Morning all,

ny - damon@elitecash.com
not sure if you have been getting my emails and voice mail, but let's take care of this design payment.

thanks in advance

todd
888-999-4554
sextoyking

RRed,
Why don't I just sell you double opt in emails
@ USD1.00 per....you owe me $35m ;))
Nick Fuck it,we will even help you :))

ha Nick Join the club. Join4FREE!
RRRED Wegcash / Join4free

RRRed,
"""Find demand, find how to fulfill it with other people efforts and you have it made."""

A pearl indeed...in fact my new biz model :))
Nick

Nick..

It worked for Reagan !!


SP

>>>>I nominate this for a Pearl ..

"Find demand, find how to fulfill it with other people efforts and you have it made." >>>>>

ROLF... oh my side

Anyhow, for some reason half the emails that I got on Saturday entirely disappeared. There probably weren't that many but if anyone needed something, please resend. Sorry about that
RRRED Wegcash / Join4free

SP,
I am President....but I'm a bit more like a Ronnie Reagan president,rather than a FDR :)))
Nick

haha

Good to know that now !! ;-)
SP

SP,

I do very little work ;))

Nick

SP,

Hit me up on ICQ 21239908 please.

Looks like we got a winner.


Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

Timon...

I have heard that your pricing perception is not the only thing that is twisted !!! ;-)

Hey Nick,

ICQ me when you get a second...

SP
SP

Serge, you do NOY know how to spell CERTIFYED? ;-)

Timon

Morning oprano :))
Nickatilynx (The Internet's No1 Crook, CERTIFYED!)

Thanks, Timon. ;-)

Wig ACH Debit

what are you talking about, Willis!?
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You know what I'm talking about, Houdini! ;-))

Timon

NOY see thry?
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what are you talking about, Willis!?
;-))
Serge

Serge, NOY see thry?

Wow I will buy it as soon as I figure out what that means ;-))

Timon

An older 850 wil cost you more than $15k. I sold mine with 70k miles for $29k.
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Hm, maybe my pricing perception is a little twisted because
I live within walking distance from Germany ;-))

Timon

I just sold my 840ci. They are GREAT cars. Drives like a much bigger car. Very heavy, so it was a little slow off the go, but it flew on the highway with great pickup.

Had it 3 years though and my wife got tired of it.

An older 850 wil cost you more than $15k. I sold mine with 70k miles for $29k.
SP

Timon,
I saw on TV interesting thing:
see thru plastic cover which is NOT see thru for the cameras...

I'm sure you can find them on the net
;-))
Serge

Wig yes I did, I will go over it and get back to you tomorrow.

Timon

ello
Optional

Timon,

Did you get my email?
Wig ACH Debit

Isn't there a spray you can put on your licence plates so it will show up blurred on any of those cameras? Check it out bud.
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Is there? that would be sweet ;-))

What I always do is wait for another speeding driver
and then follow him, when I see a flash I hit the brakes and
only the guy in front of me will get screwed... doesn't work
in daytime though...

Timon

I've got it in a dark blue so it doesn't look too flashy...

I think they haven't made any 850's for almost 10 years now,
you should be able to get one for about $15,000, buying one as a 2nd card to just take it for a
spin every now and then is not a bad idea...

Really too old to have as your primary vehicle though I think...

Timon

"But Amsterdam is always jammed up so I walk or take the tram...
all the highways now have radar camera's in Holland so the
minute you go over 80mph you're screwed..."

Timon,
Isn't there a spray you can put on your licence plates so it will show up blurred on any of those cameras? Check it out bud.

Monk

I have to agree, the 850 is a stunning car. When I was looking to buy a BMW I saw one at the dealer and thought it was a new model. Not one that had been discoutinuted. So I had to settled on a M5
mustang

yeah, that's my only concern

maybe get the M3 and store the 8 series for those summer drives :)

what color is yours, T?
fp

If you want reliability I'd go for the new M3...

Buying used sports cars is pretty risky because people who buy
that type of car often abuse the hell out of them...

Timon

Wow.. all this talk about AVS sites has given me an idea.

Anybody who has an AVS site and wants a special deal contact me or Edd at Superpics.com and we will give you a St Patrick's Day Special !!

Remember AVS owners.. with Superpics.com you get..
Get paid to use free content
Save on bandwidth charges every month
Receive up to 35% of the recurring income from signups*
WEEKLY Payouts from CCBill!
Choose from 50 or 100 pic image galleries that rotate weekly
Exclusive content that won't be found anywhere else on the Web!

Now if I could just move up on the March Madness list I would be happy : )



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Can't decide between the new M3 or a classic 850csi

don't see many 8-series...beautiful cars
fp

fp, early 2001, nice car, looks like a sedan, drives like
a sports car ;-)

Timon

Mine too Mike...

But Amsterdam is always jammed up so I walk or take the tram...
all the highways now have radar camera's in Holland so the
minute you go over 80mph you're screwed...

Spending that kind of money on a car and not being able to
take it for a spin is worse than amputating your dick
and marrying Jenna Jameson ;-))

Timon

timon,

what year is your M?
fp

Not too mention that especially in this country if you primarily make your money in AVS you're gonna be one of the VERY last type of webmaster that will get hassles from the gov. Safest form of webmastering there is.
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Yes that's a good reason to run an AVS, at least you'll always
be able to prove that you were doing your best to keep kids
out of your site....

Fortunately I don't need to worry about my government making
problems for me over a few adult sites...

Timon

Ahhhh Aston Martin's are one of my favorite vehicles - one I am too poor to afford! :-)


Mike AI Great content for you....

LOL Timon.

Seriously though, I asked RB one time in a chat if he ever regretted getting into the paysite and program aspect of the biz. Kinda surprised him with the question and if I remember correctly he stated that while he didn't regret it he could understand people who wouldn't want to deal with the MANY headaches that come with it even if the rewards can be quite great.

Not too mention that especially in this country if you primarily make your money in AVS you're gonna be one of the VERY last type of webmaster that will get hassles from the gov. Safest form of webmastering there is.






TheEnforcer Making Bank- where else can you get $84 per trial signup??

I don't have an Aston Martin, we don't have the mountain
roads to drive them on and it would be a crime to keep
a car like that in the city.... I have an M3

Timon

But doesn't this free traffic have an AVS pass already? :-)
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You would think so, but back in the day just sitting on the linklist of a good AVS would get you a ton of signups. They must have been getting fresh traffic from somewhere.

Believe me, I don't think AVS is the greatest solution for webmasters. It was a great place to start out and learn and I made a ton of money. I think there are better avenues I could have chosen earlier though.


Blaze!

Timon, which Aston Martin do you have?


Mike AI Great content for you....

Also there is a segment of the adult community that want absolutely NOTHING to do with the day to day headaches that come from running your own paysites or partner program.
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I can see why because it will give you even more headaches
down the road....

Managing large parts of real estate and keeping an Aston Martin
in mint condition are a real pain in the ass ;-))

Timon

IN a foreign language.
Colin 4 Free, 4 Free, 4 Free .. and Shazam!

Luna,

That must be a VERY DIFFICULT book to read not in a foreign language.
Colin 4 Free, 4 Free, 4 Free .. and Shazam!

Well Timon and others.. AVS is just an extension of free sites IMHO and you get way more bang for your buck on the return as I do believe AVS sites have just as good if not better recurrings than many paysites AND you get PRE QUALIFIED traffic that you can get even MORE sales to paysites and other stuff too. It can be looked at as the ultimate filter. You get a pre-qualified customer to upsell and they get someone who recurs like crazy cause they get regular updates on sites and of course their upsels they have as well. I've talked to many a webmaster who would take AVS traffic over SE traffic.

Also there is a segment of the adult community that want absolutely NOTHING to do with the day to day headaches that come from running your own paysites or partner program.






TheEnforcer Making Bank- where else can you get $84 per trial signup??

I must admit I am no expert on AVS but even if you do get
recurrings you still have to share them with the AVS owner....

" The lure of AVs in the old days was free traffic and an easy sale."

But doesn't this free traffic have an AVS pass already? :-)

Timon

But as has been said earlier the real winners were the AVS owners.
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really????

http://stats.sexcheck.com/webmasters/index.php?

is the only AVS I know which mails checks weekly.
Serge

You do get recurrings with AVS. The lure of AVs in the old days was free traffic and an easy sale. just putting up the sites and doing absolutely nothing else would get you a fat check. People realized this and flooded the AVSes with crap sites, effectively killing off many of the programs.

There are loads of people making several hundred thousand dollars...even millions annually off AVS. But as has been said earlier the real winners were the AVS owners.

Blaze!

I don't mean to put anyone down or anything but I have never
understood why someone would be selling signups to his own
websites to other people...?

Why take a one time fee and give your recurrings to another
person if you can have 100% of that money??

AVS just doesn't make sense to me...

Timon

MJH is correct, you CAN make a lot of cash in AVS. But I have to say that if I had chosen the paysite route earlier instead of AVS I would probably be living in East Boca instead of West Boca.

Oh well, still making more than I ever thought possible.
Blaze!

It would be a bitch to burn and pack a thousand of those
cd's on a daily bases though...

It would be almost like working ;-))

Timon

The higher the better ;-))

Timon
**********************

...and the reasons why are BELOW
;-)))
Serge

that the sponsors will catch on and put some fire and excitement back into the industry, kick it up a notch! :)

Cynd
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Cynd,
I can't agree more and I don't wanna sound philantropical, not my cup of tea, ask anybody who runs "webmasters auctions"
;-)


for us, you and me,
every time there is a new spiral in evolution,
the board space is getting more and more valuable, as one might have the best product in the world but without proper marketting,
it's destinned to collect dust on the shelf.
"Nothign in this World is happeneing,
untill the SALE is closed"
(--Webfather)

so...let the big boys innovate and "kill each other" with innovations,
we'll sell "arms" to both sides
;-)))

Serge

"and raise the bar on what people expect for their porn dollars."
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Oh yeah we're REAL anxious about raising the bar as
high as possible...

The higher the better ;-))

Timon

Cyndalie

The CD idea is not particulairly new. It was tried in one form or another by 2 or 3 CDRom publishers who opened web sites, a few years ago. Pixis comes to mind with their Space Sirens series.

It was not a real winner for them. I don't know if it was too early in the evolution of the web, or lack of appropriate marketing. My guess is that it was a combination of both. I doubt they had a clue about webmaster programs and tried to do it all themselves, from the avenues they were most familiar with, such as magazine advertising.


Sharpie Be an early bird and $ave

Thanks Serge, this is just the tip of the iceberg of innovative ideas I'll be revealing over the next few weeks. :) I'm hoping, more than the individual webmaster, that the sponsors will catch on and put some fire and excitement back into the industry, kick it up a notch! :)

Cynd
Cyndalie Adult Marketing Resources

just a quick post....anyone out there who is looking for a win win pre paid traffic deal and a real phone # to back it up email me up cause i have some $$'s to spend on some real traffic and would love to talk with you. No BS stuff lets not waste each others time :)

btw Kitty, ...hope you get all the "sweets" you deserve

johnnybgood make some cash

Cyndalie,
interesting enough that few of Oprano sponsors are in pursit of just that and...
watch this place when their ideas unfolded fully,
the new chapter in e-commerce is closer than you think.

Serge

Cybdalie,
I don't like CD idea...
as it might only work in certain parts and have more liability than it's worth in other parts.

good try in the right direction,
IMO,
but...still not IT
;-(((
Serge

Hope everyone had a nice weekend.

I have a new article published at the Frog that I'd like some opinions on.

Adult Site Innovations: CdPaysites
http://www.cozyfrog.com/guides/other/articles/CDPaysites.asp

Basically I am looking to uncover and encourage new ways to sell more adult site subscriptions, reduce fraud, and raise the bar on what people expect for their porn dollars.

Feedback is appreciated!

Cyndalie

Cyndalie Adult Marketing Resources

Peaches,

You know how us hillbilly's are. Chris does have a perty mouth.

Oink Oink. ;-))
Wig

Good morning Oprano:)

hope everyone had a good weekend
.
Colin, I catch the book you post about Stephen Hawking, I was in the hurry, but did have time to grab and drop to my desktop, so last night I did a search in amazon.com, I am buying the book , seem very interesting, stay like hour and half look around for similar books include others from Stephen Hawking too, I was crazy to start read these stuff in english, I need buy a good dictionary too, even when I read in portuguese I have the dictionary on my side, very important for me to understand between lines, was a good recommendation , can't wait to have the book in my hands:o)
Luna (ass & grass) brazilianass

Hi Billy! :))

Hmmmm - thinking about it, I bet if we put Wig and Chris in an elevator alone for a few hours, I wouldn't be needed at all :)

Peaches

Peaches

How you doing : )

Pornoman giving blow jobs away again.. I guess you cannot keep a good man down : )


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Peaches,

Well, I figured if you can go down on
Chris in the elevator on your first
date why not for tree cutting? ;-))
Wig

PSAFX


Wig

Peaches, I was talking about instead of a blow job!
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Geeze, between you and Chris/Pornoman.........! A blow job for cutting trees??!! Now, if you buy me a house, THAT'S a different story :) Or pay the kid's tuition - though it might be less expensive to buy me the house ;) I can be bought, but I'm NOT cheap!

Peaches

Wig, what is the symbol?
Serge

Junk bond fund scare me.

I like The Prudent Safe Harbor Fund at this stage.

This fund holds high quality debt
instruments in currencies other than
the U.S. dollar, gold and silver
bullion, and gold shares.
This fund represents what amounts to
a short play against the U.S. dollar.

Wig

Peaches, I was talking about instead of
a blow job!

Do I need to leave the wife at home
next time. hahaha

Wig

<<How come all I got was two beers? LOL ;-))>>

I was just making sure you were sober enough to aim the cut trees in the right direction - my insurance company probably wouldn't believe two accidents in a week ;))

Peaches

interesting thing is,
BHY has the same coupon, but..NAV is $4 LOWER than price and it's mostly JUNK bonds!

things which make you go hummmmm
;-))
Serge

Morning Peaches!

How come all I got was two beers? LOL ;-))




Wig

Mornin Oprano!
ready to make some LOOT?
MrCash! Do you smell what the ROCK is cookin'?

Serge, that's sweet.

Clip that coupon, baby! ;-))
Wig

I am doing it just to meet other webmasters and make friends!!
chris $20.00 For Free AVS Signups...Highest Paying on the Planet
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Yeah, watch out folks - he expects a lot from "making friends"...I had to go down on him in an elevator the first time I met him - quite different from the normal handshake!


I know nothing about stocks and bonds, but Wig's wields a helluva chainsaw :)

Peaches

Wig,
NAV is 7.91,
price on exchange is...7.70, so you buy at DISCOUNT to NAV
Serge

CJ, we met at the FNP dinner, and the Player Hatters ball... I was the English guy there. :)
---

uh huh, now i remember! an excellent dinner with excellent company :-) it was great meeting you there :-)

what's your new avs project there in your tagline? are you selling advertising? would love some info if possible ... cj@sexhit.com

cj (vaginator) Plans for april?

Chris,

Cool.

LMK if you need our guys to do anything. ;-))
Wig

I nominate this for a Pearl ..

"Find demand, find how to fulfill it with other people efforts and you have it made."
*************************************

Colin,
I KNEW that you gonna like it....

what do you think webmasters chat board is????

quint essential fullfillment of advertising space demand using OPE....
Serge

What's the premium and yield?
Wig

Hey Wig,

Yep.. I just have to get the integration into the software..so I have to get programmers to do it.

:)
chris $20.00 For Free AVS Signups...Highest Paying on the Planet

Wig,
take a look what the mix of the bonds are:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020314/nyth127_1.html

it has 12.85 coupon with 65% of safety of..US treasury!

Unfucking real!

Serge

Hey, computer programs are people too!

I nominate this for a Pearl ..

"Find demand, find how to fulfill it with other people efforts and you have it made."

Colin TGP2 Bucks, Inc. $1/ fucking email.

Chris,

What's up? We still gonna hook you up?

Wig

How about a web design company?
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I know NOTHING about it,
but seems to me that eastern block countries beating US counterparts with speed and price....that's what I heard from end users.
Serge

Serge, what is that? a bond fund?
Wig

Serge,

How about a web design company?

That a good field?

My next venture.. should be open later today..




chris $20.00 For Free AVS Signups...Highest Paying on the Planet

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ACG&d=c&k=c1&a=v&p=s&t=my&l=on&z=m&q=l
is one heck of a trend....
Serge

Serge,

Just for reference, here is where they
are trading now:

99.29/USM
104.07/TYM


Wig

buying 5-10 years maturities can give capital appreciation by Sept on top of higher yeilds?
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Yes, I think there is a good chance
for that.

However, Bonds and Notes CANNOT give
weekly closes below 98.06/USM and
102.17/TYM for the uptrend to remain
in force.
Wig

Colin, I used to be the biggest webmaster Adult Check had, I made a fair amount..
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...and something I came to realise back in 1996,
there are much more money and it's not in big the biggest,
but rather being in the middle of LOTS of different size webmasters.

the whole "brokerage" idea was based upon just that.

Find demand, find how to fulfill it with other people efforts and you have it made,
and seems like AVS OWNERS found just that.

Same applies to TGP owners,
Hun doesn't make a single gallery, but lives quite well of
OPE
(other people efforts) for which I tip my hat off.

PK got it right in 1996,
the earlier one realises that - the more one can make.
Serge

Colin

You have email

MJH
MJH MegaMasters - AVS Resources

I still see Bonds and Notes holding
current levels, with a likely
advance (price, not yields) into
September/October before a bear
threat emerges.
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cool,
IOW,
buying 5-10 years maturities can give capital appreciation by Sept on top of higher yeilds?
Serge

Oh yeah, since stocks have started off
this week with a rally (and likely
test of resistance first), I think a
guy should be shorting this move big
time.

PS - I still believe the best place to
park "safe" money is in Gold based
derivatives. ;-))

When the sentiment changes, there
won't be a chance to got on that
train. ;-))
Wig

MJH,

How much per month was that?
How many sites did that require?

If not willing to share in public and you could share privately, hit me at
cowboysurfers@yahoo.com

If neither, that's cool too. Maybe you'll share the ratio of $/sites.
Colin TGP2 has been around 9 months now.

Serge, there's money in AVS, good money..
**************************

...and the only sponsor Oprano had which went belly up was..
AVS sponsor.....

gotta be something poisonous in the mix.
;-))
Serge

Serge .. I understand your position. Different Strokes for Different Folks. I wrote this in 1999 and something just like it in 1997.

Small change sometimes seems like small change until you automate and find new and much larger scales to work at. On that note, I don't know anything about AVS.

----------------------------------

"Automate redundant tasks. To quote GP, "learn perl .. automate." Anything you are doing over and over again on a daily basis, either program yourself or hire someone else to do it. We have spent 100's of hours in automating tasks but it will save us 10's of thousands of man-hours this year freeing us up to explore new ideas. Our whole strategy so far has been this.

Think .. idea .. expand idea .. automate it .. think .. idea .. expand idea .. automate it.

We feel this is much better than:

Think .. idea .. expand idea .. work .. work .. work .. work .. work .. work .. work .. work.

Expand, expand, expand. ;)"

Colin Other stuff I wrote in 1999.

Serge,

I still see Bonds and Notes holding
current levels, with a likely
advance (price, not yields) into
September/October before a bear
threat emerges.

For the shortend of the curve, I see
conolidation at these levels.
Although, I believe that short term
rates will not go much lower (if at
all) and will eventually rise
substantially over the next few
years.

Again, from a cycle perspective, my
work is telling me the turning point
is like to wait until at least
September.

Sorry I don't have anything juicy here. ;-)
Wig

can you tell me which processor will be the next DMR?
*********
I dunno...but with the way IBill's doin' business lately..
they could be toppin' the list.
8-O
Runk Got Gay Traffic?Give It Up

Morning All..

CJ, we met at the FNP dinner, and the Player Hatters ball... I was the English guy there. :)

Serge, there's money in AVS, good money..

Colin, I used to be the biggest webmaster Adult Check had, I made a fair amount.. I sold them all last year though ;) As Serge said though there's only so much you can make being paid 60% and not having access to the raw data. that's why I sold... No matter how much I worked I could seem to work and earn any more.. The real big winners were the owners.

Torone, Lyford is an area of an island in the Bahamas.
MJH MegaMasters - AVS Resources