WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOTS!

TheEnforcer · 06-08-2005

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Senate Gives FBI More Patriot Act Power

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Jun 7, 10:59 PM (ET)

By LAURIE KELLMAN
WASHINGTON (AP) - The FBI would get expanded powers to subpoena records without the approval of a judge or grand jury in terrorism investigations under Patriot Act revisions approved Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Some senators who voted 11-4 to move the bill forward said they would push for limits on the new powers the measure would grant to law enforcement agencies.

"This bill must be amended on the floor to protect national security while protecting Constitutional rights," said Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md.

Ranking Democrat Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., supported the bill overall but said he would push for limits that would allow such administrative subpoenas "only if immediacy dictates."

Rockefeller and other committee members, such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., also are concerned that the bill would grant powers to federal law enforcement agencies that could be used in criminal inquiries rather than intelligence-gathering ones.

Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said the bill places new checks and balances on the powers it would grant, such as new procedures that would allow people to challenge such administrative orders. He called the Patriot Act "a vital tool in the war on terror" and lauded the Democrats who voted for it in spite of misgivings.

Portions of the Patriot Act - signed into law six weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks - are set to expire at the end of 2005. The bill would renew and expand the act.

The bill also must be considered by the Senate Judiciary Committee, where Feinstein and other Democrats planned to again offer amendments.

Overall, Rockefeller said, the committee gave a nod to most of the Patriot Act in its first few years fighting the nation's new enemies.

"We concluded that these tools have helped keep America safe ... and should be made permanent," Rockefeller said in a statement.

Still, civil libertarians panned the bill and the closed-door meetings in which it was written.

"When lawmakers seek to rewrite our Fourth Amendment rights, they should at least have the gumption to do so in public," said Lisa Graves, the ACLU's senior counsel for legislative strategy. "Americans have a reasonable expectation that their federal government will not gather records about their health, their wealth and the transactions of their daily life without probable cause of a crime and without a court order."

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KevinG · 06-08-2005

There's not much that surprises me any more coming out of Washington. Pisses me off big time, but doesn't surprise me.

TheEnforcer · 06-08-2005

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Originally posted by KevinG@Jun 8 2005, 02:18 PM
There's not much that surprises me any more coming out of Washington. Pisses me off big time, but doesn't surprise me.

Yup.. couldn't agree more. <_<

JR · 06-08-2005

i too grow tired of all the constant stories of the federal law enforcement agencies abusing the patriot act to violate civil liberties of simple people.

oh wait. no i am not.

it doesn't happen.

(hehe let me help you work up some form of a weak retort by finding some weak and possible exceptions ---> www.google.com )

Mike AI · 06-08-2005

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Originally posted by JR@Jun 8 2005, 02:39 PM
i too grow tired of all the constant stories of the federal law enforcement agencies abusing the patriot act to violate civil liberties of simple people.

oh wait. no i am not.

it doesn't happen.

(hehe let me help you work up some form of a weak retort by finding some weak and possible exceptions ---> www.google.com )

PornoDoggy · 06-09-2005

Wonder just how supportive some people will be about the powers granted under the Patriot Act when President Hillary appoints John Edwards as Attorney General, and he begins using those powers to investigate the possibility that terrorists could be obtaining and stockpiling weapons purchased in the virtually unregulated "gun-show" market.

It's hard to take seriously the arguement that since nothing has happened (at least, that we know about), nothing could happen. My grandpa taught me that it's too late to do much when the fox is already in the hen house - you're better off keeping him far away.

I didn't like some of the provisions of what is now the Patriot Act when Clinton floated some of it long before 9/11. I still don't like much of it.

Better cooperation between local and Federal policing agencies, and appropriate interation with intelligence agencies - all for it. Some of the restrictions put in place in the aftermath of the exposure of wholesale abuses of the 50s and 60s under Hoover, and the CIA operating within the U.S. (the "Church Commission", et al) were undoubtedly too restrictive. There is no doubt that much needed to be changed just to bring the laws up-to-date in response to changes in technology.

I was raised not to trust the revenuers. Doesn't matter much to me if it's Reno or Gonzolez.

Dravyk · 06-09-2005

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain

Almighty Colin · 06-09-2005

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Originally posted by Dravyk@Jun 9 2005, 01:21 AM
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain

I love Twain

TheEnforcer · 06-09-2005

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Originally posted by Dravyk@Jun 9 2005, 01:21 AM
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain

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