$2.4 Trillion? That's the kind of big government the left loves. Why do the Dems hate Bush so much? Because he is religious? Because he retaliates with military force? Weird. He sure isn't a Conservative.

Because he has an R next to his name.

Because of the Patriot Act and social conservatism. And we don't like where he's spending the money.

You don't like the $400 Billion turned into $500+Billion Prescription Drug for Seniors boondoggle??? I don't like it and I'm libertarian. Conservatives don't like it. You (liberal) don't like it. Who likes it besides seniors???

And many of the seniors are finding out it's not such a great deal either. Seems some of the supplemental Medicare insurance policies have now dropped their prescription plans.

There's an interesting article in this week's TIME. Most of the top 10 most expensive drugs are for high cholesterol, high blood pressure and depression. One wonders if many of the people taking these could save $$$$ by eating right and getting non-drug therapy for depression. <_< I have a feeling that a very high number of prescriptions are being over prescribed and with the government now covering it, there's no reason for anyone to stop it.

You don't like the $400 Billion turned into $500+Billion Prescription Drug for Seniors boondoggle??? I don't like it and I'm libertarian. Conservatives don't like it. You (liberal) don't like it. Who likes it besides seniors???[/b][/quote]
seniors love it and seniors vote.....

funny how in a two party system where the voting population is split pretty much evenly down the middle, both sides can be 100% sure they are doing the right thing and that they are correct while the other side is always wrong.

its got nothing to do with facts or reality... its just a primative defensive mechanism.

And yet one side can be right and the other wrong.

said it before and I'll say it again

Republicans - rich white guys
Democrats - rich white guys who feel guilty

And yet one side can be right and the other wrong.[/b][/quote]
i think either side can "believe" they are right and the other is wrong. but the "proof" is always subjective. as Colin said earlier, even a scientist who should in theory, be the most objective of people usually starts with a belief in something and then forms a theory or hypothesis and then keeps working through the math until they meet up with the results they expect to find that proves them correct.

in the end, it just depends on which side of the story you are telling or which half of the evidence you want to offer as proof and which set of facts you choose to ignore. even something as factual, logical and objective as numbers can be used to tell horrible lies.

saying Liberal vs Conservative is right or wrong is kinda like a Jehovas Witness saying a Seventh Day Adventists "has got it all wrong... again"



Last edited by JR at Feb 2 2004, 02:00 PM

Damn Vick! I wouldn't mind being either of those, shoot I am half way there now, I'm already a white guy.:)


spaz

basically true.

I think it boils down to flavor of Jesus worship.

Republicans tend to attract the more "conservative" Jesus lovers, Ashcroft types.

And that is never good.

basically true.

I think it boils down to flavor of Jesus worship.

Republicans tend to attract the more "conservative" Jesus lovers, Ashcroft types.

And that is never good.[/b][/quote]
you forgot to mention they are also most strong supporters of Israel....

oh my.....

Yes, and I find it more than mildly ironic.

Conservative xtian republicans hate every major leftist movement Jews have been involved in, yet they have to suck their cock for prophetic reasons.

Israel is xtian tool, it needs to exist in order to validate the xtian take on the "bible". Once Jesus comes it does not matter anymore, they have not accepted Jesus as the true savior and they will all burn in hell. Assuming evangelicals are correct in their interpretation.

I could care less so long as both sides watch their children, as well as their faith, die.



Last edited by [Labret] at Feb 2 2004, 03:53 PM

Since you COULD care less, then are we to assume that you care somewhat?

Sure.

I am sad when only half the bus goes up and there are survivors.

I like Israel because I hate Islam and Israel kicks the crap out of Islam every once in a while. This is also why I like the Hindus -- they smack down the muslims every once a while, too.

But I don't like giving Israel a dime.

The ONLY kudos I will give to Israel is they love their history and will protect the historical monuments to the death, although they tend to neglect any historical and archaeological evidence that stands to refute their claims.

Israel would be a great place if it were not for all the Israelis. I do not want Palestinians to control "Israel", nor do I want Zionists in control. When the Zionists are gone, then we can turn on the Palestinians.

It is far too important of a place to be controlled by zealots on either side.

Now what makes you think it is so important? Just curious.

Labret, if your mother fucked a Jew, it's NOT good reason to hate the nations....he wasn't perfect, live with that
;-))))

and as long as God of Abraham lives, Jes don't give a flying fuck what labrets want..
Baruh Hashem for that
;-)))

God of Abraham, thats a good one.

Question.

Since the OT is replete with stories of God allowing great punishments to fall upon Israel, and Elohim is always making threats of punishment, why do people not view that current conflict in terms of it being another punishment in a long line of punishments that your loving God has bestowed up Israel? If the "God of Abraham" was on Israel's side, would he not destroy the enemies of Israel in much the same way he did countless times before?

I think its because none of you are true Jews, you are all converts. No covenant blood flows through your sullied veins.

of course not!
God of Abraham read Nitzshe and a true beleiver that:
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger
;-))

I srael was BEFORE labrets, and will stand strong after the last labret bites the dust...

of course not!
God of Abraham read Nitzshe and a true beleiver that:
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger
;-))

I srael was BEFORE labrets, and will stand strong after the last labret bites the dust...[/b][/quote]
"I srael was BEFORE labrets, and will stand strong after the last labret bites the dust... "

Probable, but not necessarily so. There are a lot of knives out for that little chunk of dirt populated by settlers.

For one thing, he cut taxes....that really ticks off most democrats. Unless you only cut the taxes on those people who make so little that they do not pay any taxes to begin with....

For one thing, he cut taxes....that really ticks off most democrats. Unless you only cut the taxes on those people who make so little that they do not pay any taxes to begin with....[/b][/quote]
He can't afford to cut taxes. He has no room to manoeuvre. Who is going to pay for his overseas adventures? You aren't one of those guys that still believes in trickle down are you? :rolleyes:

the country can be destroyed,
Judaism is not...5000 years history make it a FACT acceptable even by scientists
;-)))

the country can be destroyed,
Judaism is not...5000 years history make it a FACT acceptable even by scientists
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Sorry Serge, I was talking about the state of Israel. That is fragile. Judaism is kind of like the Catholic church and the energizer bunny. It just goes on and on and on.
The State of Israel, on the other hand could evaporate in a heartbeat. In fact if it wasn't for the US, it probably would not exist today. Not science, just a pretty educated guess.
Don't get me wrong, I am not denying its right to exist. I have been there a few times and I do enjoy the land and its people. I have even gone the extra mile to help out many refusniks in the past. But Israel feels kind of feels "temporary". And unless they take down that freekin fence, they will lose any good will they have developed and/or lost in the last few years.

Sorry Serge, I was talking about the state of Israel. That is fragile. Judaism is kind of like the Catholic church and the energizer bunny. It just goes on and on and on.
The State of Israel, on the other hand could evaporate in a heartbeat. In fact if it wasn't for the US, it probably would not exist today. Not science, just a pretty educated guess.
Don't get me wrong, I am not denying its right to exist. I have been there a few times and I do enjoy the land and its people. I have even gone the extra mile to help out many refusniks in the past. But Israel feels kind of feels "temporary". And unless they take down that freekin fence, they will lose any good will they have developed and/or lost in the last few years.[/b][/quote]
J, I let Israelies decide what's good for them, and if they beleive that fence is good- than it's good.

As for good will....fuck the good will,
good will haven't get anybody anything in this life, only actions achieve that.

J, I let Israelies decide what's good for them, and if they beleive that fence is good- than it's good.

As for good will....fuck the good will,
good will haven't get anybody anything in this life, only actions achieve that.[/b][/quote]
Problem is, that it is not their decision to make. They are stealing land with that fence. It will not last. Kind of like the Berlin wall. Its gotta come down. You know that, I know that, and the rest of the world knows that. Its just a matter of time.
And we do agree about one thing today. They will be judged on their actions.

stealing land?
by putting fence on their BORDER???

whatta you talking about, willis?

judged by WHOM?????

if they are obliterated from the face of the Earth,
I don't think they care much about "judgements" and to avoid that fate, they have to do EVERYTHING to prevent it.

"stealing land?
by putting fence on their BORDER???"

That is a very, very arguable comment. Just because they say it is their border, doesn't make it so. Its kind of like putting a settlement down in disputed land and saying its Israel. It flies in the face of justice and international opionion. Ultimately, international pressure will prevail. No country is above that kind of pressure. That is what America failed to realize last year and is only now beginning to pay the piper. And that is your tax dollars, bud.

just because others say its not their border does not make it so.

so....?

me being withing TOP 5 taxpayers on this board,
I don't care about my tax dollars and how they are spent,
I let people who pay very little or NOTHING in taxes to worry the most about it.

As for disputes about land/border,
what 2 words "Oslo Accord" mean to you?

me being withing TOP 5 taxpayers on this board,
I don't care about my tax dollars and how they are spent,
I let people who pay very little or NOTHING in taxes to worry the most about it.

As for disputes about land/border,
what 2 words "Oslo Accord" mean to you?[/b][/quote]
This is only one piss ant board in a country of 250 million. I have no idea how much you make, but you talk about it a lot. Could be just a marketing ploy for all I know. Also, I am not quite sure how you arrive at that top five statistic unless you have access to a whole lot of tax records. In the real world, I am sure your income is irrelevant. Just spit in the oceandude. If you were an international player, you would not be posting here.

The Oslo Accord....two words....they mean a lot. There are tons of agreements that can be quoted. "Balfour declaration" for instance. Its all history and an argument that just goes round and round and round. Kind of like who was here first kind of thing. What does matter is what will and should happen before more people on both sides die for what will be the obvious conclusion. Israel will return to its 1948 boundaries. The Golan will be Syria again. The Palestinians will have their own country. Not another "homeland" situation like the SA govt. gave to the blacks. And there will be peace. That is what will happen. Now how many people have to die along the way, is up to the armies of both sides of that senseless dispute. And as long as America keeps funding the Israeli war machine, the conflict will be prolonged. It is time the Israelis stood on their own two feet and I think settlement will come more quickly and fewer people will die. Oh and as for two words, what does
Sabra-Shatilla mean to you?
We gotta stop this two word thing. It could go on ad nauseum.

you haven't memorized FUCK YOU AND YOUR FEELINGS post, have you?

BIG MISTAKE,
would save you lots of agrevation...

you surelly can....no arguments from me...go for it!

I love people who solve problems they have no clue about!

Can you impress me even more?

you surelly can....no arguments from me...go for it!

I love people who solve problems they have no clue about!

Can you impress me even more?[/b][/quote]
But Serge, there you go again making specious assumptions. I actually do know something about it. Its easy to dismiss without addressing one question. I guess you ain't as rich as you make out. I had a feeling. But money has nothing to do with this issue anyway.
Here impress me.
When did you serve in the IDF and in what unit?

and what have I said about your feelings?

MEMORIZE
"FUCK YOUR FEELING" post

and what have I said about your feelings?

MEMORIZE
"FUCK YOUR FEELING" post[/b][/quote]
Serge it seems this is all about your feelings. You are trying to dodge the bullet. I guess the IDF has never figured in your life. There are those that talk and those that put their ass on the line for what they believe. I am always impressed by those who put "courage" behind their convictions. Chequebook warriors are a dime a dozen.
Large talk does not save lives. It loses them.