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After doing some intense TGP surfing on sites and boards for a whole week, then I´m sitting with a big question, which no one have been able to answer for me (it will probably not help posting this on Oprano, since most TGP owners are allergic to this board, but if no one answers, then just see this as a rant).
I saw a few ideas made by submiters, and sites owners, which included: - DRM video clips, which would allow a surfer to watch the video for x days, if he then opens the video clip again he would be redirected to the paysite, where its located, or get a prompt. - Video and Pics on html pages instead of direct in the browser - giving a few more chances to promote the site or product on the galleries. - Keeping the galleries as teasers, and not as pleasers... meaning less of the really good action in the porn sets, movies were free etc. - Getting rid of the free submits, and in return having either a universial paid submit pass between many tgps, or a low onetime or monthly submit pass to a each tgp. - Setting a limit on the amount of new galleries on a TGP, so everyone who are posted can get some traffic for their effort/money/content/bandwidth/time. However I also saw every single one of them getting killed by a TGP owner, with these arguments: - The DRM setup would make surfers go elsewhere when building their porn library on their computers, because they would feel scammed, when they open the same video 3-7 days later, and got prompted. - The videos and pics on html pages would make surfers go elsewhere when building their porn library on their computers, because it would be harder to save content, when the video is embedded, or the picture has a extra page. - Keeping the galleries as teasers, and not as pleasers, would make surfers go elsewhere when building their porn library on their computers, because they would not fine the really good stuff like cumshots etc. - While getting rid of the free submits, was somewhat accepted, then the idea about a low priced submit pass, that was not good, because they already had given "free" partner accounts, so those who wanted guarantee on spots should pay more? (did not really see the logic in that - free submit or free partner - they are both free?) - And final the idea of setting a limit on the amount of new galleries, well that was also accepted, but it was not because of a business concept/idea, but because it would mess with designs on TGPs, and or cost extra to review and monitor. Now, I really thought that the submiters and site owners had some good ideas, which would mean a better business model for everyone who want to make money on the internet, so I was suprised to see the ideas being thrown out so fast by TGP owners, without any debate, tryouts etc... do TGP owners really fear change so much, that they would rather keep a downward spiral going, then trying to change its course or atleast debate it. Will TGP owners evolve their mindset from counter stats to bank accounts? Or prehaps I´m just missing something, and TGP owners are already the most intelligent businessmen the world has ever seen, which means no neandertal paysite owners will ever be able to make their own TGPs, which will cater to business? Are paysites the work of neandertals or is it TGPs?
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Rolo - you have some excellent points and ideas but .....
.... I think there's another piece to the puzzle, the why those ideas are rejected Look at the models TGP's use to generate revenue, how it's set up and marketed and what they need to feed or maintain and I'll be discussing my take on it in a short interview for Oprano Radio soon
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It should be abundently clear from the responses that you have gotten, that the TGP owner's priority is the SURFER, and NOT the webmaster/Paysite owner.
They want repeat customer's They set rules that will restrict what a Webmaster can do to insure that the 'surfing experience' for their bookmarker's stays in tact.... They dont care IF the webmaster makes money, thats the problem of the Webmaster..... Unfortunately, only the top few percentage of WM's can make money under the current structure..... but the remaining percentage continues to pander to the TGP's in search of the almighty hit.... The 'Business model' fits the TGP owner, and since they have the traffic, I dont see that changing in the near future... |
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fatbaby - with all due respect
I sincerely hope the TGP owner's priority is $$$$$$$$$$$ Hope the days of those who cared more about their counters than $$$$$ are long over
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I really also hope they are thinking in $$$$$$, and thats why I was puzzled about seeing the respons to valid ideas and suggestions (these ideas were from people who make their living of the TGP traffic, but also keep the TGPs alive with new content, if TGPs should listen to anyone in the adult industry, then it should be their submiters).
I think we have been thru the concept of TGPs, and their history, but what about their future. Do they have no ideas themself, are they just the conservatives of the adult industry, who do not want to change? From my point of view, then it really looks like many of the TGP owners are standing still, while their "product" keeps degenerating... Paysite owners respond to degenerating income per surfer, was more upsell, xsale, etc. TGPs owners respond seams to be attract more surfers, but at some point the math does not add up, because they will run out of new surfers... at that point will they just accept the lower income, starting asking for donations from the surfers? Like I said, maybe they have a master plan for the future, which will make them survive anything - maybe they have figured it all out, and are just waiting for whatever utopia they have in their dreams. How do they envision the future 1 year, 2 years, 3 years from now?
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I do still think that there are a number of webmasters that DO look more at their counter's than their ROI. There are some really sitty TGPs listed daily ;-) Quote:
A TGP like the HUN only lists a SMALL fraction of submissions.... they can last months without taking ANY more submissions... LOL |
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I like it squishy and wierd.
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