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Iran and Syria continue to meddle in our affairs in Iraq. I think it is time we start letting them feel the sting.
We should iummediately destroy all Iranian nuclear projects, reactors and any facilities that support these projects.
In Syria, we should look to start destroy the anti-air capability of Syria. That way when we do have to go in, we will have total air dominiation quickly. A few JDAMs on military HQs would be nice as well.
We cannot let regional enemies undermine our posistion in Iraq. We might have a hard time finding and killing Al Quada, but our other enemies are out in the open. Time to make them pay!
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you said "we" alot for somebody who is hanging out in New Orleans. did you enlist or are you just saying "we" so you can feel like one of the team?
anyway, don't you think america has enough wars going on as it is? if you asked the military they'd say they had enough going on right now to not go around starting even newer wars.
that's the way it is though, people calling for wars when they would never have the cojones to fight in one themselves. sad but true.
Originally posted by eatapeach@Apr 19 2004, 08:48 PM you said "we" alot for somebody who is hanging out in New Orleans. did you enlist or are you just saying "we" so you can feel like one of the team?
anyway, don't you think america has enough wars going on as it is? if you asked the military they'd say they had enough going on right now to not go around starting even newer wars.
that's the way it is though, people calling for wars when they would never have the cojones to fight in one themselves. sad but true.
The reality is we are at ware with Iran and Syria as well. It is just not hot in their borders right now. It is like the Spanish Civil war, a lot of people with a lot to lose are fighting a proxie war.
It is silly for us to be politically correct and tie our hands. The reality is the regimes in Iran, and Syria are trying to undermine our posistion in Iraq, and has supported terrorism against the American people. They are are part of the Islamicist movement.
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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Apr 19 2004, 08:56 PM-->
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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 19 2004, 09:08 PM
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sand niggers?
I think they prefer the more politically correct "towel heads"
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Amazing how some people let prejudice rule them.
The US is at war with a politcal movement, which is Islamic Fundementalism. Just like fighting commies and nazis.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Apr 19 2004, 09:20 PM Wow, that sure would contribute a lot to the stability of economic markets and oil supplies, now wouldn't it?
How much oil does the US get from Iran and Syria?
I know you cannot fantom the idea of war, but we are in the middle of World War III. We have been since the mid 80s, its only now we have decided to start fighting back. It is the sheep like yourself who wants to keep pulling the wool over your eyes and pretend there are not people out there who want to destroy our lives.
I supposed nothing will wake you up until a bomb goes off in Wendy's or Burger King you are eating fries at.
Do you realize a plot to release poison gas into israel was foiled in Jordan. If this attack would have been successful it would have possibly killed tens of thousands of people. But of course we should be coddling these people. ( The terrorists came through Syria!)
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I did not say that we would lose oil imports from Iran or Syria. I said it would destablize oil and economic markets. Wig, of course could explain it better than me - but if the markets goes beserk than the price of the oil we get from Saudi sources - and probably even Western Hemisphere prices - would go up.
I know enough about warfare to know the consequences of getting your happy ass overextended. We don't have the armed forces to take on Syria and Iran while operating at current levels in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm damned convinced that a bomb WILL go off in Wendys or at the mall, or something far worse than that will happen. What we are doing in Iraq right now makes that far more likely, rather than making us any safer. Expanding the war we haven't even come close to finishing in Iraq into Syria or Iran would only make that more likely yet.
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What, precisely, do you mean by that? You keep repeating it over and over, either about me directly or about liberals in general - but you never bother to explain yourself.
How would you win this war on terror, oh brilliant military strategist?
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I do however see the big picture that this is a world war, and we need a total commitment to fight and win this war. That includes not being concerned about random lines draw in sand that creat borders of these countries.
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It is the sheep like yourself who wants to keep pulling the wool over your eyes and pretend there are not people out there who want to destroy our lives.
You calling me a sheep is pretty damned funny, Mike. You're the one reciting the jingoistic lines of the neocons. You're the one who doesn't even respond to any point I try to make - you just come right back with more memorized catchphrases like "liberals don't know how to use the military." You're the own who assumes that my objection to the war in Iraq is due to emotional scars from Vietnam, rather than a firm belief that the theater chosen, the tactics employed, and the mission envisioned are all just as wrong as they can possibly be to fight the very real war on terror we are in.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Apr 19 2004, 09:59 PM
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It is the sheep like yourself who wants to keep pulling the wool over your eyes and pretend there are not people out there who want to destroy our lives.
You calling me a sheep is pretty damned funny, Mike. You're the one reciting the jingoistic lines of the neocons. You're the one who doesn't even respond to any point I try to make - you just come right back with more memorized catchphrases like "liberals don't know how to use the military." You're the own who assumes that my objection to the war in Iraq is due to emotional scars from Vietnam, rather than a firm belief that the theater chosen, the tactics employed, and the mission envisioned are all just as wrong as they can possibly be to fight the very real war on terror we are in.
Then please give me what you would do Mr. President?
Make a list, I am here waited wth baited breath.
Maybe I can help you....
1) Pretend to be French raise the white flag
2) Pretend to be Spanish, run away ASAP
3) Turn everything over to UN, they are best equiped to deal with these issues
4) Get support from other countries France, Germany, and at least 3/4s UN.
This should be interesting....
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Not that I need validation, I just happened to be reading Bill Gert's latest column about Pentagon and found this....
Of course what do 2 former generals know??
Two military analysts, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney and retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely, are out with a new book on how to win the global war against al Qaeda and other terror groups.
In "Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror," the two Vietnam combat veterans call for ratcheting up the global conflict by taking on Iran, North Korea and Syria — now.
An excerpt: "Some have said that the war on terror could last 25, 50, 100 years. We cannot wait that long. We need to defeat the web of terror now, not just deter it for some indefinite period, hoping it runs out of gas or that time will somehow heal the perceived wounds that drive those who want us destroyed. State sponsors of terrorism must destroy the monsters they have created — or they themselves will be destroyed. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan must clean their own nests, while Iran, North Korea, Syria and Libya either must change regimes, or, as Libya has professed to do, cease supporting terror and surrender any ambitions to develop weapons of mass destruction."
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Mike, maybe you should get Katie to read this to you. Several times. Slowly. Maybe she shouldn't even tell you who actually wrote it before you hear it.
The first thing I'd do as President of the United States is attempt to get Congress to double (at a minimum) the size of the Army, Navy, and Air Scouts. The Marine Corps and the Coast Guard would get tripled. And yeah, we'd pay for it now - not shove the bill off onto our grandchildren.
I AM NOT EXCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE MAY HAVE TO FIGHT SYRIA AND/OR IRAQ AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. I HAVE THIS SILLY ASS NOTION WE SHOULD FINISH THE JOB IN IRAQ BEFORE WE TAKE ON ANOTHER WAR. If you're going to use Iraq as a base for future operations, it's considered proper military strategy to secure the rear before advancing.
I would concentrate on the two projects we have now - Iraq and Afghanistan. And yeah, I would go to the U.N. and/or NATO for more help. The confrontation between the West and Islamic fundamentalism is not one that the United States can or should fight alone. We need a lot more boots on a lot more ground in both places.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Apr 20 2004, 09:51 AM In "Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror," the two Vietnam combat veterans call for ratcheting up the global conflict by taking on Iran, North Korea and Syria — now.
An excerpt: "Some have said that the war on terror could last 25, 50, 100 years. We cannot wait that long. We need to defeat the web of terror now, not just deter it for some indefinite period, hoping it runs out of gas or that time will somehow heal the perceived wounds that drive those who want us destroyed. State sponsors of terrorism must destroy the monsters they have created — or they themselves will be destroyed. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan must clean their own nests, while Iran, North Korea, Syria and Libya either must change regimes, or, as Libya has professed to do, cease supporting terror and surrender any ambitions to develop weapons of mass destruction."
Mike, you can find Generals that will support your position, I can find Generals that will support mine.
Do you advocate the use of nuclear weapons in the war on terror?
How do you attack North Korea without killing off a big chunk of the civilian population of our South Korean allies?
With what are we to take on these three countries? Do we have a secret stash of military personnel hidden out in the desert someplace?
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Apr 20 2004, 10:09 AM Mike, maybe you should get Katie to read this to you. Several times. Slowly. Maybe she shouldn't even tell you who actually wrote it before you hear it.
The first thing I'd do as President of the United States is attempt to get Congress to double (at a minimum) the size of the Army, Navy, and Air Scouts. The Marine Corps and the Coast Guard would get tripled. And yeah, we'd pay for it now - not shove the bill off onto our grandchildren.
I AM NOT EXCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE MAY HAVE TO FIGHT SYRIA AND/OR IRAQ AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. I HAVE THIS SILLY ASS NOTION WE SHOULD FINISH THE JOB IN IRAQ BEFORE WE TAKE ON ANOTHER WAR. If you're going to use Iraq as a base for future operations, it's considered proper military strategy to secure the rear before advancing.
I would concentrate on the two projects we have now - Iraq and Afghanistan. And yeah, I would go to the U.N. and/or NATO for more help. The confrontation between the West and Islamic fundamentalism is not one that the United States can or should fight alone. We need a lot more boots on a lot more ground in both places.
PD. Where do I vote for you???
I am not saying we should go to a full scale war with Iran and Syria, but we should spank them for intervening.
I think trying to win over allies in the war is important, Bush has tried, but he probably did not do the best job. I am not sure what could have been done to bring in NATO or more allies, they all seem very reluctant to engage in any military action. Europe ignored the Yugo problem, we had to lead the way on that.
Your ideas are solid, but I think the realities maybe a little different - at least at this point in time.
I think growing the military is extremely important, paying for it now I have no problem as well. I would even be willing to pay more taxs for it! I also think we need to invest in new weapons systems for our solider and marines on the ground.
We also should be training large groups of military police who specilize not in combat, but in policing and stabilizing - 2 different types of skills are needed.
See PD we are not that far off afterall....
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