you're doing" this asshole rips into her, causing her to calmly state her First Ammendment religious rights. (I see the fine hand of my own child in this. She was raised on the First Ammendment, and I doubt seriously this other poor kid was.) Well, any time a teenager has to tell the principal about the Constitution, bad things happened. Once again, being right gets you zip. Nothing. Nada. There's a list of "acceptable" religions that have rights. If you're not on the list, you're in trouble. This is off topic, yes, but I do enjoy the debates/discussions Opranauts have on religion. I may not agree with what the atheists are saying, but I'll fight to the death for their right to say it. |
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IMO , heaven or hell is in each and everyone of you. TE , I feel sorry for you mate , anyone reading your posts can see you are bitterly unhappy. Try and find something you can believe in.Anything. |
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