Programmers - How much do you charge ?

sarettah · 10-08-2005

So, in the other thread, Adultseo and I have gotten into a discussion about programmers prices.

Quite frankly, I think, as a programmer, if you charge a price that puts you at poverty level, you will remain in poverty.

So, I decided to do this poll and see what the actual standard price for freelance programming is

Adult SEO · 10-08-2005

$10 per hour or $100 per 19 hour day x 30 per month = $3000 per month

Adult Webmaster related or highly advanced (new technology) Programming

sarettah · 10-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Adult SEO

$10 per hour or $100 per 19 hour day x 30 per month = $3000 per month

Adult Webmaster related or highly advanced (new technology) Programming

$3000 X 12 months= $36000/year - ($36000 * .50 (taxes)) = $18000/year

$36000 or $18000 per year, from my present level I consider either poverty or below poverty wages.

It might be good wages in some countries but not within the modern western world

Mr. Nobody · 10-08-2005

Any company I have worked for charges me out at a rate of $100 or more an hour... With that said, I think that it depends on who and what you work on... If I am to freelance out to a bussiness (that is if they are going to profit from my work) then yes I would charge myself +$50 an hour, more towards to $100 an hour... If it is for friends, or some small job that you know is personnal then I would charge less. More in the $20 range.

If I would charge at a rate of $10 an hour, I think I would just go get a job at a gas station, or casino...

venturi · 10-08-2005

When I left Corporate America in 2001 my salary equated to $75/hr (extrapolating taxes & benefits) and my "services" were billed out at between $80 and $150 per hour.

When I came to the adult interweb and began offering freelance programming I was new to the industry and fairly new to PHP, so my rates reflected that - $20 to $35 per hour depending on the job and the client.

Now when I take on freelance work my base rate is $50/hr and it can fluctuate as much as +/- 50% depending upon specific circumstances.

el pres · 10-08-2005

The problem is the same for designers, you're competing against Asians/East Europeans
so unless people know you deliver better quality or are quicker, you're buggered.

Mr. Nobody · 10-08-2005

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Originally Posted by el pres

The problem is the same for designers, you're competing against Asians/East Europeans
so unless people know you deliver better quality or are quicker, you're buggered.

True enough... But there standard of living differs from the US, and dollar per dollar if you compair there standard of living to ours you would see that even though lower it about equals to ours... India for example... They may charge less then $10 dollar an hour, but they can still afford a maid at that level in there country...

So if you want to compair lets do apples to apples...

sarettah · 10-08-2005

Just checking back before I head out to do the weekend shit....

Hey Nobody

Glad to see you found it

So far, it looks like the higher prices are more the standard then the $10.00 guys.

But will have to wait and see how it shakes up here

MorganGrayson · 10-08-2005

I'm very much enjoying reading this thread. I'm not a programmer, so I have no technical information to add.

I feel a kinship, though. As a writer, I know that the "hacks" have ruined the business. (The programmers in lands where they can take lower per hour rates and still live well are not hacks, and I don't mean to imply that they are, but I can see how it could be taken that way, hence this lumpy explanation.) When I first started writing, I sold everything fast and for good prices. I wrote custom work for an excellent company that paid me well and on time. (Hi, Amber and boys!

) That was a long time ago. Now that I'm back, I've discovered that the world of "online erotica" has gone to hell in a handbasket thanks to a bunch of people with keyboards, lists of dirty words and no other noticeable writing skills. It's difficult for a writer who will not and frankly can not "hack" out a story to compete with the "I'll write one for you for $5" crowd.

I'm not going to go flip burgers in lieu of doing that, but I will go do something else.

el pres · 10-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nobody

True enough... But there standard of living differs from the US, and dollar per dollar if you compair there standard of living to ours you would see that even though lower it about equals to ours... India for example... They may charge less then $10 dollar an hour, but they can still afford a maid at that level in there country...

So if you want to compair lets do apples to apples...

Sorry, you've confused me, in the market place they are both apples.

Being sold side by side in the same store, If one apple is 5 times more expensive than the other, you only choose it, if you know it's super fucking tasty,
or if you've had the cheaper apples before and they were not satisfactory,no?

MorganGrayson · 10-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by el pres

Sorry, you've confused me, in the market place they are both apples.

Being sold side by side in the same store, If one apple is 5 times more expensive than the other, you only choose it, if you know it's super fucking tasty,
or if you've had the cheaper apples before and they were not satisfactory,no?

If you've never had an apple before or didn't know exactly what an apple was (this metaphor is getting weak, but I think you know what I mean) you'd go for the cheaper apple. This might involve learning the hard way.

Red · 10-08-2005

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Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

If you've never had an apple before or didn't know exactly what an apple was (this metaphor is getting weak, but I think you know what I mean) you'd go for the cheaper apple. This might involve learning the hard way.

Exactly.
As my mama always told me, good ain't cheap and cheap ain't good.

Newton · 10-08-2005

The normal prices I am charged for programming is anything from $30-$100+ an hour depending on the work that I want undertaken.

I always require personal recommendations from people I know and trust, who have used the company/individual in the past, and are happy to recommend them.

Trev · 10-08-2005

I've never had to hire a programmer.

Dravyk · 10-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Trev

I've never had to hire a programmer.

In this day and age, how is that possible?

Or do you do your own?

PornoDoggy · 10-09-2005

I have no doubt you will receive an overwhelming number of responses ...

in two weeks

sarettah · 10-09-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

I have no doubt you will receive an overwhelming number of responses ...

in two weeks

Dravyk · 10-09-2005

Lately there seems to be only six programmers out there.

I know since most of them seem to be avoiding me.

sarettah · 10-09-2005

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Originally Posted by Dravyk

Lately there seems to be only six programmers out there.

I know since most of them seem to be avoiding me.

Moi ?

Dravyk · 10-09-2005

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Originally Posted by sarettah

Moi ?

Nope, not vous!

venturi · 10-09-2005

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Originally Posted by Dravyk

Lately there seems to be only six programmers out there.

I know since most of them seem to be avoiding me.

Smelled your pits lately?

Dravyk · 10-09-2005

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Originally Posted by venturi

Smelled your pits lately?

Yeah, love ya, too!

Newton · 10-10-2005

I'm not surprised Carling is nasty lol

Trev · 10-10-2005

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Originally Posted by Newton

I'm not surprised Carling is nasty lol

Shush!!

Jace · 10-10-2005

I am not a programmer, but I will chime in as someone who uses programmers every now and then. I have never paid someone above $30 an hour, and to be honest, i rarely pay by the hour, and I rarely know how many hours someone took. I get a flat rate quote for each job I need

The last job I needed was a backend for our exclusive girls on ecstasyglass.com, the programmer went in and made me an admin and user interface for all the girls we have make exclusive lines for us, so they could track their sales and product views....it took him 2 nights (he works a day job), and he charged me $100...it is a pretty nice system too, exactly what we wanted. All it does really, is pull #'s from the database and place them in tables, and also allows me to choose what products are assigned to each girl

so, in my experience in the adult industry, $10-20 an hour is pretty common

and let me also point out, this guy is the lead programmer for one of the larger affiliate programs, so it wasn't shitty work

View Poll Results: Programmers - How much do you charge
Above $50.00 US per hour	5	41.67%
$40-$50 US per hour	1	8.33%
$30-$40 US perhour	2	16.67%
$20-$30 US per hour	1	8.33%
$10-$20 US per hour	1	8.33%
$10 or below US per hour	1	8.33%
I work for food	1	8.33%
Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll

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Mr. Nobody Members I'm new! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 4	Re: Programmers - How much do you charge ? Any company I have worked for charges me out at a rate of $100 or more an hour... With that said, I think that it depends on who and what you work on... If I am to freelance out to a bussiness (that is if they are going to profit from my work) then yes I would charge myself +$50 an hour, more towards to $100 an hour... If it is for friends, or some small job that you know is personnal then I would charge less. More in the $20 range. If I would charge at a rate of $10 an hour, I think I would just go get a job at a gas station, or casino... __________________ =================== Mr. Nobody mr.nobody@nowhereville.com

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venturi Members Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 138	Re: Programmers - How much do you charge ? When I left Corporate America in 2001 my salary equated to $75/hr (extrapolating taxes & benefits) and my "services" were billed out at between $80 and $150 per hour. When I came to the adult interweb and began offering freelance programming I was new to the industry and fairly new to PHP, so my rates reflected that - $20 to $35 per hour depending on the job and the client. Now when I take on freelance work my base rate is $50/hr and it can fluctuate as much as +/- 50% depending upon specific circumstances. __________________ Step 1: Join NSCash and grab your link codes. Step 2: ??? Step 3: HUGE PROFITS!!! Programmer Extrordinaire

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el pres Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 425	Re: Programmers - How much do you charge ? The problem is the same for designers, you're competing against Asians/East Europeans so unless people know you deliver better quality or are quicker, you're buggered.

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MorganGrayson None $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,321	Re: Programmers - How much do you charge ? I'm very much enjoying reading this thread. I'm not a programmer, so I have no technical information to add. I feel a kinship, though. As a writer, I know that the "hacks" have ruined the business. (The programmers in lands where they can take lower per hour rates and still live well are not hacks, and I don't mean to imply that they are, but I can see how it could be taken that way, hence this lumpy explanation.) When I first started writing, I sold everything fast and for good prices. I wrote custom work for an excellent company that paid me well and on time. (Hi, Amber and boys! ) That was a long time ago. Now that I'm back, I've discovered that the world of "online erotica" has gone to hell in a handbasket thanks to a bunch of people with keyboards, lists of dirty words and no other noticeable writing skills. It's difficult for a writer who will not and frankly can not "hack" out a story to compete with the "I'll write one for you for $5" crowd. I'm not going to go flip burgers in lieu of doing that, but I will go do something else.

10-08-2005	#13
Newton It's always business, never personal! The POWER of radio Oprano Radio Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On a golf course Posts: 4,916	Re: Programmers - How much do you charge ? The normal prices I am charged for programming is anything from $30-$100+ an hour depending on the work that I want undertaken. I always require personal recommendations from people I know and trust, who have used the company/individual in the past, and are happy to recommend them. __________________ Poser Bush in a mix-up over his hi-tech gizmo - ICLOD

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Newton It's always business, never personal! The POWER of radio Oprano Radio Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On a golf course Posts: 4,916	Re: Programmers - How much do you charge ? I'm not surprised Carling is nasty lol __________________ Poser Bush in a mix-up over his hi-tech gizmo - ICLOD

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Jace .... $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,392 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Programmers - How much do you charge ? I am not a programmer, but I will chime in as someone who uses programmers every now and then. I have never paid someone above $30 an hour, and to be honest, i rarely pay by the hour, and I rarely know how many hours someone took. I get a flat rate quote for each job I need The last job I needed was a backend for our exclusive girls on ecstasyglass.com, the programmer went in and made me an admin and user interface for all the girls we have make exclusive lines for us, so they could track their sales and product views....it took him 2 nights (he works a day job), and he charged me $100...it is a pretty nice system too, exactly what we wanted. All it does really, is pull #'s from the database and place them in tables, and also allows me to choose what products are assigned to each girl so, in my experience in the adult industry, $10-20 an hour is pretty common and let me also point out, this guy is the lead programmer for one of the larger affiliate programs, so it wasn't shitty work