New Regime just as bad as old

grimm · 01-25-2005

New regime faces claims of abuse as bad as Saddam's
From Richard Beeston in Baghdad
'Prisoners were bound, blinded, gagged. Many had terrible bruises and burns. One room contained hoses, broken lamps (electric shock) and chemicals'
Captain Jarrell Southall, of Oregon National Guard

THE Iraqi Government stands accused today of some of the same human rights abuses as Saddam Hussein’s regime, including the torture of prisoners, illegally detaining suspects and arresting political opponents.

A Human Rights Watch report is likely to embarrass Iyad Allawi, the Iraqi interim Prime Minister, before the elections on Sunday. His party has vowed to respect human rights.

Most of the abuses were recorded in interviews with detainees. Of 90 prisoners questioned between July and October last year, 72 claimed that they had been tortured or ill-treated, the 94-page dossier says. They claimed variously to have been beaten with cables, hosepipes and metal rods; slapped, kicked and punched; bound and suspended in the air for long periods; and subjected to electric shocks to the genitals, ears and other sensitive parts of the body. Some of the victims were children.

Dr Allawi’s Government “appears to be actively taking part, or is at least complicit, in these grave violations of fundamental human rights”, the report alleges.

“The people of Iraq were promised something better than this after the Government of Saddam Hussein fell,” Sarah Leah Whitson, head of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East division, said. “Sadly, the Iraqi people continue to suffer from a Government that acts with impunity in its treatment of detainees.”

The Iraqi security forces were fighting a brutal insurgency, she said, “but international law is unambiguous on this point: no government can justify torture of detainees in the name of security”.

Ali Rashid Abbadi, 24, said that he had been arrested in Baghdad last July and taken to the Central Intelligence Directorate, where he was accused of belonging to Hojatoleslam Moqtada al-Sadr’s rebel al-Mahdi Army. “They poured cold water over me and applied electric shocks to my genitals,” he said. “I was also beaten up by several people with cables on my arms and back.”

Faisal, 15, from west of Baghdad, said that he had been arrested in July with other relatives accused of kidnapping a Lebanese national and was taken to the Interior Ministry. “During interrogation, they blindfolded me and tied my hands behind my back, and then they beat me with cables,” he said.

The security forces also appear to be ignoring basic procedures, such as obtaining arrest warrants or granting suspects defence counsel. Police often demand bribes to release suspects or to allow family visits.

Some of the most troubling claims suggest that the authorities are prepared to use the intelligence services against political rivals, as Saddam did.

The newly formed secret police, now called the Iraqi National Intelligence Service, are accused of illegally arresting scores of suspects, many of them belonging to Islamic political groups, some of which are running in the election.

American and British forces are accused of failing to stop the Iraqi authorities from mistreating prisoners. In one instance last June, soldiers of the Oregon National Guard did halt the abuse of detainees held by Iraqi police in al-Shaab district in Baghdad.

Captain Jarrell Southall, the only soldier who has come forward publicly about the abuses, said: “Prisoners were bound, blinded, gagged. Many had terrible bruises and burns. One room contained hoses, broken lamps (electric shock) and chemicals.”

When Lieutenant-Colonel Dan Hendrickson, their commander, radioed to his superiors, he was ordered to return the detainees to Iraqi custody.

The Iraqi Government had no comment on the report last night.

Robert · 01-25-2005

Stop clouding the issue with facts. If it hasn't been reduced to a happy little ten second soundbite on FOX, it never happened.

NickPapageorgio · 01-25-2005

Can't say I am surprised. But then it's a real bitch going into the woods and telling Mr.Bear that he is no longer allowed to eat the fish because it's unfair to the fish. You can't train wild animals. All you can hope to do is keep them out of your yard.

Almighty Colin · 01-25-2005

The US is doing the same things. It's a little early yet.

grimm · 01-25-2005

yeah, put em in camps

Almighty Colin · 01-25-2005

Quote:

Originally posted by grimm@Jan 25 2005, 09:13 PM
yeah, put em in camps

FDR? Canadians?

grimm · 01-26-2005

yep, Manzanar, Nisei.

that wont happen again in the US

cuba is not part of the U.S.

Almighty Colin · 01-26-2005

Quote:

Originally posted by grimm@Jan 26 2005, 01:41 AM
cuba is not part of the U.S.

Patience.

Rolo · 01-26-2005

I have to give them credit for their timining in releasing the report just days before the first election in Iraq... just as perfect as the timing the terrorist use when planing their attacks near the green zone in Baghdad, so their attacks will be "breaking news" in the US morning news shows...

Ofcourse Iraq is fucked up - it has just gone thru decades of oppression, had a war which purpose was to replace an entire corrupt system, and now terrorists are trying to create civil war. Taking this into account, then it should be no surprise that abuse will happen - ofcourse human rights are important, and its one of the things that need to be improved, if Iraqis are going to feel safe... but lets not kid ourself - there are some really bad guys in Iraq right now, and they have no problem with blowing up civilians, or cutting their heads off - all in the purpose of creating chaos...

The election will not be free, human rights will be fucked, and bad news will continue to come fra Iraq, but do you have another suggestion on how to end the terror and get the country back on its feet - then I´m sure the iraqis would love to hear from you?

PornoDoggy · 01-26-2005

When in doubt - blame the media!!!!

These elections are vital. They are vital to the House Of Bush, to the House of Blair, to the House of Saud. The Iraqis are mere bystanders.

You want an example of the future of Iraq? Think Yugosolvia, post communism.

Mike AI · 01-26-2005

Raw Grimm!!

Until there are mass graves, and wood chippers chipping away, its not quite the same. Are you advocating regime change Grimm?

However, if this is what it takes to keep the enemies at bay, I will donate my jumper cables to the cause!

Almighty Colin · 01-26-2005

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 26 2005, 03:18 PM
However, if this is what it takes to keep the enemies at bay, I will donate my jumper cables to the cause!

earl: or

grimm · 01-26-2005

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 26 2005, 12:18 PM
Raw Grimm!!

Until there are mass graves, and wood chippers chipping away, its not quite the same. Are you advocating regime change Grimm?

However, if this is what it takes to keep the enemies at bay, I will donate my jumper cables to the cause!

Mike, im not advocating anything, again.

Nickatilynx · 01-26-2005

I read the title and thought it was gonna be a burn about me and gonzo ;-)))

Yes...it is all about me.

01-25-2005	#1
grimm Cramming 3 people in a Room to Attend Show Stop Lurking and start posting! Register now! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 5,306	New regime faces claims of abuse as bad as Saddam's From Richard Beeston in Baghdad 'Prisoners were bound, blinded, gagged. Many had terrible bruises and burns. One room contained hoses, broken lamps (electric shock) and chemicals' Captain Jarrell Southall, of Oregon National Guard THE Iraqi Government stands accused today of some of the same human rights abuses as Saddam Hussein’s regime, including the torture of prisoners, illegally detaining suspects and arresting political opponents. A Human Rights Watch report is likely to embarrass Iyad Allawi, the Iraqi interim Prime Minister, before the elections on Sunday. His party has vowed to respect human rights. Most of the abuses were recorded in interviews with detainees. Of 90 prisoners questioned between July and October last year, 72 claimed that they had been tortured or ill-treated, the 94-page dossier says. They claimed variously to have been beaten with cables, hosepipes and metal rods; slapped, kicked and punched; bound and suspended in the air for long periods; and subjected to electric shocks to the genitals, ears and other sensitive parts of the body. Some of the victims were children. Dr Allawi’s Government “appears to be actively taking part, or is at least complicit, in these grave violations of fundamental human rights”, the report alleges. “The people of Iraq were promised something better than this after the Government of Saddam Hussein fell,” Sarah Leah Whitson, head of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East division, said. “Sadly, the Iraqi people continue to suffer from a Government that acts with impunity in its treatment of detainees.” The Iraqi security forces were fighting a brutal insurgency, she said, “but international law is unambiguous on this point: no government can justify torture of detainees in the name of security”. Ali Rashid Abbadi, 24, said that he had been arrested in Baghdad last July and taken to the Central Intelligence Directorate, where he was accused of belonging to Hojatoleslam Moqtada al-Sadr’s rebel al-Mahdi Army. “They poured cold water over me and applied electric shocks to my genitals,” he said. “I was also beaten up by several people with cables on my arms and back.” Faisal, 15, from west of Baghdad, said that he had been arrested in July with other relatives accused of kidnapping a Lebanese national and was taken to the Interior Ministry. “During interrogation, they blindfolded me and tied my hands behind my back, and then they beat me with cables,” he said. The security forces also appear to be ignoring basic procedures, such as obtaining arrest warrants or granting suspects defence counsel. Police often demand bribes to release suspects or to allow family visits. Some of the most troubling claims suggest that the authorities are prepared to use the intelligence services against political rivals, as Saddam did. The newly formed secret police, now called the Iraqi National Intelligence Service, are accused of illegally arresting scores of suspects, many of them belonging to Islamic political groups, some of which are running in the election. American and British forces are accused of failing to stop the Iraqi authorities from mistreating prisoners. In one instance last June, soldiers of the Oregon National Guard did halt the abuse of detainees held by Iraqi police in al-Shaab district in Baghdad. Captain Jarrell Southall, the only soldier who has come forward publicly about the abuses, said: “Prisoners were bound, blinded, gagged. Many had terrible bruises and burns. One room contained hoses, broken lamps (electric shock) and chemicals.” When Lieutenant-Colonel Dan Hendrickson, their commander, radioed to his superiors, he was ordered to return the detainees to Iraqi custody. The Iraqi Government had no comment on the report last night. __________________ Think horses, not zebras.

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