however our my conversations with you are quite memorable.
********************************

and now let's sing all together:

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamorriees!
;-))
Serge

are you reffering to the version of Canadien dialect Nick@Ilynx talks?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
can't say I have ever had the pleasure of chatting with Nick,
however our my conversations with you are quite memorable.



Blondy

What about smooth talking??
Blondy
*************************

are you reffering to the version of Canadien dialect Nick@Ilynx talks?
;-)))
Serge

Serge
Do you get lots of public rest room sex that way? How do you feel about glory holes?
****************************

nope,
I would NEVER violate Meni's trust...
why do you think he comes to Florida so often?
;-))
Serge

to yell from public toilet out loud,
Occupied, Occupied!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
thank you so much for the chuckle

What about smooth talking??
Blondy

my voice is only good for one thing:

to yell from public toilet out loud,
Occupied, Occupied!
****
Serge   
Do you get lots of public rest room sex that way? How do you feel about glory holes?

Cleo_LinkUP (traffictarian)

Will you be singing in the leading role Serge?
Blondy
******************************

Blondy,
my voice is only good for one thing:

to yell from public toilet out loud,
Occupied, Occupied!
Serge

Please do.... its like a thorn in my paw! ;-)
Optional
**********************

Opti,
it's a hot day today and if something happens at the party due to my overindulgence with alcohol,
I'll send e-mail in the morning and confess-
Opti made me do it!
;-)))
Serge

wait 'till I produce Broadway Musicle,
"Oprano"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Will you be singing in the leading role Serge?
Blondy

I'll see Zooted today at the party,
I'll pass your Hello!
;-)))
Serge
*********************************

Please do.... its like a thorn in my paw! ;-)
Optional

Serge, sometimes you are saying very strange things.
*******************************

only SOMETIMES?????

wait 'till I produce Broadway Musicle,
"Oprano"

I wonder what you gonna say than!?

;-))
Serge

where can I go from here?????
--------------------------------
there is a bright side... since you have already hit rock bottom, things can only get better.

I hear Zimbabwe needs journalists

JR

damn...misunderstood by amaricans and misunderstood by russians...

where can I go from here?????

can anybody recomend me some nice Jewish Lesbians board???

I gotta find my peace somewhere!
;-)))
Serge

I do not know how to explain that home is where i park my 38ft Scarab, Ford Navigator and sit in my jacuzzi on the deck, while looking out over the yacht club and eating grilled scallops and shrimp.

if i did know how to explain it... would it help?

JR
************************

nope, you still be a subject of pity and how you are being exploited by American Capitalistic unHumane machine!

;-))
Serge

I read Krutop daily,
and when "krutop" uses "amerikos",
it has nothign to do with american politics,
it has EVERYTHING to do with your brainwashing machine!
----------

Serge, you are a little mistaken again. :-)

If I don't like what some exact american person (or persons) do - I can call him (them) "amerikos" - it shows, that I'm "a little" pissed of by those actions.

It's like some american people start calling Russians "cheater, ivan, boris, etc" or saying that all russians drink vodka all the time, etc...

It's just one of the ways to show my disrespect to some specific _persons_.

But that doesn't mean I can call any american "amerikos", or I hate them all, or anything else...

Why should I care about all and any American?

Tell me, why should I care?

I don't care.

I have some american people, which I do not like. They did something bad against me or other people I care. This a reason for me to dislike _those specific people_.

And there are also some american people, which I like. I have few American friends and I have my uncle and other relatives living in USA.

Should I hate them too?

I love my relatives...

And I have also friends, which went live to USA... Should I have them also?

Serge, sometimes you are saying very strange things.

Why would I (or almost any other Russian) hate all americans?

We are no the "land of evil", we are usual country. May be a little bigger than some others, may be have some special history. But nothing else.

"Russians have children too" as one famous american singer says in his song...

Take it easy Serge and do not say such stupid things. It's not even fun.
Winter

Yeah, you don't really know how bad things suck when all you see is "suck". :-)
------------------------------------
this is truer than you may know.

imagine sitting in a small village with no running water, no electricity... nothing to eat, nothing in the stores, no clothes, no car... no sanitation, garbage everywhere, buildings crumbling, roads destroyed, etc etc etc...

then be hit with a question like asked with complete sincerity like, "where is better, Seattle or here"

i do not know how many times i have had that conversation. how do you begin to answer? what do you say?

i learned over time to answer...
"home is where you hang your hat"
"home is where your family is"
etc etc....

I do not know how to explain that home is where i park my 38ft Scarab, Ford Navigator and sit in my jacuzzi on the deck, while looking out over the yacht club and eating grilled scallops and shrimp.

if i did know how to explain it... would it help?

JR

Yeah, you don't really know how bad things suck when all you see is "suck". :-)

Alex
************************

exactly!

TV makes propaganda machine's work much harder
Serge

they watch TV and know how they REALLY compare to the West

Serge

------


Yeah, you don't really know how bad things suck when all you see is "suck". :-)

Alex
RawAlex findpics

But that's all is _foreign politic_ of the USA. It has nothing to do with American people.
********************************

ne pizdi!

I read Krutop daily,
and when "krutop" uses "amerikos",
it has nothign to do with american politics,
it has EVERYTHING to do with your brainwashing machine!
Serge

Hey I have to admit I don't like Zooted becasue they say no Australians...
***************************

I'll see Zooted today at the party,
I'll pass your Hello!
;-)))
Serge

Mr Cash, keep Serge around for awhile, we're going to be working on something soon and I need him alive because dead men can't talk. ;)


Ulfie

Morning all you Oprano fans.

I like russians, soviets, yanks, canucks etc.. :)
Blondy

Why do Russian's hate Americans?
I dont think they do... but the usual reason people hate each other is because they feel badly treated or fear the other.

Do you think Russian webmasters think American webmasters hate them?

I think they might... and George Junior's latest news to have a nuclear strike plan drawn up that includes Russia must be a "real help"

If you go look at many American affiliate program signup pages it says no Russians.. and the answer why is? Ummmm "too many cheats" well from an individuals point of view thats not fair treatment so i can see and understand why Russian Webmasters might seem to be more hateful toward Americans than regular Russian society..

Hey I have to admit I don't like Zooted becasue they say no Australians... Ive had an account there long before they put that rule up but they day I saw it I stopped sending traffic... So here's one voice that can relate to the shabby treatment Russian webmastrers get... and thats the one and only site i have ever seen to ban Aussies! I dont have a solution.. just can see why they feel ill feeling toward the west on a webmaster to webmaster level
Optional share the love

Hello people. :)

Serge is a little mistaken.

I don't think that 80% of Crutop Webmasters hate America.

They simply don't care about America.

A lot of guys didn't like what happened on Olympics. A lot of guys didn't like what happened in Yugoslavia and other things...

But that's all is _foreign politic_ of the USA. It has nothing to do with American people.

I do not like foreign politic of USA.

But why should I like it? I'm not American, so I'm not expected to like your foreign politic. :)

But I'm ok with american people. As much assholes as in the any other country. It's ok for me. :-)

We just don't care about everything as much as Serge cares. :) If some people said something bad about America after Olympics - Serge thinks that they everyone hate America. :)

It's ok. He has not been in Russia for years and he just forgot, that people here are pretty emotional. :)
Winter

Ulfie! what's up?

I tried very hard to rid the world of Serge this weekend...but it just could not be done..

the conspiracy is exposed!
MrCash

Russian peoples feelings toward US versus unsuccessful webmasters view of sponsers. Anyone see any similarities?


Ulfie

today it is just the new-
vorie v zokone
JR
***********************

who are, as you said before,
all the same faces and names from USSR times,
same people, different labels and...
for common Russian folk things ARE worse today than they were when I was there,
'cuz today in Information Age, they watch TV and know how they REALLY compare to the West
Serge

you can laugh all you want and wrongfully tell yourself "they just dont understand" but the opposite is true. for 90% of people in Russia, things went from bad... to fucked up beyond your wildest dreams in the last 15 years and they blame the west and western ideas for it
********************************

yeap, one thing hasn't changed in Russia in all those year...
it's ALWAYS been safer to point the blame on decadent West than upon decadent and criminal LOCAL rulers...
Serge

today it is just the new-
vorie v zokone
JR

russians feels that each thing that does not portray it in a positive light is propaganda. they are quick to point fingers and lay blame... yet suspiciously slow to explain the lies, the stealing, the missinformation or account for things like billions of dollars in foreign aid money... that got taken right from the mouths of 160 million people over the last 10 years from the IMF, World Bank and European Bank of Reconstruction & Development.
********************************

hahahahah,
reminds me of Hooper who runs ahead of the crowd and yells:
"catch the thief" when his own house is not in order
;-))

in Russian this syndrom is called:
"Derji Vora"
Serge

Gray
Sun, 10 Mar 2002 07:10:14 - IP: 195.114.131.144 - Post # 64062
*********************************

Gray,
and that's your explanation why Russia spews anti american propaganda TODAY????

sounds a bit weak to me...can you eleborate?
Serge

So NATO bombed Serbia to take the worlds attention off
the Monica Lewinsky case??
----------------------------------
one thing people in Western countries including bush do not seem to understand, is that the cold war ended only in the United States.

the people in most of the ex-iron curtain countries with their fingers on the button, or controlling large amounts of votes in parliment are the same people today, that were there 20 years ago. can you really believe they all just magically changed in their heart and soul overnight? the rhetoric softened a little... but the people still the same.

the same admirals
the same generals
the same politicians
the same government security organs

in russia the word "capitalism" replaced "communism"... Like communism did at the time it came about.. it was nothing more than a buzzword to manipulate the masses while fucking them in every hole possible to gain control of and retain power.

afterwards, The west sees the Mcdonalds and Pepsi commercials as a sign of the triumph of good over evil and do not see the millions of people that are still starving today, with no food, no pension, no heat, no electricity.

I do not understand why people think it is realistic to think that so many people changed a lifetime of beliefs overnight. the suspicions are the same, the fears are the same, the paranoia is the same and today are not only based on the propaganda they were fed all their lives... it is based on the reality they live today that confirms the propaganda.

russians feels that each thing that does not portray it in a positive light is propaganda. they are quick to point fingers and lay blame... yet suspiciously slow to explain the lies, the stealing, the missinformation or account for things like billions of dollars in foreign aid money... that got taken right from the mouths of 160 million people over the last 10 years from the IMF, World Bank and European Bank of Reconstruction & Development.

these are the same people on TV everyday still shaping the opinions and beliefs of the masses. These people are on tv today... not really lying... just telling half the truth.

the masses... as always, know not to believe anything they hear or read... then for some fucking reason beleive everything they hear and read.

people in western countries do not appreciate the real dangers that still lurk in a society that was taught most of their lives to hate you, your beliefs and everything you stand for. Then had everything that followed the collapse of communism only reaffirm everything they were taught to believe about capitalism and free market economies.

their lives got worse
they have no food
theft and drug use went off the charts
they lost their pensions
the economy was over-run by thieves stealing billions
crime became the rule of law.

you can laugh all you want and wrongfully tell yourself "they just dont understand" but the opposite is true. for 90% of people in Russia, things went from bad... to fucked up beyond your wildest dreams in the last 15 years and they blame the west and western ideas for it.

--just another perspective to keep in mind.

Russia did not show thousands of people leaving their homes in Kosovo with no clothes, shoes or documents everyday... they just showed the dead bodies in Belgrad from missiles. they did not show executed bodies... they showed a bombed out TV station in Belgrad where 16 were killed.

they did not talk about the history of the Balkans and the 4 wars Miloslovich started, the attrocites, the destruction of a country and it subsequent division into 4 parts... massacres like Serbrenica where more than 7000 people were executed by serb troops etc etc etc...

in fact, they did not want to mention that anyone can read the transcripts of the warcrimes trials at the Haugue online.

they just talked about "poor oppressed slavik brothers and NATO/Western aggression" followed up with a bunch of "see i told you so, rhetoric"

so what would the perspective of the man on the street be in Russia?

JR

Serge, you heard about this?

Kamkin bookstore going out of business, they're going to send
two million Russian books to the
incinerator on Monday.

Kinda sad.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63646-2002Mar8.html
GP

Luckily, Serge wasn't tending his herd that day. ;)


Ulfie

Goat farm? I thought he blew up a camping ;-))

Timon

Actually, Clinton bombed an aspirin factory in the Sudan and blew up some goat farms in Afghanistan to keep the stained dress off the front page of the Daily Moron. Always keep your facts straight.


Ulfie

So NATO bombed Serbia to take the worlds attention off
the Monica Lewinsky case??

I thought it was to put a stop to the ethnic cleansing
campaign of Mr. Miloscevic... Or was that just a campaign
acted out for TV in Alaska?

What newspaper do you read? The Daily Moron?

Timon

Cheers!

I'm hoping somebody here can clear up my confusion, or at least today's bout of it.
A post here on March 1 had a link to ACHdebit in it's signature, with the tag "Got Canadian Checks?"

I went to the site and they write "US Checks Only" under their "Checks Accepted" feature.

Could somebody please clear this up for me?


Linc Your Balloon Fetish Megasite

Serge, you are wrong about age of Crutop masters nad their memory. I well remember American boycote of Olympics`80, President rally in 1984 in U.S. and SOI. Do YOU, Americans, remember it?
But the point is not that U.S. launched nuclear rockets in the cold war ages, bombing Tripoli, and not even because AMERICAN colonels trained Afgan soldiers - sounds funny, your army supported your current enemies - real point is that this country bombed Serbia just because its president had nothing to explain - why his sperm was found at Levinsky dress?
OK, that is the miracle - after an accident with Bush, Jr and salted cookies no country was bombed - to let Mr. President do not explain why his wife was so angry before it.
Gray

5 songs up, more to come soon
http://movies.vidspost.com/songs.html

spread the word, Messiah is back :)


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Atlas

This is my rifle and this is my gun (grab crotch). One is for fighting the other is for fun.

Erik
The Producer SoBeGirl 200 Amateur Video /Pic Sets and Growing

here comes another claim:
"I know where Jimmy Hoffa is burried"
*******************************
I wouldn't claim that, there's no way I'd throw him in the
old ex girlfriend pit ;-)

Timon

oh boy,
here comes another claim:
"I know where Jimmy Hoffa is burried"
;-)))
Serge

what's the difference between this gun and your dick????
*********************************
When I shoot with my dick I have to stay up all night
for seconds and thirds...

When I shoot with my Beretta I have to stay up all night
digging holes ;-))

Timon

but I find it hard to keep it totally still
when I pull the trigger...

Timon
************************

what's the difference between this gun and your dick????
;-)))
Serge

Want to take a ride in the Vette?

Cleo
***********************

only in Italy...I always wanted to be burried in there
;-)))
Serge

I have one myself, 92FS-Inox, beautiful gun
but I find it hard to keep it totally still
when I pull the trigger...

Timon

Serge
Want to take a ride in the Vette?

Cleo (bio hazard) motorcycles anyone

I better bring the bullet proof vests!

MrCash..
***********************

...and bullet proof hat also
;-))
Serge

I use Beretta, 9mm
it's not the most accurate gun in the world, but good enough for all intent and purposes
;-)))
Serge

I better bring the bullet proof vests!

MrCash..

I meant what do you shoot with? :-)

Timon

The Producer ,
this is one of the business where sticking to the rules is VERY important.

boating and shooting are 2 others
;-)))
Serge

THis whole TJ thing shows that webmasters are just bored. THey guy slept with a 14 year old girl and that is that. NOw he is gonna pay. If she looks young then dont take the plunge. Learn about USC 2257 Title 18. Read this. Remember Mike from L&M? He had a similar problem.

http://www.sobegirl.com/articles/Digging%20Deep%20Into%20Title%2018.htm

The Producer
SoBeGirl.com
The Producer SoBeGirl 200 Amateur Video /Pic Sets and Growing

the usual, practise targets, that's how it always begins
;-))

how it's gonna end is another story
;-))
Serge

meanwhile,
I'm taking Jim to the shooting range,
********************************
Cool, what do you shoot?

Timon

that's nice and risky :)
******************************

yeah,
that's what our Spam Bot says
;-)))
Serge

that's great,
Dig420's favorite host
;-)))

meanwhile,
I'm taking Jim to the shooting range,
let's see if conspiracy theory has merits or not,
if both of us come back-
maybe it was my imagination
;-))
Serge

It will be on a very good host, our mutual friend Tukhman
is taking care of that ;-))

Timon

wow, no registration process
that's nice and risky :)

let me introduce myself, i'm Atlas part of Cosmos and I hold the earth with my hands.

Serge,in 10min i'll have the first 5 songs up. Sorry for the delay.

Soul Rebel
Atlas

holla
Atlas Atlas

BTW,
get your new proggy on a good host,
I made arrangements for you to get 4-5 mils hits a day for a week...

;-))
Serge

Timon,
now you can make 2 funeral arrangements..
I almost killed Jim on the bike ride
;_))
Serge

Well that was an effective conversation stopper ;-)

Timon

so, basically, you agree with Dostoevsky theory...those were HIS words.
****************************
I am willing to accept that you can find the anwswer to the
question "why do 18yr old Russian webmasters hate America"
in his reasoning although I won't be shocked to find out it
could be something else....

Timon

I dont know Serge..
I fit in that age group, and I hate everything.

;-))
R3K

Yes that's a very effective way to breed hate... there's nothing
that dents ones ego more than being dependant on the one
you dislike ;-))

Timon
********************************

so, basically, you agree with Dostoevsky theory...those were HIS words.
Serge

Well theres your answer.. 18-25 year olds Hate EVERYTHING!
*********************************

not really...

my generation of 18-25 loved America,
for us it was some form of protest against Soviet Propaganda.

we traded in "forbidden fruits":
dollars,
jeans,
music...
the demand was HUGE!
the pair of American jeans was going for a month salary!

Serge (You only need to signup once to send hits to all of the Mr-Cash)

I think it plays a big part in their psychies, as they know darn well that without american surfer they will go back to bread and butter instead of driving foreign cars they love to brag so much about
******************************
Yes that's a very effective way to breed hate... there's nothing
that dents ones ego more than being dependant on the one
you dislike ;-))

Timon

vast majority of Krutop are 18-25 years old kids...
******************************
Well theres your answer.. 18-25 year olds Hate EVERYTHING!

and no i dont think it is politics.
Wrong age group.
R3K

Then I think it's like I said, jelousy,
a feeling of being left out in world politics...

Timon
***********************

...on top of Inferiority Complex and feeling of being left behind by 40 years in World Economy as well.


Serge

vast majority of Krutop are 18-25 years old kids...
******************************
Then I think it's like I said, jelousy,
a feeling of being left out in world politics...

Timon

It's funny, the Vietnamese, young and old, love Americans
and anything American... you'd think they're the ones
who hate the USA.

Timon
************************

well, this wouldn't contradict Dostoevsky, wouldn't it?
Serge

I can also imagine there is a bit of jelousy in there...
they don't like the fact that the US will go to war without
caring about what Russia has to say about it...

Timon
***********************

one of my explanations is along Dostoevsky lines from Crime and Punishment.

"We hate those who did us lots of good,
as they are constant reminders of our own inadecuacies"

I think it plays a big part in their psychies, as they know darn well that without american surfer they will go back to bread and butter instead of driving foreign cars they love to brag so much about
;-)
Serge

It's funny, the Vietnamese, young and old, love Americans
and anything American... you'd think they're the ones
who hate the USA.

Timon

Timon, R3K,
vast majority of Krutop are 18-25 years old kids...
most of them do not even remember the Soviet Union as they were born in Russia, after USSR collapse.

Before WW2 the villan was England, not USA...so this hate/fear is NOT genetic
;-))
Serge

I can also imagine there is a bit of jelousy in there...
they don't like the fact that the US will go to war without
caring about what Russia has to say about it...

Timon

why US?
***************
probably because they have lived in fear for decades that the
USA will wipe Russia off the map in a nuclear holocaust...

Timon

Biggest fish in the sea?

Symbol of power?

Old grudges?
R3K

If someone is brought up and told by parents, teachers, media
and government the USA is the enemy then I don't think he'll
change his mind overnight just because the cold war is over....

Timon

R3K,
yes, it has a merrit but than...why America?

There are lots of others russians could have chosen as villans,
why US?
Serge

Because everyone needs a common villain. Without one people go nuts, and have no common object to point hostility towards.

Who was americas villian before 9/11?

No one. There was no common evil for us to focus on.
IMHO
R3K

I don't know about trees, but I found interesting paradox which I can't fully explain.

I post regular on Russian Board.

80% of them hate America and americans like in the worst years of the cold war.

Fuckers live off american economy,
fuckers depend on their well being from America,
and...fuckers blame americans for all ills they could think of...

WHY?????
Serge

Ofcourse he is.. Trees never run away
*************************
Darwin might argue they will in a couple of years if
Serge keeps hugging them ;-))

Timon

Trees never run away
;-))
R3K
88888888888888888

or ask for child support!
;-)))
Serge

Didn't know you were a tree hugger Serge ;-)

Timon
-------------------------------

Ofcourse he is.. Trees never run away
;-))
R3K

Timon,
there are lots of things you don't know about me...
;-))
Serge

1) plastic is bad for environment
*********************************
Didn't know you were a tree hugger Serge ;-)

Timon

Yes Australian money is the best in the world, those bills
are indestructable..

Why not more countries use plastic bills is beyond me...

Timon

we have plastic money ...
********************************

I am disapointed...

1) plastic is bad for environment

2) it's hard to lite a cigar with $100 plastic bill
;-)))


Serge

Cops pulling over 2 old men on waverunners? Don't they
have any murderers to catch in Florida???

Timon
********************

on the way back we saw the same cops pulled 2 youngsters, only that time youngsters were in the water,
seems like they were given order:
step out of the vehecle!
;-))
Serge

waverunner overturned and my wallet got wet,
I still dry all the cash in the oven
;-))
---

we have plastic money ... on my holiday last week i carried a few 20 dollar notes around in my board shorts - swimming in pool, snorkelling in ocean, paddleskiing and a few tips off a waverunner and my money was still FINE!
cj (vaginator) $70 FREE signups, all day every day!!

first we were stopped by police,
they checked Jim's documents
*****************************
Cops pulling over 2 old men on waverunners? Don't they
have any murderers to catch in Florida???

Timon

waverunner overturned and my wallet got wet,
I still dry all the cash in the oven
*****************************
Wet wallet... uff that's bad. Sorry to hear that Serge, few
broken bones had been funny but wet wallet is no joking matter....

Timon

mikeai, you have a love-child???!! who was the daddy??!?!
cj (vaginator)
**************************

hahaahahhahahahahaha,
this si the funniest line I read in a very long time
;-))
Serge

Serge, no horrible freak accident on the water yesterday?
You disapoint me :-(

Timon
************************

Timon,
it was...
first we were stopped by police,
they checked Jim's documents in and out but let me alone, because russian translator wasn't available on their boat and I categorically refuse speaking anything else with officials!
;-))

Than some fuckface on the boat came from behind and tried to run us over,
Jim escaped and I wasn't that lucky,
waverunner overturned and my wallet got wet,
I still dry all the cash in the oven
;-))
Serge

>>> And there will be a Top Female prize

Wow, reeally!!! Who? Cleo? CJ? Rrred? :-)))

--

what are we prizes for?!

mikeai, you have a love-child???!! who was the daddy??!?!
cj (vaginator) $70 FREE signups, all day every day!!

Serge, no horrible freak accident on the water yesterday?
You disapoint me :-(

Timon

Timon,
my sources say they can afford each other
;_))
Serge

Mike, PK has expensive taste when it comes to cars,
don't promise her any ;-)

Timon