Torone,

I have to say that I see JR's point
very clearly.

When are we as Americans going to
start doing what is in our best
interest rather than clinging to
who is winning?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't
you just post this:

"I switched to the Conservative side; and there I shall remain until the Libertarians stand a chance of winning an election."

;-))


Wig

I knew I'd forgotten to address something..

JR,
I refuse to even be associated with the 'center' because that's the same as saying 'moderate'; and a noderate is just a person who waits until one side seems to be winning, the joins that side. The only things in the middle of the road are a yellow stripe and roadkill.;)
Is that just coincidence?
Torone

LBJ had Kennedy assasinated?

Fill in some details please.

He is the guy tho who picked up his beagle dogs by their ears tho right?

Bastard!
mutt

Good Morning Folks!

I'm not positive about this, but there is one other thing about domestic vs. middle eastern oil that has not been brought up.

I may have my facts wrong, but I think that domestic oil is of a much lower grade that middle eastern oil.

As a result, the costs to process this oil into usable fuels runs much higher.

Can anybody comment on this?

Wig

Catch up time!

Those who believe we can do away with a dependence on oil within ten years are fantasizing in true Star Trek fashion. You could inconvenience the private sector to some degree and for some time; but the fact is that the transitional period would leave us vulnerable militarily.

I see ole PD trying to equate Conservatism with Fascism again. I refuse to argue that point until he defines both so that I have the famous 'level playing field' (everyone defines certain things differently). I WILL again define my stand against Liberalism and its' logical progressions...The Liberal agenda includes too many things (such as social programs) which are not only unConstitutional; but lead inevitably to Socialism, which leads just as inevitably to Communism. Socialism=Societal control of all wealth and means of production. Communism=Community control of all wealth and means of production. Taking someone's goods/money at gunpoint for whatever reason is robbery.

I speak from a more knowledgeable position than PD knows. I WAS a Democrat and BELIEVED the dogma until LBJ had JFK assassinated and took over. His 'Great Society' recalled too much of Kruschev's threat for my taste. When I realized what the 'Great Society was, I switched to the Conservative side; and there I shall remain until the Libertarians stand a chance of winning an election.

Do I believe in God? I am an agnostic (show me); but I have fought (and continue to) for your right to believe or not, as YOU choose.

Hempseed oil?:)))
Torone

Good morning Oprano:)

Hi Serge, you looked very nice last time I saw you.

By the way, I do believe in God of course, but I think we still no evolve enough to understand everything, but we do have more then enough proof of His existence.
Luna (i give my ass to cleo) brazilianass

Do I believe in God? Hmmmm ... read the question, went downstairs for a cup of coffee and turned on CNN ... 50 people killed in the Middle East (about 25 each Israeli and Palentinian), 500 people killed in India (400 Muslim, 100 Hindu) ...

Not like they do.
PornoDoggy

Well Bhudda was around 350 years earlier than Jezus
so that does sort of give him an edge ;-?

Timon

I did believe in h-m but after all the controversy about h-m being first or not.. I just dont know anymore :(

Opti Buddha is best.. chuck away the rest.. give me a B.

Good Morning

Too much rum, not enough sleep, I'm sore...

Cleo (bio hazard)

well pretty good turnout for early Sunday morning.

So far 19 voters, half are non commital about believing in God. Only 4 people so far say they do believe in the Man Upstairs.

Let's burn the 6 people who said they don't believe in Him! Oh shit...forget that...i'm one of the six.
mutt Do You Believe In God? Answer The Questiom Dammit! click here

good morning Oprano
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

I believe in Omar Hayam who wrote 1000 years ago that
"I'd rather lose with the smart one
than gain with a moron"
;-))

Nick, see you in Hell!
;-)))
Serge

A poll like that is never anonymous
because God sees everything! ;-)

I want to post I don't believe but
I'm scared he'll get pissed off ;-))

Timon

well i don't believe. But if I am all wrong and I wind up in Hell, it won't be all that bad, Nick will show me around the place I'm sure.
mutt

Ok, in that case I'll just play it safe ;-)

Timon

yeah i was going to put 'Do You Believe in A Higher Power?'. But when u put it that way alot of people will answer yes that don't believe in the God that dominates our culture. I wanted to see how many people do believe in God, THE MAN/WOMAN!

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mutt

mutt, I think many people would answer:

"I believe there is some higher
power but I don't believe in God
the way the church sees him"

OR

"I believe in God but I don't believe in the church"

Timon

i anticipated that response.

Three choices on the poll.

Yes I do believe.

No I do not.

No Comment. I'm playing it safe.

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mutt

mutt, I don't believe in him but
I'm scared of him ;-)

Timon the usual suspect

Ah ok, my bad...
I'll limit those words to office
hours from now on ;-)

Timon

Good day for the new Oplus Poll.

Do You Believe in God?

http://www.opranoplus.com
mutt

I demand
*******************

this one did
;-))
Serge

Ooops... which one activated your pager?

"charge interest" or "fucking Serge"?

Timon

did you really have to wake me up?????
Serge

Serge, I demand the rest of my prize today
or I will charge interest!!
Timon

Hang on.... there's only 62273
posts, where's my other 2727 posts??
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Fucking Serge!!! now he is shaving on Oprano prizes!
jr

WHOA SWEET PRIZE!!!

Hang on.... there's only 62273
posts, where's my other 2727 posts??

Timon

Timon, congrats, you won 65,000 free Oprano posts.

just keep hitting the "next" button to claim your prize anytime it is conveinent or you have the time :-)
JR

pornoman... you see me everywhere
girmm

Or maybe it's a new game called:
"Stupid foreigner find typo in text of smart American writer"

What do I win?? ;-)

Timon

"All work and no play will make almost Adult Webmaster cranky!"
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Timon, i think they were just trying to keep the "almost webmasters" busy :-)
JR

Uff that's gotta hurt ;-))

http://xratedstudio.com/images/set-nine19.jpg

Timon

i meant 3G networks
mutt

good article about mobile handheld porn. Is Europe ahead of North America on this stuff? Everything I read about these 36 networks is all European based. Is there a North American equivalent?

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Just noticed a typo on the fun&games page....

"All work and no play will make almost Adult Webmaster cranky!"

"any" is missing...

Timon

Chris, do you or does anyone in your family have a history
of mental disease? In any event I'd make an appointment with a
shrink, just incase ;-))

Timon

I can see Grimm in that picture?


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So we should also look for alternative ways to rid the world of evil.
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Well USA and Russia have all those nukes they want to disarm right?

If they'd dump the whole load on Iraq then it should create
a crater large enough to bulldoze the rest of the middle east
into it, then if they level it out they could build a nice
parking lot on it or something....

Now that's what I call killing two arabs... uh birds with one stone ;-))

Timon

Anthony, if you're hetero that's very good ;-)

Timon

Who was the last person that god talked to?

besides nick
:))
dantheman
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Great question, one I have asked since I was 4 years old. God used to be such a chatty guy, a big yenta
he was. "Abrahaaaaaaaaaaaam, this is God, please pick up. I have a message for you" Then for some unknown reason for 2 thousand years God decides he don't wanna talk anymore. To smart people anyways. Good old God decides the only people he wants to talk to anymore are con men preachers usually located in the Southern United States, schizophrenics and white trash born again drunks and drug addicts.

Nonsense. I have no problem with people practicing religion, they can worship God, Allah or a Coca Cola bottle, just as long as none of their bullshit beliefs are pushed on me, especially through the government. And when those fucking ragheaded mutants use their religion to justify the destruction of the Western world, MY world, I say wipe them off the planet, the sooner the better. Or perhaps we should wait around until they have the technology to wipe us off the planet first.

The earth is one big living organism, not unlike our own bodies.
Sometimes disease, genetic mutations threaten our bodies, cancer grows and it grows faster as time progresses. The first approach is to get rid of the malignancy as quickly as possible, locate everywhere it is where it is hiding and then cut it out. When it's gone, you then become vigilant checking to see the first outbreak of it growing again.
But even in cancer treatment, they are always looking for better ways to treat and cure it without the barbaric cutting it out. So we should also look for alternative ways to rid the world of evil. Perhaps dump Prozac in their water supply, or Ecstasy.
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I saw a cloud once that looked just like a penis.

Sabby:)
Sabrina

What does it mean if you look at the picture, and all I see is tits?

Is that good, or bad?


Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

Opti, could have been worse... at
least you didn't see an old man ;-)

Timon

Hmmmmm, in that case, I wonder if Serge will see a goat?

Sabby:)
Sabrina

I guess we only see what we want to see ;-)
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Thats hat I was worried about and why I tried so dann hard to see that pretty young woman... but the od hag just wouldn't go away :(
Optional I must be a really sick puppy and never ever knew it

Hm that's funny, at first all I saw was the young woman....
I guess we only see what we want to see ;-)

Timon

Nah Sabby... must be all that progesterone mucking up your thinking >:)

the old womans nose is the old woamns nose
the old womans mouth is the old womans mouth
and the old womans eye is the old womans eye :))

Optional

The old woman's nose is the young woman's chin.
The old woman's mouth is the young woman's neck.
The old woman's eye is the young woman's ear.

Look closer.

Sabby:)
Sabrina

Baalzebub I am having the same problem.... My fiance can see both. I think I must be retarded!

Though I do understand JR point, and of course pornodoggies as well!


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http://www.et.byu.edu/~tnay/mce/images/oldgirl.gif

Does it mean anyhting if all you can see is the old woman? No matter how hard you try :(
Baalzebub Sold Your Soul? No Probs.. But It Back Here

well, the average person likes Barry Manilow
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While this may be true (though hopefully not) the average person is not excessively passionate about Barry Manilow and does not go around trying to convince the world that Barry Manilow is the way to go and that there is no other music worth listening to.

that is the simple difference in behavior i am talking about.

JR

its right here people:

http://www.et.byu.edu/~tnay/mce/images/oldgirl.gif
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a simple illustration of the futility of passionate debates about anything with someone who feels as strongly as you do, yet has opposite beliefs.

this simple illustration was published by a british cartoonist in the early 1900's says it all.

you look at it and see a young girl looking over her right shoulder... you continue to look and you see it is also an image of an old woman with the girls necklace becoming the old womans mouth, young girls chin becoming the nose of the old woman and so on.

it is a simple, yet powerful illustration that people can look at the same thing, see two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT things, see all the facts and information to make them believe that they are right.

the fatal flaw in political debates is trying to make one side see what you see... while the other side is determined to make you see what they see.

This simple image is used often in my office. it is on several walls and i use it often to illustrate the need for patience and understanding in communication and conflict resolution.

to begin debating anything... you need to be ready to see both the old woman... and the young girl. you must openly accept the possibility of the existence of the other. only then can you have an honest and constructive conversation that ends in understanding and meaningful agreement on solutions.

this is a problem with debating abortion, politics, religion ect. it does not take into consideration of why the other person is right... and is always about why the other person is wrong.

it is a behavior that is just childish, silly and immature.

if you are real passionate about your beliefs or too far outside the norm of beliefs that typify those of the largest % of people... it is most likely because your eyes are closed to the possibility of the existence of the second woman in the picture.

...not because you are right... and everyone else "just doesn't get it"

JR

JR ... I agree with you up to a point. I get tired of the big lie - this very tired association of a liberal with a Marxist. I'm not calling anyone a facist ... I'm pointing out that no reasonable discussion can be had when people go throwing around such labels.

As fars as "behavior and beliefs does not typify those of the average person" ... well, the average person likes Barry Manilow, so I'm not sure I can go that far.
PornoDoggy

i think that within the context of political discussions, anyone who is not fairly close to the center on any particular view must begin to ask himself why?

if your behavior or beliefs does not typify those of the average person, then you need to start looking at yourself and asking why do i feel like this.... and why is my behavior normal, acceptable or healthy by any standards of human behavior.

it is really funny to me that a person can be so extreme and never consider that it may be nothing more than acting out some deep personal issues not connected in any way to politics.

H-E-L-L-O???? Communists, fascists,?? what the hell are you people talking about... and from what underground weapons cache in the hills of Northern Idaho are you sending these messages?

JR

We do have a lot of oil Mike but it's certainly not enough to support our "habit" to consume it. I have no problems with drilling if it can be done safely, which is usually the case, BUT I also want them held responsible if something goes wrong. as for the Gulf, the costs are extremely high for the deep water drilling tracts out there that present some problems for the companies and why there hasn't been a bigger push for them.


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Ummm ... couldn't help but notice an eariler post, and it wasn't the left wing do-gooder liberals who kept the U.S. neutral in the years prior to Pearl Harbor - it was the good-ole Republican right wing boys like the Hon. Senator Taft.

And on a more philosophical note - if the progression is liberal/socialist/communist, isn't it just as true that it's conservative/reactionary/facist? I mean, I am very left of center but no marxist ... but I'll agree to being called a communist if those who think John Birch is a pinko will admit that they are facists.
PornoDoggy

hemp seed oil
Robert

Now is that baby oil, Corn Oil, Oil of Olay, 3 in 1 oil, Crisco Oil


Vick Hmmmmm how are you earning $ today ;-)

i personally think we should invade Canada and take more of their oil and than go after Mexico

:)

Slavdogg

>> Enforcer. we have TONS of oil in the US - problems is the environemental wackos keep preventing us from drilling it. Alaska, California, Florida, and else where are HUGE reserves....

Mike, thats not exactly true.
US only has about 2% of world's oil.

ANd i believe it was one of the EU contries that said recently that it would be better to go after oil in the Gulf of Mexico than Alaska or any other part of continental US.


Slavdogg

My spelling is terrible, tired - too much dancing at my cousins wedding!


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Enforcer. we have TONS of oil in the US - problems is the environemental wackos keep preventing us from drilling it. Alaska, California, Florida, and else where are HUGE reserves....

Here in La, we have more offshore oil and gas platforms than any other State. We have never had an econological problems, infact due to the rigs we have much better fishing since each rig is like a small reef.

I agree we should cut our dependence... we should be researching alterantive fuels, more efficent use of energy.

I also advocated of buying foreign oil when its cheap and pumping it into our empty wells. Oil is the THING for the near future, might as well buy it and dump it back into our wells. :-) Course probably not feasbale.... at least now.


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So you maintain that we can wean ourselves of ALL foreign oil altogether and support our oil needs only by oil WE maintain?


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"if we even know about it you can be sure the technology is already ten years old at least"

Exactly, always figure about a seven to ten year "buffer" between where tech actually is and what is known to the general population.
Robert this space for hire

>>> Wipe every hard drive in any major city.

Note to self: Put those 300 content CDs in a lead box.

Dravyk

For that matter, there are Christian countries with plenty of it.

,,,,

Why would I want to exchange a Muslim slave master for a Christian one??

.
.

BigMike

Big Mike,
Can we say 'neutron bomb'? Kills all the people and leaves the rest alone...
Torone

Enforcer,
You spend too much time watching Tv and doing porn (don't we all:)).

We have enough ofshore oil to remove our dependence on foreign oil. For that matter, there are Christian countries with plenty of it.
Torone

Serge, if we even know about it you can be sure the technology is already ten years old at least;)

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.
BigMike

Couple those systems to an orbiting satellite and you have instant look down lethality accurate to an inch from 150 miles up.
****************************

I read article @ BBC that this is NOT exactly the future,
satelites with lethal accuracy guidance system is a reality TODA
;-)
Serge

and what kind of weapons are we gonna have 3 years from now?
....

Electro-Magnetic-Pulse Weaponery

With it they can:

- Wipe every hard drive in any major city. Imagine that cluster-fuck.

- Bring any tele-communications system to a halt

- Induce epileptic seizures in your troops, leaders, air traffic controllers, etc

- Cause any solenoid driven engine to stall.

And that's not even at half power. The Army's testing them now along with micro-wave particle beams that can boil you in your own skin like a potato by hyper-exciting the water molecules in your flesh.

Couple those systems to an orbiting satellite and you have instant look down lethality accurate to an inch from 150 miles up.

It's going to be wild
BigMike

Who needs new weapons when you've got a trusty splintered broomstick handy?!?! ;>))


TheEnforcer Making Bank- shouldn't you be Making Bank?

after you, even

heheh

photo

who would have thought of the internet 20 years ago when they had a VIC20?


Vick Take me back to South Tallahassee
Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:31:08 - IP: 68.55.232.91 - Post # 62224



yer just impressed with yerself, cause they named that computer ater you...

;-))


photo

and what kind of weapons are we gonna have 3 years from now?
Serge

"where do we go from here?"

Genetic engineering - already done with animals and plants

Mind/Brain as the next "final frontier"

Particle travel

New sources of enegry

and many things we can't even conceive

who would have thought of the internet 20 years ago when they had a VIC20?


Vick Take me back to South Tallahassee

If Bush had ANY balls when it came to this issue he would CHALLENGE the country to wean itself of oil and make alternative fuels a reality.
....

Fuckin'A'right

This country's number one strategic weakness is it's dependancy on foreign oil.

What drug addict ever burned down his dealers house?

Now you know why we can't make that pre-emptive strike that would REALLY matter!

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BigMike

where do we go from here?

Serge
Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:12:37 - IP: 172.167.95.233 - Post # 62221
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To Mars and beyond. Wouild love to see the space program become a national priority, rather than an afterthought, again.


TheEnforcer Making Bank- shouldn't you be Making Bank?

BUT hell the guys building the pyamids prolly thought the same thing:)
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not really....
I read the study that 30 years ago it took 7 years for human knowledge to double,
today it takes...3 1/2

FYI,
when I came to USA 22 years ago,
PC, fax machines, VCR and cell phones were non existent.

12 years ago there were no
publicaly acessable Internet,
DVD, Palms

6 years ago there wasn't E-commerce

3 years ago USA couldn't concive it will be attacked by suicide bombers who would take 3000 lives in one day

where do we go from here?

Serge

I look at it in a history sense i guess, yes serge, technology and human resourses are much better,faster,smarter than ever....BUT hell the guys building the pyamids prolly thought the same thing:)

may I?

peace_out
:)
dantheman hosting forever

Chong - he was listening to a Black Sabbath album backwards
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shiit man, I forgot;)




dantheman hosting forever

"Who was the last person that god talked to? "

Chong - he was listening to a Black Sabbath album backwards

Vick Take me back to South Tallahassee

I also thought that USSR will never fall
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they all fall
dont they?
dantheman

yep, and they'll still be at each others throat long after us!

dantheman
***********************

at the speed information and science travels nowadays,
I'm affraid WE will see how it all ends.
I also thought that USSR will never fall...I was wrong, it happened much faster than one could tell.
Serge

photo, my question was has there been any apostles(sp)/phophets,etc.. in the last few hundred/thousand years?

or has he had enough with us and moved on!
:))
dantheman

LOL... lemme try that again...

errr... dantheman...

I think considering our profession, we're not concerned with how many people that want to hear from God, rather with how many people that want to talk to God... or at least say his name repeatedly... ;-))


photo

throuout human history
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yep, and they'll still be at each others throat long after us!

dantheman

that will be the cause of the 3rd World War... the question is... was Sept 11th the first strike ?
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Seth,
I believe it was a HUGE awakening.

It forced us to make pre-emptive strike,
somethign we never done before,
we are not there at full speed,
but I believe it's a new game plan now
Serge

errr... dantheman...

I think considering our profession, we're not concerned with how many people to want to hear from God, rather with how many people to want to talk to God... or at least say his name repeatedly... ;-))


photo

How long have THEY been fighting in the middle east?
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throuout human history, starting with Egypt and Babylon
Serge

Serge,
Unfortunately, you're probably right. That's why I think we should develop other sources of oil. We don't have time to develop new types of energy or worry about conservation. Saudi Arabia is already making noises...
Torone
Sat, 02 Mar 2002 05:54:13 - IP: 24.242.224.121 - Post # 62198
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Like ANWAR? Let's see. CURRENTLY we go through about 11 million barrells of oil a day. ANWR estimates range from 600-900 thousand barrells a day that bwe can get from there. Let's take the average and say 750,000 barrells. At CURRENT consumption levels that would be a shade over 6% and of course that's 10 YEARS down the road before you even begin to see the oil. SO THAT'S a big time solution? Not. I personally don't give a shit if they drill in ANWR but I'm also tired of people saying we CAN'T make just as much or MORE progress in the TEN FUCKING YEARS between now and the time this administrations "holy grail" for an energy solution comes to pass. If Bush had ANY balls when it came to this issue he would CHALLENGE the country to wean itself of oil and make alternative fuels a reality.

When it comes to this issue I can't help but contrast how Kennedy and those that followed him approached going to the moon and if they took the Bush approach we would have given up before we even started.


TheEnforcer Making Bank

here's my last question for the night(going to drink beers:)

Who was the last person that god talked to?

besides nick
:))
dantheman

Photo,

(Genesis 16:1-3, 15-16, 17, 21:1-2)

Check out the link for more info...
Mspice Here's the text...

And yes I agree... that will be the cause of the 3rd World War... the question is... was Sept 11th the first strike ?

Remember that in the 225 years of this country, there has never been a war that lasted longer than 10 years... Will this "war on terrorism" (which many expect, will not be brief) be seen as the beginning
of the 3rd world war, in a few hundred years ?

OTOH, none of us will care at that point... :-p~~~~~~~~~
photo

vrrooommmmm

OK 40min to go before the start of the 1st F1 race !
Go Schumi ;-)
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How long have THEY been fighting in the middle east?
dantheman

"Mutt except for words that are trademarked, it is pretty much first come first server, and luck."

ok who's gonna be the hero to get jennajameson.us and then let us take it
haahahahahahha
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

The division, to the best of my knowledge, is the following...

Yes, Mohammed relationship to Moslem is the equivalent of Jesus' relationship
to Christianity... though Moslems also believe Jesus is a prophet, just not
the final messiah. However Jesus does trace his ancestry to Abraham, while
Mohammed traces his to Ishmael... basing this on the verse (sorry, do not
remember the specific one) where God consoles Abramham's mistress, saying
of him "from him, I will also make a great nation..."

we read it every year 1st day of Rosh Hashona, right Sergei ? ;-))




photo

Serge,
Right again. Iraq is not the only nation over there working on nuclear technology.
Torone