Following Serge's Path

Carrie · 01-14-2003

On Colin Delia's "Building An Empire" page, there's a quote from Serge:

Quote:

Serge sez ...
Internet porn follows the route phone sex went by.

1) tremendous growth
2) easy entry and everybody making money, REGARDLESS of IQ
3) glut in supply
4) consolidation
5) squeezed phone sex gurus moving to a new pastures - internet.

In another thread presented this week, it looks like Serge thinks we've finally hit the consolidation stage in our "little" internet porn gold rush.

Two questions:
1) How long will the consolidation last before we're down to the 'pure' diehards?
2) Following Serge's path, what's the NEXT pasture?

Winetalk.com · 01-14-2003

Carrie,
if I knew "what's next", I'd be "Al Gore" and invent it
;-)))

Consolidation stage can last a few years.

Meanwhile...regardless of the numbers of car manufacturers in USA,
there are plenty of people making money in changing oil, tires, gasoline, etc...

RawAlex, thanks for this analogy
;-))

Almighty Colin · 01-14-2003

Nice analogy from Alex. People still make a living from making porn movies (DVD, VHS, hotels), magazines, and phone sex. Easy money appeared when a new means of distribution appeared.

When the next porn medium appears, follow the Botto's and the Levi's to success.

Last edited by Colin at Jan 14 2003, 05:49 AM

Almighty Colin · 01-14-2003

Another interesting story. My grandfather tells me that when the automobile first started to become popular, many people opposed it fearing that it would put all the people that took care of the horses out of business. Of course, we know the ending. Many more jobs were created than lost.

Last edited by Colin at Jan 14 2003, 05:54 AM

01-14-2003

a lot of things are changing very fast.

spam is getting harder and harder
tgp's convert worse and worse
free hosting is less and less profitable
processing is more expensive
member retention is less and less.

there are a lot of factors still present to some extent that still allow bozos to succeed "regardless of I.Q." . i dont really think a lot will change in terms of the total volume of paysites, total volume of free content etc that will help anyone be more profitable.

business is business. this business is just becoming like any other business in the world. it is maturing and the people who are really poor businessmen will not succeed or will succeed less and less. i think it is really erroneous to point out certain declines and certain areas and make blanket statements about the industry in general and its future. in the middle of the constant whining and complaining, there have been some amazing success stories this year as well.... Bangbus, Lightspeed etc. there are many.

there IS ALWAYS ROOM for someone to work harder, work better, work better, work smarter, market themselves better, innovate, create, experiment and stay ahead of the curve.

"Whats the next pasture"?

who knows. why is it reasonable to assume or hope that there will be another pasture? surfers are smarter, the dot com era of "irrational exhuberance" (as Greenspan put it) is over. The dust has settled. Now its time to really focus on what works, on the basics and on understanding why some people like Alscans can make so much money with so little content and never so much as change the same shitty design in 4 years and people elsewhere are crying that the sky is falling though they have more cash, traffic and resources.

personally, i have never been more optimistic. for each person that complains about things getting worse, i see opportunity.

Sword · 01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin@Jan 14 2003, 05:49 AM
When the next porn medium appears, follow the Botto's and the Levi's to success.

True words of wisdom!

Winetalk.com · 01-14-2003

...and learn from their mistakes too.

01-14-2003

I do not know. what is your goil in life?

01-14-2003

No longer a webmasters market. It's a surfers market.

Almighty Colin · 01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by paul@Jan 14 2003, 12:18 PM
No longer a webmasters market. It's a surfers market.

Should we retire then?

01-14-2003

Quote:

No longer a webmasters market. It's a surfers market.

Should we retire then?

No, we find out what the surfer wants and give it to him.

01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by originalheather@Jan 14 2003, 09:32 AM

Quote:

No longer a webmasters market. It's a surfers market.

Should we retire then?

No, we find out what the surfer wants and give it to him.

Exactly Heather.

But if you can afford to retire.....I recommend that as well.......Until boredom sets in.

01-14-2003

I'm not retired and I'm already bored :P

Almighty Colin · 01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by originalheather@Jan 14 2003, 12:32 PM

Quote:

No longer a webmasters market. It's a surfers market.

Should we retire then?

No, we find out what the surfer wants and give it to him.

You go ahead. I'm going to find out what he wants and SELL it to him.

Nickatilynx · 01-14-2003

Quote:

No, we find out what the surfer wants and give it to him.

Bollocks! I'll tease him ,tell him he can't have what I have got,then when he is desperate sell it to him

*KK* · 01-14-2003

damn you Colin, you beat me to it.

Nickatilynx · 01-14-2003

Finding out what the surfer wants!!!!

Thats like asking a woman what she wants, for R-n's sake!!!!

It varies by the season,month,week,and day.

You guys do that.I'm going to create a demand for something.....OK I don't know exactly what yet...but when I do, LOOKOUT! Caquse you will ALL want it!

Last edited by Nickatilynx at Jan 14 2003, 02:39 PM

Almighty Colin · 01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by *KK*@Jan 14 2003, 02:29 PM
damn you Colin, you beat me to it.

As long as we were both there "in spirit"

Almighty Colin · 01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 14 2003, 02:28 PM

Quote:

No, we find out what the surfer wants and give it to him.

Bollocks! I'll tease him ,tell him he can't have what I have got,then when he is desperate sell it to him

You were a hooker in another lifetime.

Nickatilynx · 01-14-2003

Well its the oldest profession

*KK* · 01-14-2003

HOw about shoes Nickster, I'd be willing to spend a few bucks today

Mike AI · 01-14-2003

Quote:

You go ahead. I'm going to find out what he wants and SELL it to him.

What kind of business plan is that? I am going to find what customers/surfers want - then give it away in huge amounts. I am going to convince surfers they can get everything free on the net. And if they do join a site, I will send them to another company who will bang their credit card $120 a month for the rest of their lives. I may even teach them how to charge back as well.

Nickatilynx · 01-14-2003

MikeAI you will find many like minded people on gfy

KK,

Hmmmmm....its not as crazy as it initially sounds.Online shoe mall.hmmmmm
What is it with women and shoes????
I know women with literally hundreds of pairs of shoes....Why?

Rox · 01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 14 2003, 12:05 PM
What kind of business plan is that? I am going to find what customers/surfers want - then give it away in huge amounts. I am going to convince surfers they can get everything free on the net. And if they do join a site, I will send them to another company who will bang their credit card $120 a month for the rest of their lives. I may even teach them how to charge back as well.

the GFY method, huh?

Edit: Duh, Nick already said that...

Last edited by Rox at Jan 14 2003, 12:33 PM

*KK* · 01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 14 2003, 12:14 PM
I know women with literally hundreds of pairs of shoes....Why?

If you're talking about me, be specific

Why? Why not!

Nickatilynx · 01-14-2003

Ok, I'll be specific! I mean YOU!!!!

Its a sickness isn't it?

01-14-2003

Semantics.

*KK* · 01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 14 2003, 01:17 PM
Ok, I'll be specific! I mean YOU!!!!

Its a sickness isn't it?

I prefer to call it a fetish, thank you.

Vick · 01-14-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by *KK*@Jan 14 2003, 05:30 PM
I prefer to call it a fetish, thank you.

Ahhhh ... that means there's money to be made from it

*KK* · 01-14-2003

Of course Vick

I'm not alone and remember that shoes aren't free...

SykkBoy · 01-14-2003

Fucking eureka!!!

I'm going to open a site with pictures of shoes...then charge $39.95 per month (plus recurring) for more pictures of those shoes and a couple lucky winners will actually win a date with the shoes pictured!!

I won't even have to spend much on advertising...I'll just post a few times and maybe buy an ad spot on a board or two.......

Lisa · 01-14-2003

Be sure and put those censorship star thingies over any open toed sandals on your tour.

*KK* · 01-15-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Lisa@Jan 14 2003, 06:19 PM
Be sure and put those censorship star thingies over any open toed sandals on your tour.

And dont show the boots unless they have pants legs covering them...

cj · 01-15-2003

did somebody say shoes?!

i never have been able to get into buying shoes online, browsing yes, but a shoe needs to slide onto my foot before its worthy of purchase ...

nick, what kind of a question is 'why do women need so many shoes?'?!?!?!
have you never been in a situation where you have the perfect outfit and not 1 single shoe that sets it off??!?!?!

LMAO

oprano has had an overnight turnaround ... now, instead of everything getting back to tits and ass, its shoes, weightloss and pregnancy tips ;-))))

Mutt · 01-15-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by cj@Jan 15 2003, 02:29 AM

oprano has had an overnight turnaround ... now, instead of everything getting back to tits and ass, its shoes, weightloss and pregnancy tips ;-))))

sounds like a name change might be in order, or maybe just a new spelling - OPRAHno

slavdogg · 01-15-2003

odd shoe fact

the guys that sold linkexchange.com to microsoft for $300 million back in the day. They later bought drugs.com domain for $800k and than dumped it at a loss. They run one of the largest online shoe stores zappos.com

From what i can tell, their site is very popular.
You can even read the feedback from all the shoeholics
http://www.bizrate.com/ratings_guide/cust_....xpml?mid=22763

slavdogg · 01-15-2003

>> Following Serge's Path

Why fallow anyone's path ?
build your own path and fallow it.

Winetalk.com · 01-15-2003

Slav,
haven't you followed Webfather's path?
;-))))

slavdogg · 01-15-2003

sure in one way or many ways i did,
but that doesnt mean one shouldnt be building his one paths

)

Nickatilynx · 01-15-2003

Quote:

nick, what kind of a question is 'why do women need so many shoes?'?!?!?!
have you never been in a situation where you have the perfect outfit and not 1 single shoe that sets it off??!?!?!

Ahhhhh now I see your point.

We've all been there.

(too gay?)

Vick · 01-15-2003

Quote:

have you never been in a situation where you have the perfect outfit and not 1 single shoe that sets it off??!?!?!

Guess you're really fucked if you need a pair

slavdogg · 01-15-2003

i need 2 pers

01-15-2003

Excuse my newly-un-retired ignorance..but is Slavvdog the same guy as Slavik?

Nick..you fucking nancy :P

Rolo · 01-15-2003

The next big thing will be content on multiple platforms/medias/devices working as one unity... The internet will still be used to transport this content, but they way you overall interact with the content will be much different than today... there will be a new era for content producers, marketing wizards etc. much like in 1996-1997, however this time "the price to enter" will be alot higher.

Consolidation - its going to happen and have probably already been going on for more than a year or so... we will have even less people working with adult sites at the end of 2003, while some companies will have grown alot bigger in numbers like traffic..

slavdogg · 01-15-2003

hey Heather, yup the same Gringo

good to see you on the boards again, hows your new biz in Mexico doing ?

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Winetalk.com Prostate Examiner I quoff fine wine at corkd.com Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: good 'ole USA Posts: 21,018	Carrie, if I knew "what's next", I'd be "Al Gore" and invent it ;-))) Consolidation stage can last a few years. Meanwhile...regardless of the numbers of car manufacturers in USA, there are plenty of people making money in changing oil, tires, gasoline, etc... RawAlex, thanks for this analogy ;-)) __________________ why dogs sniff each other butts?

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Almighty Colin Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,059	Nice analogy from Alex. People still make a living from making porn movies (DVD, VHS, hotels), magazines, and phone sex. Easy money appeared when a new means of distribution appeared. When the next porn medium appears, follow the Botto's and the Levi's to success. Last edited by Colin at Jan 14 2003, 05:49 AM __________________ Almighty Content. Your one stop for live content. Secret Friends, LATINA Secret Friends , My Cam Friends

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Almighty Colin Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,059	Another interesting story. My grandfather tells me that when the automobile first started to become popular, many people opposed it fearing that it would put all the people that took care of the horses out of business. Of course, we know the ending. Many more jobs were created than lost. Last edited by Colin at Jan 14 2003, 05:54 AM __________________ Almighty Content. Your one stop for live content. Secret Friends, LATINA Secret Friends , My Cam Friends

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SykkBoy Polishing the Chrome on Bishops Motorcycle $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell: Bowels : Level 9 Posts: 4,153	Fucking eureka!!! I'm going to open a site with pictures of shoes...then charge $39.95 per month (plus recurring) for more pictures of those shoes and a couple lucky winners will actually win a date with the shoes pictured!! I won't even have to spend much on advertising...I'll just post a few times and maybe buy an ad spot on a board or two....... __________________ ADULT PAYMASTER - All Site Access - Paying $70 October 5th! "Love your enemies...just in case your friends turn out to be bastards." - unknown

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-= JR =- Guest Posts: n/a	a lot of things are changing very fast. spam is getting harder and harder tgp's convert worse and worse free hosting is less and less profitable processing is more expensive member retention is less and less. there are a lot of factors still present to some extent that still allow bozos to succeed "regardless of I.Q." . i dont really think a lot will change in terms of the total volume of paysites, total volume of free content etc that will help anyone be more profitable. business is business. this business is just becoming like any other business in the world. it is maturing and the people who are really poor businessmen will not succeed or will succeed less and less. i think it is really erroneous to point out certain declines and certain areas and make blanket statements about the industry in general and its future. in the middle of the constant whining and complaining, there have been some amazing success stories this year as well.... Bangbus, Lightspeed etc. there are many. there IS ALWAYS ROOM for someone to work harder, work better, work better, work smarter, market themselves better, innovate, create, experiment and stay ahead of the curve. "Whats the next pasture"? who knows. why is it reasonable to assume or hope that there will be another pasture? surfers are smarter, the dot com era of "irrational exhuberance" (as Greenspan put it) is over. The dust has settled. Now its time to really focus on what works, on the basics and on understanding why some people like Alscans can make so much money with so little content and never so much as change the same shitty design in 4 years and people elsewhere are crying that the sky is falling though they have more cash, traffic and resources. personally, i have never been more optimistic. for each person that complains about things getting worse, i see opportunity.

01-14-2003	#8
serges-butt-boy Guest Posts: n/a	I do not know. what is your goil in life?

01-14-2003	#9
paul Guest Posts: n/a	No longer a webmasters market. It's a surfers market.

01-14-2003	#13
originalheather Guest Posts: n/a	I'm not retired and I'm already bored :P

01-14-2003	#16
KK Members Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,581	damn you Colin, you beat me to it.

01-14-2003	#17
Nickatilynx Banned Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Vancouver Canada Posts: 15,115	Finding out what the surfer wants!!!! Thats like asking a woman what she wants, for R-n's sake!!!! It varies by the season,month,week,and day. You guys do that.I'm going to create a demand for something.....OK I don't know exactly what yet...but when I do, LOOKOUT! Caquse you will ALL want it! Last edited by Nickatilynx at Jan 14 2003, 02:39 PM

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Nickatilynx Banned Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Vancouver Canada Posts: 15,115	Ok, I'll be specific! I mean YOU!!!! Its a sickness isn't it?

01-14-2003	#30
KK Members Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,581	Of course Vick I'm not alone and remember that shoes aren't free...

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Lisa Happiness is an anagram of penis pash... Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 879	Be sure and put those censorship star thingies over any open toed sandals on your tour.

01-15-2003	#34
cj Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Down Under Posts: 5,202	did somebody say shoes?! i never have been able to get into buying shoes online, browsing yes, but a shoe needs to slide onto my foot before its worthy of purchase ... nick, what kind of a question is 'why do women need so many shoes?'?!?!?! have you never been in a situation where you have the perfect outfit and not 1 single shoe that sets it off??!?!?! LMAO oprano has had an overnight turnaround ... now, instead of everything getting back to tits and ass, its shoes, weightloss and pregnancy tips ;-))))

01-15-2003	#44
Rolo Members Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Six Feet Under Posts: 2,150	The next big thing will be content on multiple platforms/medias/devices working as one unity... The internet will still be used to transport this content, but they way you overall interact with the content will be much different than today... there will be a new era for content producers, marketing wizards etc. much like in 1996-1997, however this time "the price to enter" will be alot higher. Consolidation - its going to happen and have probably already been going on for more than a year or so... we will have even less people working with adult sites at the end of 2003, while some companies will have grown alot bigger in numbers like traffic..