Thanks MikeAI - am much better
Still a little on the down low with a lot of work to get caught up on
Having dinner with the inlaws in a few hours

Sex and Religion and Death?

Oh God I'm Coming


Vick Kneel down Ye Sinners to street wise Religion, Greed's been crowned the new King

HAHA Sounds like fun Vick!

Glad you are posting more, missed your insights. Guess you are all healthy now!


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Everybody knows who created God. God's mom and dad. Mr and Mrs God.
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And we all know that god created Mr and Mrs God.

OK God, if you are really so omnipotent make a rock so big that you can't pick it up, wait you can do anything, silly of me you are omnipotent, now pick up that rock that you made.

Cleo (bio hazard) sexy farm animals, scary dikes, consoles from the devil and god herself

Hmmmmm
What about discussing Religion while you're having Sex with a Politician in public?

Vick Kneel down Ye Sinners to street wise Religion, Greed's been crowned the new King

Wow some deep discusions on Oprano today.

My mom always said it was not polite to discuss Religion, Politics and Sex in public.

She would laugh if she found out that is ALL we discuss here! They are the 3 prongs to all great discussions.

Love the fact we have people here with STRONG opinions, who are not afraid to voice them, and stand by them.


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also, i will throw in my two cents about religion.

almost all religion have two basic origins or foundations of their belief system.

1) the afterlife... representing peoples desperate inability to accept the finality of death

2) simple and convienent answers to mind boggling and often completely unanswerable questions.

just like in business... i stick to science. if i cant prove it on paper or with a calculator... its not a safe investment.

if someone is asking me to accept it on "blind faith", i have learned from experience that i will be let down everytime.

and i mean absolutely no dissrespect to Mr and Mrs God or any other member of the God family.
:-)
JR

Everybody knows who created God. God's mom and dad. Mr and Mrs God
0----------------------------------

i stand corrected... it all makes sense now!!

HAHAHA! thanks mutt!

JR

funny, i made that post about the image with the old woman/young girl... and you guys all slid right into a frenzy of unwinnable and pointless debates that illustrate everything i was talking about.
:-))

JR

serge is just being silly. Everybody knows who created God. God's mom and dad. Mr and Mrs God.

mutt

Luna,
if God created the Universe,
who created...God?
Serge  
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Serge my dear,
we even know or believe or proof who create the humans, imagine God, in my understand nothing is above God, and we can't forgot we humans develop only 10% of our inteligence, for me that can be explain in this way;
We only receive what our capacity support, what is only 10% , we can't accommodation 100% of information in a place what right now develop only 10%, we will, thousands years more. The pression of gravitate in our world is thousands of pounds, the mean this solar sistem need evolve much more to know better, when we evolve we go up in the space and as I say before the evolution is slow, how many thousands years the humans is old, four, five thousand, I am not sure, and we still develop only this 10%, so each time the Universe circumscribe at point of evolution in this solar sistem we go up just a little bit and when we go up we go versus gravitate force what make the pression of the gravitate over Earth very little little less, I am not sure, but if we folow the logic, maybe thousands years ago the pression of the gravitate was more then now, and by our evolution that came less pression, and the humans still rate each other, doing crazy and fanatic actions, and this humanity is thousands years old. So in my understand we need evolve lots more to receive more information, and that mean go up in the space, and how the humans can evolve little bit more fast?
Been better person, each one of us, with better feeling for everybody, understand the humans is not a lost cause, we are in the same boat going to the same place, forgive, understand and love each one in this humanity, but that will happen in thousands years more, because we still in war from each other, we need the dark to appreciate the light, when we have violence, we appreciate paz. We can't jump from 6 grade without past on 6,7,8...so the all information is there, more we evolve, more is give to us. But we want everything for yesterday, the world wasn't create in 7 days.
I can talk about this for days, weeks, months, is my prefer theme, so don't push , they gonna be bored.lol.

Luna (i give my ass to cleo) Atlas of Universe

i got the same problem. There's also a script out there adding crap to your bookmarks, i freaked out when i saw gay and kiddy porn in my bookmarks. Someday some poor innocent person is going to get arrested wrongly because of these little fuckers.

Trixscript guy is an Israeli right?
Man they have alot of cockholsters there.
mutt

P.S. Do NOT buy encrypted scripts from Trixscripts.com because he puts his own hidden code in it to get all your surfers search page changed to his affiliate programs. Makes you look bad and he makes money on your efforts.
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motherfucking, cocksucking PRICK!
Serge

Important! Help Please!

Does anyone know how I can get rid of Trixscripts.com's Search Page and Start page EVERYTIME I reboot my computer??

I remove it but as soon as I reboot, his start page and search page come right back!!

I wrote him several times but he ignores me because he has obviously sold hundreds of these scripts and screwed up many browsers worldwide.

Please someone tell me what gets rid of this annoying illegal abuse of my browser. Thanks

Dave
lewis2000@onebox.com

P.S. Do NOT buy encrypted scripts from Trixscripts.com because he puts his own hidden code in it to get all your surfers search page changed to his affiliate programs. Makes you look bad and he makes money on your efforts.

scripthell Automatic Web Page Maker Here.

Superstition -
2. An ignorant or irrational worship of the Supreme Deity; excessive exactness or rigor in religious opinions or practice; extreme and unnecessary scruples in the observance of religious rites not commanded, or of points of minor importance; also, a rite or practice proceeding from excess of sculptures in religion


Vick Kneel down Ye Sinners to street wise Religion, Greed's been crowned the new King

one man's ceiling is another man's floor


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mutt

What is one persons religion is another persons superstition.
Cleo_LinkUP (traffictarian) sexy farm animals, scary dikes, consoles from the devil and god herself

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I'm out of here! Have a great Sunday everyone...

LadyLaw It's a beautiful day in the neighbohood....

Existance of God?
The Improbability of God

http://atheism.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.secularhumanism.org%2Flibrary%2Ffi%2Fdawkins_18_3.html
Vick Kneel down Ye Sinners to street wise Religion, Greed's been crowned the new King

Something I love
another proof
Religion=superstition
Something made up to explain what the human mind can not find answers for
Does it stop anyone from going mad?

is God=Chaos
is God=only power is from faith invested by believers

Nietzsche - God is Dead
God - Nietzsche is Dead

Nietzsche wrote the words "God is dead," but he put them in the mouth of a character - a madman, no less.
Distinguish between what an author thinks and what characters are made to say.


Vick Kneel down Ye Sinners to street wise Religion, Greed's been crowned the new King

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52532

VERRY touching Memorial


Forest

Congratulations to Jordan and Brandy!! I totally agree Gary should send flowers, and I wish them both great happiness.


LadyLaw New Age Sensitive Men....

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I only warn about my father and only warn LadyLaw because she wanna become my back door mother
***

The only thing a man could do.. I understand. Not being able to scare yourself... has to be right up there with ohms law!!

DAMN!



dokk

meanwhile,
LL, today is Jordan's and Brandy's wedding, and it will be CLASSY of Gary to send flowers! and pay some respect!

;-)
Serge

Luna,
if God created the Universe,
who created...God?
Serge

Damn... you're scaring me!!!
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dokk,
I can't even scare myself,
I am an impotent, you know,
I only warn about my father and only warn LadyLaw because she wanna become my back door mother
;-)))
Serge

Serge: I thought the new model for trophy hunting was "Catch and Release", with documentary photos you blow up and put on your wall. Aren't we PC here? smile

LadyLaw New Age Sensitive Men....

In my understand , first of all that doesn't mean people who think like that own the all true of the Universe, because anybody do.

When people think about God, we always try make a image in our mint, and that make more difficult, is normal try make His image, God is a name we gave,because we need a refer, but this Power what create the all Universe is more then a name and nothing physic.
To try understand life and all situation inside this same life we need remount to everything cause, we can't analyze any effect from effect,
so, to analyze properly we need go back to the cause. Why we believe in this wonderful Power name God? We have to start think how this world begin, and I am talk about this world, because we can't forgot before this world been create we have already an infinite Universe with an infinite numbers of planets, solar sistems, galaxis and what else come above, and this all stuff is thousands, milions, bilions years light from Earth and this same Universe work an automatically move without interruption for infinite time. So, this all Universe and Earth of course as part of this Universe is an inteligent effect from of course an inteligent Cause, and I don't know any human with this powerful inteligence, so walk a little bit more in evolution, after the Earth be properly to receive life, we start having the first organism in the deep warm ocean, what was unicelular and to make short evolve belong thousands years to more complex organisms until the human, what have milions celulas in our body and we are inteligent the most evolve energy in this world at the point to discovery and analizy this same world, we can desintegration( I don't know if that word is properly in english), any material and see what elements is made everything, and we can put togheter talk about "unlive materia" , but, we can't recreate even a dead leaf, we can clone, but you no create anything, we co-create, we work with the elements what already exist. And the "unlive materia" look static for our poor sensors, but we do know inside this "unlive materia" is a microscopic world of atoms and moleculas of differents categories what is in constantly move. With or without our believe, this world evolve very slow for sure, but for us I think the big clue from this God is;
Doesn't matter if you are; Asian, American, Russian, Latin, black or white, fat or skin,rich or poor, PHD an anything or not. We have a body that die for the same reasons without or permission, we put out our physiologic necessity for the same place, when we cry is tears what came from our eyes, when we cut our body is blood what we see, when you feel headache is your head what is in painful not your foot, and that is without exception in all humans.
Sorry for the long post, but that is a very serious and deep talk,can't be only couple words and still an infinite talk about, the science don't stop study, I don't know much, but I do have my understand and believes about this all wonderful Universe and that can't be done from any human in this world, so I do believe in this Powerful Inteligence we name God.
The lines I wrote will be a mess maybe, I wrote in my stickie note and copy/paste . As I still have a phisyc body, I am off to gym:o)

God bless all.

PS. I am sure my english is a mess, hope they understand what I am trying to say, at the same time respect everybody believe.
Luna (i give my ass to cleo) Atlas of Universe

***
as you recall the only warning I gave you was:
"you might be fucked to DEATH"

man....
***

Damn... you're scaring me!!! Worse than that black and white sci-fi classic "attack of the giant leeches" ... (in case you think that wasn't a real movie, LOOK it UP on the internet!!)


dokk

That was exactly my point! To DEATH! I caught that! smile
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LL,
as you know, MAN is a "hunter" and unless the "trophey" is still breathing,
it ain't the real "trophey"
;-)))
Serge

***
1) copyrights issues/licenses
2) zip codes

you weren't much into content, so, it's gotta be Zip Codes she was pushing

***

i would have to take your word for it serge as you're exactly right about the content and the only zip code i could ever remember was my own... 30542!!!


dokk

That was exactly my point! To DEATH! I caught that! smile





LadyLaw

Opti!

I didn't either! It's just one of those things you keep forgetting.. like what I threw out in the garbage last year... ;-)
dokk

Why does the woman always have to die??
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as you recall the only warning I gave you was:
"you might be fucked to DEATH"

man....
;-)))
Serge

Dear Dokk:

Maybe you were married in a previous lifetime? Now there's a thought...

:)


LadyLaw The Hatfeilds and the McCoys....

dokk,
2 major other things Lee Noga is "famous" for are
1) copyrights issues/licenses
2) zip codes

you weren't much into content, so, it's gotta be Zip Codes she was pushing
;-))
Serge

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When is this event going to take place??
***

I haven't set a date LadyLaw, I have to see what my travel schedule is.. but most weekends anytime would be possible!!


dokk

***
can you racall how it all started with you and Noga?

was it during one of your radio shows?
***

Don't hold me to this.. but I think it started before the dim light bulb was invented.. what year was that? Damn Memory! I'm getting feeble in my old age..

;-((


dokk

The Indiana Jones, Last Crusade movie is one of my favorites, but the father/son tryst with the Nazi babe resulted in HER early demise. I agree "the results were not that good", for her anyway. Indiana and his father were fine. Why does the woman always have to die??


LadyLaw Last Crusade....

LL,
not really...I believe in separation between "church" and "state"
;-))

also...what you suggest only works in the movies, like Indiana Jones, The Last Crusade"
;-))

even there the results were not that good
;-)))
Serge

If I hooked up with your daddy, that make me your other mama? smile
Oh baby....


LadyLaw Love me tender....

Yeah, when did this clash of the titans begin between you and Lee? Enquiring minds want to know.
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well, dokk, you now have 3 requests
;-))
Serge

Serge, I like your daddy already. Is he single? smile
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well, word of warning,
he might fuck you to death,
he is one of those
;-)))
Serge

MEANWHILE BACK AT THE GRAVEYARD
Here lies Stanley Pons.
If I have not seen as far as others,
it is because giants stood on my shoulders.

(Stanley Pons was the guy who claimed to discover cold fusion,
and was crashed by the scorn of the physics community).

That's Better!


BobaJob lastpage

Dokk, I don't want to be at the BQ where you roast Lee (having no predisposition towards canibalism to date) but I'd love to see you turn a pile of meat into a culinary feast, southern style. smile When is this event going to take place??

Yeah, when did this clash of the titans begin between you and Lee? Enquiring minds want to know.

Serge, I like your daddy already. Is he single? smile
LadyLaw Love me tender....

dokk,
can you racall how it all started with you and Noga?
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Congrats Dokkster... didn't realize you had a new ..um.. lady in ya life >;)

Opti

dokk,
can you racall how it all started with you and Noga?

was it during one of your radio shows?
Serge

LadyLaw,
I hear you, my father shares the same views
Serge

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you think 12 hours of roasting make her "tender"
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Serge,

if you will re-read my post.. i said AT LEAST 12 hours to roast.. and .. i will put all cards on table... even using all my skills.. i don't know how long it would take to cook and could make NO guarantee of flavor or tenderness...

I just said I could ROAST it in at least 12 hrs.. it might take years to get it to proper temperature.. i've never cooked one that big!

dokk

Serge, hard question. Yes and no...I believe there is a higher power connecting us all, but I'm not so sure that higher power is as personal or as angry as traditional religion would have us believe. I have had some amazing spiritual experiences, so I'm convinced there is a spiritual realm.

For lack of a better word I do refer to the whole phenomemen as God. Religions are cultural/economic constructs and I mostly ignore their views on what is "God" and what "God" wants. My God is totally cool!


LadyLaw Church at Oprano....

wig,

i haven't set a date but any weekend i'm not on the road would be no problem! there are lake cabins close by, any nice and cheap hotels.. a campground on the lake 1 minute right down the street from here.. i forget.. i think it's like 5 bucks a night or some such... it's called "old federal campground" and i'm sure it can be found in any search engine!!

sure dude.. you could come!

;-)
dokk

adolfhitler is still good for 50/75k
se traf per 24 hours
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it doesn't resolve for me
;-(((
Serge

roast pig is no problem serge!!
that one's kinda big so it would need to cook for at least 12hrs.

;-(

dokk
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you think 12 hours of roasting make her "tender"
;-)))

I have my doubts
;-))
Serge

If you mean "voodoo" as some person... I'm up for any challenge and will take on all comers!!
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Dokk,
Voodoo is a real person,
and the way he cooks burgers and steaks (his own recepie on both)
still have the guests present when he did that recall his culinary art with full of saliva in the mouth
;_))

but...the way you described your,
I'm game to compare, let me know when is the next "big One"
;-)))

Serge

biggest gang i know they call the government
and the gang is a weapon
that you trade your mind in for
you gotta be just - be just like them
the gang
and the government
no different

that makes me
1%

trouble comes down
like a foot steppin heavy
shake your fist
at the bitch
or wave your money
you gotta be right
you gotta be right
don't be no
supper for a big fish
with the big lip
and the over -
bite - bite

Vick From the minds that .... and for the minds that .......

***
can you make BBQ roast of Lee Noga?
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roast pig is no problem serge!!
that one's kinda big so it would need to cook for at least 12hrs.

;-(

dokk

Well guys, it's been great; but I gotta go build/tweak some sites.

Dokk,
Wish I was there!
Torone

Dokk, Fishing? I'm in! When you doing
it? Lanier ain't too far from me.

Torone, i didn't just arrive. I have
been capitalist all my life. ;-))

Time to go to the barn and feed. Have
a good day, ya'll. ;-))
Wig

Serge,

If you mean "voodoo" as in the real thing... that would be cheating and is not allowed under subsection c of "nothing may be inserted into ass or any other part via mystical or physical means without prior permission of the competing cook"

If you mean "voodoo" as some person... I'm up for any challenge and will take on all comers!!

;-))
dokk

adolfhitler.com was just one of our attack sites diluting the traffic to wherever we wanted it to go...someone..you prob no who Serge
termed it crossover traffic.
Dean learn't us the trick in those days with his sport.com.

adolfhitler is still good for 50/75k
se traf per 24 hours

to dangous to operate after colobine
for sale going for silly money

thanx Serge ..this is not a spam:-)

Be Lucky


BobaJob lastpage

Just don't challenge me in a bbq cookoff.. I managed the old hickory house restaurant commissary for 5 years..
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can you make BBQ roast of Lee Noga?
;-)))
Serge

Serge, unfortunately "castration" comes
to mind. LOL
Wig

and I will *severely* outcook anyone who cares to cross forks with me!!!

;-)
dokk
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Dokk,
I think you still lose to Voodoo
;-))
Serge

Fishing on Lake Lanier at my place.. I'm cooking the BBQ myself dammit.. and it might be the second best thing ya ever put in your mouth..

Last year we had lobster tails, filet mignon, fresh giant gulf shrimp, salmon filets, bbq, hamburgers, hotwings, sandwiches, hotdogs and roasted corn....

It wasn't *too* bad.. ;-)

Anybody up for it?
Just don't challenge me in a bbq cookoff.. I managed the old hickory house restaurant commissary for 5 years.. and I will *severely* outcook anyone who cares to cross forks with me!!!

;-)
dokk

Wig,
Welcome to the Capitalist (dark) side!:)
Torone

I have worked hard my whole
life to do so.
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...and I happen to work hard on losing, by betting against you in stock market while you were working hard to create it
;-))
Serge

LadYLaw,
do YOU believe in God?
;-)
Serge

Torone, you misinterpreted the meaning.

It was not about good or bad. It is
an observation about how wealth in
general moves from one place to the
next.

Believe me, I am all for creating
wealth. I have worked hard my whole
life to do so.




Wig

Looks like you boys are having Sunday morning services over here. smile Have a great day!
LadyLaw Church at Oprano....

BobaJob,
that's good to hear!

BTW, what happened with my favorite Hitler Board???

I missed pissing with the nazies
;-(((
Serge

how yer doing Uncle:-)

ain't still doing 5/8 are yer?
Good Days-Good money

like the board ...

Bookmarked!!

Be Lucky :-)

BobaJob lastpage

Serge,
Oh, yeah! The old magician's double shuffle.;)
Torone

Wig,
"Let's face it. Wealth is like a
caravan of merchants. When they
arrive, everything is bustling and
green. When they leave, everything
is downtrodden and barren."

Not true. Wealth can do good things, or it can do bad things (i.e. Enron...I'm a stockholder).

My position is that there is nothing wrong with having/aquiring money. Many people have been taught to hate anyone with wealth; but...why? I had a wealthy uncle who owned vast numbers of oil-producing properties around Seguine, Texas; but I didn't hate him. I don't hate him now, even though he didn't leave me a dime. It was his money, aquired through hard work and business acumen; and he had the right to do with it whatever he chose.
Torone

BobaJob, is that you???????

how the hell are you????


Serge

MEANWHILE BACK AT THE GRAVEYARD

Here Lies Bill Gates

assassinated.

General Protection Error
JustBlob lastpage

Sept. 11 upset a lot of applecarts, and didn't do much for Bush's plans to decrease the size of gov't.
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If our so called representatives had
any nuts, there are plenty of places
they could reduce the size of Gov't!

Face, neither side wants to!

Wig

I'm still trying to get a handle on Sen. Daschle...Why does he get away with what he's doing?
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for the EXACT same reason Ron and me got away with it on YNOT in 1997...
for as long as 2 parties in power
piss with each other on the daily basis, the third party has no chance
;-)

"making peace" was the BIGGEST mistake we both made
;-)))
Serge

Glad to meet you, Atheist, I'm Agnostic, LOL!
Torone

Let's face it. Wealth is like a
caravan of merchants. When they
arrive, everything is bustling and
green. When they leave, everything
is downtrodden and barren.

The one thing we know from history is
that wealth travels.

The US is not immune to this. Plan
accordingly. ;-)
Wig

a, OK, I got it, Torone...

yeah, you cna call me atheist than
;-))
Serge

I'm still trying to get a handle on Sen. Daschle...Why does he get away with what he's doing?

Sept. 11 upset a lot of applecarts, and didn't do much for Bush's plans to decrease the size of gov't.
Torone

Wig,
Give the SOB $10 and send him to Iraq!
Torone

Of course, Bush also ran on reducing
the size and power of the Federal
Gov't.

Need I say more?? ;-))
Wig

Serge,
Atheists say, "There is no God.". They are very positive of it.
Torone

According to the Australian Associated
Press, Clinton made a speech in which
he promised that he would dedicate the
rest of his life to "helping
redistribute the world's wealth."

Wow!

Wig

Wig,
Of course, you're totally right. The rank-and-file (how do you like that) Liberals do not and canot understand why people like myself compare them to Communists or thieves because they believe they are doing the right thing. Actually, the key is in the Liberal's own labelling of them as rank-and-file...Marching in step according to orders.
Torone

I won't be an atheist, because an atheist also makes a positive statement for which he has no proof;
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Atheists do not believe in God,
what is so "positive" about that?
;_))
Serge

Expanding upon Socialism...

When I look at Socialism I see the
death of the individual.
Individuals are traded for groups.
Individuals are not rewarded, only
groups are rewarded.

If one extrapolates this out 1000
years, we will become like the ants
or the bees. ;-))

Wig

To expand on the God thing...

In 1996, I was a card-carrying, calloused-knee Catholic. In 1997, I lost my business and all of my money. In 1999, I lost my job because of my age and again lost what money I had saved. In 2000, I was diagnosed with PC (not Politically Correct), and that was the last straw. I won't be an atheist, because an atheist also makes a positive statement for which he has no proof; so I am an agnostic...Show me proof.
Torone

Torone, I hear you and understand. I
do not believe in socialism either.

But, ppl really believe that what
they are doing is noble, just and
right! They cannot see the big
picture and how their "help" is
actually hurt.




Wig

Serge,
Come to think of it, that's right, LOL!

Wig,
Perhaps I over rationalize it, but I figure that if I waste a vote, it will help put the BAD side in power. Right now, I have a little influence with the Republicans; whereas I would have none at all with the Democrats because I am a Conservative and do not believe in Socialism.
Torone

I am what I am, and I define my stand by that Constitution. "Try it, you'll like it!"
*********************************

I do and I like it. However, I
cannot side with either Republicans
or Democrats, for NEITHER has my
best interest in mind. Neither
are strict constitutionalists.

I believe you do what you do to
educate ppl. Part of that is by
voting in what you believe in,
despite the chances of winning.

I personally believe that there are
many rational ppl out there who
would vote Libertarian, but don't
because of the same reason as you.

This insures that they will not gain
momentum. I say look at the big
picture. Rome was not built in a
day! ;-))




Wig

LOL,
it sounds like ALL politicians, regardless of affiliation
;-))
Serge

Serge,
Damn! That sounds like the Democrats!
Torone

Wig,
Many people (mostly Democrats, but many from the other side) insist on labeling the Libertarians as radicals. If I were to call them anything other than what they call themselves, it would be 'Constitutionalists'.
Torone

By the way, I do believe in God of course, but I think we still no evolve enough to understand everything, but we do have more then enough proof of His existence.
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oh really??????

"I believe in General Intelligence which lives throut the Universe,
except certain parts of New Jersey"

(--Woody Allen in Sleeper)

;-))

I see NONE undisputable proofs that God either exists or doesn't exist,
even the Church ask believers to believe just based on Faith and not facts.
Serge

Wig,
I wasn't sitting on the fence, then nor now. I am still a Conservative as I was then. I can see the confusion; but the difference is that my objectives for this country and myself don't change. They are better represented by the Libertarians; but the Libertarians can't win an election. The Conservatives, who come closer than the Liberals to representing what I want, at least have a fighting chance. The Democrats, who represent (in my opinion) Socialism, could only get my vote if they became Conservatives and started backing the Constitution. In other words, it isn't me who is changing or is gonna change. I am what I am, and I define my stand by that Constitution. "Try it, you'll like it!"
Torone

I mean, I relate to the Libertarian
and see that as a center.

It is the center where reason resides
and passion is traded for rational thought. IMO




Wig

mutt,
Right on both counts! The famous 'shot from the grassy knoll' actually came from a storm sewer just to one side of it. The stop-action replays of JFK getting hit clearly show him being hit from the front. Why was it done? JFK, although a Democrat, was a Conservative! He had just pushed through the largest tax cut ever, and signed it. Few people realize that, before then, our tax rate was in the neighborhood of 72%.
Torone