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Never been to a Psychic but heard from someone who has that there are old souls and new souls. Old souls have occupied many bodies throughout the years and new souls are just the opposite. Weird huh! What do you think?
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Ever notice that they never tell you about the past life when you were Bubba the broke assed sharecropper, Mafu-fu the wide hipped slave that got to see all her children sold, Thinks-Like-Rock the hapless Indian run over by buffalo while looking wrong direction, or Ahmed the street urchin that starved when daddy was drafted to build the pyramids?
I must say you make a good point there XXXPhoto. That is kinda funny.
I've always looked at life along those lines though. I kind of think of it like school. You either learn or you get left back...
There are some times when I question the existence of *God* and having a soul, but then I think about the vastness of the universe and think "how could there not be something more beyond what we know?"
I was Abraham Lincoln, Attilla the Hun, Hirohito, The Pope, A Wino, A Crack Head, The fourth president, The tenth Vice President, Rony Le_y, The Godfather, Harriett Tubman, Martha Washington, A caveman, A washer woman, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Ulysses Grant and Phil Sheridan......
And that was all before lunch today..................
Originally posted by Vick@May 18 2004, 03:48 PM Regrettably (and predictably) I've seen no evidence that humans or any other creature inhabiting this planet have a "soul"
Originally posted by Vick@May 18 2004, 03:48 PM Regrettably (and predictably) I've seen no evidence that humans or any other creature inhabiting this planet have a "soul"
there is an only way to find if any particular human being has a soul...
ask for a loan
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We are all recycled humans - the atoms and molecules in your body will go thru nature and be reused... some of what you are made off may have been part of a cow, a little spider, a tree, a roman gladiator, a french politician etc. - and when you die, and your body either rot or burn, then some of your atoms might end up in some other humans - ex. in socialists, republicans etc.
Actual most of your body recycles every 7-10 years, so who knows where "you" will be in 10 years time, and where your new body have been before...
Now thinking we got a soul, which stays with us no matter what changes is done to our bodies, and which we take with us when we die is kinda of a interesting theory, but just like humans killed God, because we had no use for him, then I think there is a slime chance that we once in the future will be reading "Soul is dead" by a person who consists of parts of Nietzche´s atoms...
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Originally posted by Vick@May 18 2004, 12:48 PM Regrettably (and predictably) I've seen no evidence that humans or any other creature inhabiting this planet have a "soul"
So go watch 21 Grams... It must be true, Hollywood says so!
We know that the human body is full of energy, both chemical and electrical.
The first law of thermodynamics is that energy can neither be created or destroyed.
So when the human body dies, the energy has lost it's housing. It has to go somewhere else. That's plain scientific fact.
Also,
There have been countless testimonials by people who have had someone die in their arms stating that they felt something leave the body. That they could no longer feel the essence of what was that person. Call it an energy force, life force or soul, something leaves us when we die.
I've had 3 extrordinary incidents happen to me (all while hallucinagenic-drug free, I might add) that lead me to believe in old souls. I won't go into it, but it was enough evidence to prove the case to me.
Originally posted by Red@May 18 2004, 05:09 PM We know that the human body is full of energy, both chemical and electrical.
The first law of thermodynamics is that energy can neither be created or destroyed.
However, the total energy of the system plus the surroundings is constant. That's the First Law of Thermodynamics. The First Law is also stated as energy is conserved.
How do we know this? This is an empirical law, which means that we know that energy is conserved because of many repeated experiments by scientists. It's been observed that you can't get any more energy out of a system than you put into it . James Prescott Joule did a famous experiment which demonstrated the conservation of energy and showed that heat and work were both of the same nature: energy. His system of interest was water in a thermally insulated container. In this container was also a paddle which was connected to the outside world (surroundings) and connected to weights on a string. Joule measured the work done by the paddle wheel and he also measured the heat created by the wheel turning in the water. Significantly, Joule found that the amount of energy done as work was converted exactly to heat. Energy was changed from one form to another (work to heat); however, no net change of energy in the system plus the surroundings occured. Energy is conserved.
I'd love to see verifiable proof
Sorry I lost my faith (if I had any) a long time ago
Even thing is unreliable second and third hand stories
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Originally posted by Vick@May 18 2004, 02:22 PM ...I'd love to see verifiable proof ... Even thing is unreliable second and third hand stories.
That doesn't stop the Newbies from building sites, pissing contests in the sand or stock market swings... Unreliable second and third (and 4th, 5th...) hand stories make the world go round... Trace any proof back to origin, it's based on assumption.
I find it interesting that in one year, every single cell in your body has changed. Every single cell... not one bit of you is the same as it was a year ago... But yet we keep our memories, personalities, even the scars from old wounds.
Atoms that are billiions of years old make up our new cells... And at the same time, we get older and are not quite what we used to be...
Originally posted by XXXPhoto@May 18 2004, 03:34 PM Ever notice that they never tell you about the past life when you were Bubba the broke assed sharecropper, Mafu-fu the wide hipped slave that got to see all her children sold, Thinks-Like-Rock the hapless Indian run over by buffalo while looking wrong direction, or Ahmed the street urchin that starved when daddy was drafted to build the pyramids?
They do tell you these things - just not in the 'made for book & tv' versions!
I think everyone was a combination of other things - like Rolo said, energy just keeps being recycled. I've really enjoyed yoga for this reason - it teaches you awareness of prana (life force/breath/energy) and how it moves within ourselves and between each other.
Regarding electrical and chemical energy and the first law of thermodynamics. I don’t think you’re going to find support for souls in physics. That would be extremely interesting and most physicists would give their entire career to prove such a thing.
Electrical energy is measured because there are electrons around. Chemical energy is measured when bonds between atoms are broken. In the body, the creation and splitting of the chemical ATP creates energy that your muscles then use for you to get around. There are also all sorts of other chemical reactions happening in your body. You have electrical currents in your nervous system from electrons moving around. You can measure this activity. An EKG, for example, measures the electrical activity of the heart.
When you die, your body stops producing ATP and the nervous system stops working because the machine is broken. Machines need energy. Your body needs oxygen to make ATP, for example. You stop taking in energy because you are no longer breathing and eating. Some of the immediate energy in the body gets radiated as another form of energy – heat.
There was an experiment performed just about 100 years ago that lead to this “21 grams” business. It is discredited now as being very poorly performed. If anyone ever shows that the body loses mass or energy and it can’t be measured as heat loss or some of other form of energy they will win a nobel prize for proving that the conservation of energy is not true.
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Originally posted by Vick@May 18 2004, 12:48 PM Regrettably (and predictably) I've seen no evidence that humans or any other creature inhabiting this planet have a "soul"
Originally posted by Vick@May 19 2004, 07:10 AM Overall concept of God is Superstition
Not the actual things that may have happened - and it's been recorded by men so any facts most likely have been distorted
Sorry don't have time for the details now but will get back to it
Remember it is amusing in a ironic when you speak of god and oppose a right wing religious president he he he
and I know the differences just wanted to point it out
p.s. FUCK YOUR GODS AND FUCK YOUR POLITICIANS
Luv,
Vick
I am only speaking in Theory when I speak of GOD, as I unfortunatly, have not met him yet either.
However, I do know what the president is all about, and like you said " that scares the hell out of me", for all american generations to follow, if he is left to destroy this great nation further!)
I agree though however, that with less than half of the eligible population voting, that our system is not much better than a monarchy, or dictatorship. so fuck the politicians, is my view too.
I long for the day when the two sides will admit their true agendas, and seek to garner support for advancing that agenda, rather than looking to appease all (that will never happen) so majority should rule, and the minority should be afforded every chance to opposse said majority with any legal means necassary (violence of course is not an acceptable method,)
Originally posted by HoneyBlond@May 19 2004, 05:53 AM I believe in "Old Souls",
a child that seems wise beyond their years or copes with adversity
better than an adult is perhaps one example.
Good point HoneyBlonde. Sometimes it seems like some people are so lost in life and unexperienced when others come into life knowing what they want to do and what they have to do. I love topics like this where there is no proof and its entirely based on your beliefs.
Originally posted by JoesHO1@May 19 2004, 10:03 AM
how can one explain the architectual evidence then of these myths?
Many myths are based upon factual places and events. Intentionally so.
Troy may have been a real city but do you believe there were gods like Poseidon and Zeus who were being mischievous messing around with the puny humans?
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I am selling my soul if anyone wants it - I have a very naughty sole capable of doing very mischievous things. If this type of soul interests you please email me and we can discuss a price.
Why not just accept that we are made of physical things, and those things mixed into the cocktail we call the human body gives us awareness... do we confuse awareness with souls? if, so are we not aware that all living organism need a level or multiple levels of awareness too function - ex. plants, germs, animals etc. would all have souls too...
Or are souls only for humans, and then why do humans need souls? is it because we need to feel special in the big infinite univers? Out off all the possible answers in the physical univers we have choosen something which is divine - but we do not belive in god(s)? And if souls are not divine, but physical, then where are they?
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