Don't Say That You Support Our Troops -- You Don't

[Buff]

People who suggest that they support our troops but not the war they're fighting are intellectually dishonest. Is there any other profession where you can support the people but not their goals?

"I support the carpenters, but I don't want them to build that house."
"I support the Broncos, but I want the Steelers to win."
"I support the firefighters, but I don't want them to put out that fire."

And so on...

So, if you oppose the war, especially at this point, please don't say you support out troops, because you don't, even if you can't admit it. Resisting the urge to spit on our troops isn't supporting them.

In conclusion: Let's Roll!

[Forest]

Buff

shouldnt you be fucking errr working right now?



wait till you see the cutie I got for your next trip over

Wooohooooo





Last edited by Forest at Mar 20 2003, 07:19 AM

[Buff]

I'm building reserves for a 15 woman 9 day trip.

[Forest]

Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:20 AM
I'm building reserves for a 15 woman 9 day trip.

Look out Belooowww

she's gonna BLOWWWWW

[Buff]

Remember, I am exmilitary -- I know how to "shock and awe"!

[Forest]

Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:23 AM
Remember, I am exmilitary -- I know how to "shock and awe"!

dude you mere Presence is shocking enough

[Buff]

During the last gulf war, the President wasn't sure if he could deploy me to Saudi Arabia, since the Geneva Convention clearly has me listed as a weapon of mass destruction. And boy did that turn out to be true when I got over there.

[Buff]

Hey, Forest, can you get me some Ultimate Orange with extra ephedra?

[Forest]

Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:28 AM
Hey, Forest, can you get me some Ultimate Orange with extra ephedra?

dude your scarring me

do atkins I am

[Rox]

Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:12 AM
People who suggest that they support our troops but not the war they're fighting are intellectually dishonest. Is there any other profession where you can support the people but not their goals?

Let me be the first to call bullshit on this line of thinking.

"I support the carpenters, but I don't want them to build that house."

I support the carpenters, but the general contractor's way of doing things is not cost-effective. Not to mention he's an asshole. Good thing I have faith in the experience and talent of the carpenters.

"I support the Broncos, but I want the Steelers to win."

Kind of a stupid analogy, really. No one wants the other side to win. But I'll go with it. I support the Broncos, but their coach's game plan sucks. All the team can do is play their best.

"I support the firefighters, but I don't want them to put out that fire."

I support the firefighters, but I'd like to know why their Captain felt it was necessary to ring the house with kerosene. Again, I'm glad I can trust the firefighters themselves to do the best they can with what they've got.

So, if you oppose the war, especially at this point, please don't say you support out troops, because you don't, even if you can't admit it. Resisting the urge to spit on our troops isn't supporting them.

Some of us actually have the intellectual capacity to understand that the troops are carrying out their DUTY, and as such we can fully support THEM, even though we might disagree with the dickhead giving the orders, and his reasons for doing so.

I see no conflict whatsoever in opposing the way this was done, and the reasoning behind it, while still hoping and praying that the military personnel carrying out their orders will come home quickly and ALIVE. My argument is not with the people in the line of fire, it's with the ones who are safely ensconced several thousand miles away whose reasons and justification remain suspect in my own mind.

And I'm not altogether sure I'm a "Liberal" as most people seem to define it. Unless of course that definition is, "someone who doesn't agree with Buff."



Last edited by Rox at Mar 20 2003, 08:10 AM

[Rox]

Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:28 AM
Hey, Forest, can you get me some Ultimate Orange with extra ephedra?

Jesus Christ, Buff... you survived military service in the Gulf War. It would be tragic to lose one of America's finest to an overdose of herbal speed! Don't do it!

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Rox@Mar 20 2003, 11:10 AM
Some of us actually have the intellectual capacity to understand that the troops are carrying out their DUTY, and as such we can fully support THEM, even though we might disagree with the dickhead giving the orders, and his reasons for doing so.

I see no conflict whatsoever in opposing the way this was done, and the reasoning behind it, while still hoping and praying that the military personnel carrying out their orders will come home quickly and ALIVE. My argument is not with the people in the line of fire, it's with the ones who are safely ensconced several thousand miles away whose reasons and justification remain suspect in my own mind.

And I'm not altogether sure I'm a "Liberal" as most people seem to define it. Unless of course that definition is, "someone who doesn't agree with Buff."

Rox, Rox, Rox ... there you go thinking the world is not black and white. You are trying to bring in shades of gray, and that's just too complicated for some folks.

I happen to support the war - I think Saddam was as likely to disarm peacefully as Hitler was to sit and spin on Neville Chamberlain's umbrella. That doesn't mean I'm pleased that the current Administration failed in the foreign policy objective of getting the world on board.

The simple fact is there are just as many morons who support the war as there are who oppose it.

[Mike AI]

PD you make a good point - The Criticism that Bush sees the world in Black and White - good and bad is a valid one. I think he may not see the multi layered complex world like Clinton did, but sometimes a black and white vision helps. IN THE CASE against Saddam and terrorism I think it is a GOOD SOLID CLEAR VISION that is going to help the United States win the war on terrorism in the long term.

Its easy to debate the complexities of the world and get so caught up in the nuances that one is paralyzed to act. ( Something I think Clinton had a problem with) Sometimes its difficult situations where black/white cannot be applied. But when it comes to OUR National Security, and evil dictators like Saddam - Black and White - Good/Evil is effective!

[T-Rav]

I have managed to stay out of most discussions about the war, but this one was very difficult to keep my mouth shut. Rox beat me to this one...I would have loved to be the first one to call bullshit on Buff's line of reasoning...if you can call it that.

I believe that I do support this war. At least I am willing to trust the fact that our leaders are doing what is best for our country.

I also believe that there are people out there who disagree with it for whatever reason. Those reason's are their own. That does NOT exclude them from supporting our troops if they so choose.

I think Buff's analogies were horrible and made no sense whatsoever. Shit, now I don't even know why I bothered responding to this tripe. I guess I wanted to express my disgust with the idea that someone can't support our men and women going to war, but not supporting the war itself...total horse shit.

My two cents...now come and get your change

[JR]

i was going to say as well, that supporting the troops and opposing the war are two different things entirely. the troops did not initiate the war. they they did not decide themselves to go outside of the authority of the UN, against the will of the international community, or had the gall to defy France.

they are just there to fight and have no say in that. why would someone not wish them well even if they oppose the war?

[Rox]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 20 2003, 08:33 AM
I happen to support the war - I think Saddam was as likely to disarm peacefully as Hitler was to sit and spin on Neville Chamberlain's umbrella. That doesn't mean I'm pleased that the current Administration failed in the foreign policy objective of getting the world on board.

PD, thanks for that post. I admit that I'm not the most politically savvy person, and perhaps what you said comes a little closer to what I feel, but am not doing a very good job of expressing.

Saddam's gotta go, that's for sure. We should have taken him out long ago. Maybe it's just our foreign policy and the way we're represented that sticks in my craw.

Part of the problem, for me, is that I don't believe we'll ever understand, or "fix" the problems in the Middle East by what amounts to telling them over and over again, "Do it our way; our way's better." The Arabs are still basicly warring tribes whose government is inextricably entangled with their religion. I just see us insulting them and their way of life every time we stick our nose in, that's all.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Rox+Mar 20 2003, 11:10 AM-->