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Originally posted by slavdogg@Nov 3 2004, 12:44 AM he will flip flop
Exactly.
I hope he has enough class and respect for the Country to do the right thing. But I doubt he will. I think he will go the route of Gore.
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Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Nov 3 2004, 02:29 AM Nice dodge Mike, answer the question...
Would Bush concede if situations were reversed?
More importantly, would you be whining about it if he didn't?
You mean like Nixon did?
In same shoes, I would think Bush would concede. It might not be first reaction, which is fight - but all evidence points to Bush winning.
Bush will be first President Candidate since 1988 to get a true majority. Even Clinton did not get that.
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Pity ya didn't answer the other question about if you'd want him to do it...
Not answering kinda makes it seem that you have double standards don't you think?
It depends on the margins. In 2000 there were like 4-5 states where margin of victory was under .5%. That's worthy of a recount and waiting a few days on the absentee ballots, etc. However, when that didn't work out, things got out of control in Florida with the Democrats wanting to change how the ballots were counted with the hanging chads, etc.
Alot of lessons were learned in 2000, most states have well defined processes for all of this now and definitions of what exactly constitutes a vote in the event of the old style punch cards with chads, etc. Ohio is one such state by the way.
In this case, it looks like there isn't going to be a state that is THAT close. The election is close enough to warrant waiting til tomorrow I think. Re-eveluate things like absentee ballots outstanding, etc at that point and see where it stands. But if there's 2% margin of victory in a state the size of Ohio, that's 100,000+ vote margin.
It's bullshit to contest an election just because you do not like the results or to try to legally manipulate the process. The powers that be in the DNC are so partisan though, I fear that is exactly what'll happen. If nothing else it strings along the Meni's and Michael Moores of the world who are convinced Bush was never elected.
Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Nov 3 2004, 02:41 AM Well I think you are mistaken and Bush wouldn't.
Pity ya didn't answer the other question about if you'd want him to do it...
Not answering kinda makes it seem that you have double standards don't you think?
Honestly, I did not see that question. I have been celebrating....
If all the evidence was leaning towards Kerry like it is Bush, I would accept it. I think it is more important to move forward, and not have our election process turned into an ongoing lawsuit.
Bush won MAJORITY of popular vote, he will win electorial college, republicans added seats to Senate, and House AND he is sitting President. ( that and the reality is that Renquist will live long enough to give another 5-4 rule if need be)
Bush has won. Like I said 4 years ago - DEAL WITH IT.
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Originally posted by Dravyk@Nov 3 2004, 02:57 AM Four more years of Mike gloating is almost as bad as four more years of Bush. Almost.
Sheesh, nothing worse than a sore winner!
Awwwwww want to hold hands?? We can be friends.
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imagine the situation was reversed, and it was George Bush who was down 3 million votes in the popular count, and almost 200,000 in Ohio. Do you think the assembled network braintrust would be so considerate and courtly about a Bush campaign fight in Ohio as they're being about Kerry's?
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Just goes to show your knowledge is as common as it is inaccurate.
Then again, anyone who thinks Bush is the better man lives in a fantasy world already. So, enjoy, buddy! I won't ruin your delusions. [/quote]
HAHA My candidate won.... that is reality, not fantasy.
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Just goes to show your knowledge is as common as it is inaccurate.
Then again, anyone who thinks Bush is the better man lives in a fantasy world already. So, enjoy, buddy! I won't ruin your delusions.
HAHA My candidate won.... that is reality, not fantasy.
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what can I say
all of my local candidates and initiatives I voted for won...so I was on the wrong side with Kerry nationally and Gallagher locally....
Gallagher got hurt by local smears that worked...people who bitch about dirty politics just encourage it more by voting for the guy who plays the dirtiest...
At least we get 6 more years of Harry Reid and more cops on the streets and a raise in the minimum wage in Nevada. We also get trial lawyers reigned in a bit on medical malpractice suits (maybe we can bring back some of the good doctors we lost because of increasing malpractice insurance...but sadly, we still have to deal with those stupid fucking cunts at the insurance companies...)
Sorry, I've always maintained local voting is more important than national voting...
Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 3 2004, 03:31 AM Slav I thought for sure you would be pulling for me....
i was a small part of your mainstream success, how can i not be pulling for you
but i would still take your your political opinions over your mainstream gloating anyday
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