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Originally Posted by JR

3 wrongs don't make a right? I was attempting to comment on your bias towards every issue. You have taken Dig420's place here. Or RawAlex. You are very liberal in your thinking and you are biased towards liberal ideas and you cannot accept that. Its not right or wrong, good or bad... it just is what it is. But at some point you might want to be honest with yourself about your perceptions and how your views might affect your perceptions of whats going on in the world.

You dont hate the fact that Bush might be a bad president. You hate the fact that Bush is a Republican, Congress is Republican, Senate is Republican etc.. Sorry... thats the deal. The people have spoken. If there was a Democratic president in office you would be both touting his/her greatness constantly while pointing out that Republicans are still trying to ruin the country. Thats not a balanced view of the world rooted in objectivity and understanding.... thats simply a consistent pattern of behavior.

I'd say that I'm liberal, but to be blunt, whatever someone's political preferences are, isn't necessarily going to change how Bush is as a president. I don't hate the fact that he's a republican, because I'm unconvinced that he would behave differently if he were a democrat. Age old saying is that absolute power corrupts absolutely...unfortunately that would appear to be the case, probably largely *because* Bush is Republican, Congress is Republican, Senate is Republican, he is free to do whatever he pleases. I don't think the overall picture would be any prettier if all of the above were Democratic either... the methodologies would just be somewhat different, leading to probably the same result.

Originally Posted by JR

Your condescension is rooted in your bias. For you to be right, 50% of the voters have to be wrong. For you to be right about everything with your polarized view of the world, you have to summarily reject the views of others.

It takes a lot of arrogance to say "50% of voters are absolutely wrong and i am 100% right" in my opinion.

I know that's directed at someone else but I'm going to impose my thoughts & perspective on that statement here as well Given the rampant stupidity of humans these days, (again regardless of what their political opinion is) ...it wouldn't be hard to find 50+% of votes to be "wrong" ...if "wrong" is even an applicable word here. I don't think opinion really comes into play either.... Bush does what he does, and has made it very clear that public opinion really doesn't matter to him in the slightest. As much as I personally disagree with ...probably 90% of this actions, he was questioned a while ago up in Canada & asked about his disregard for what the American public wanted... he made a statement to the effect of that he would do what he had to do what he felt was right & couldn't rely upon public opinion to base his decisions upon because opinions were so varied. It was the one & only thing I've ever heard quoted of the man, that I've had to respect... he had a point there & as an individual that will personally always do what I personally feel is right, I can understand it on that level. Unfortunately my opinion also does feel that a federal government does have a responsibility for their public & when opinions are voiced loudly enough (ie in a large majority) ...some attention should be paid.

Originally Posted by JR

Everyone tends to act as if we can have perfect politicians creating a perfect government. My point about my remarks about Clinton is that anyone can go on a tirade about Clinton, his sex scandals, rapes, white water, stock scandals, lying to congress, bombing kosovo without UN Permission and so on. I dont have a problem with Clinton. Thats what you will probably never see with your political tunnel vision. Clinton and Bush are two sides of the same coin. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. To say one is more corrupt, more priveledged or more pure of character is absolute absurdity and ignorant in my opinion. Any person who wants the job is the worst person for the job.

I agree with the part in bold, most wholeheartedly.

Originally Posted by JoesHO1

GW has put the USA on a fucking mass suicidal train wreck and drove us completely in to the friggin ground on all fronts, domestic, foreign, constitutional history..

financial, polorization I mean the list is endless

I agree with that most wholeheartedly too, and my political perspectives and opinions, don't change the fact of that statement...