what do you think all thta underground money is being spent on? typical drug dealer lives in rented apt, drives a nice car and wears the hottest in fashion, etc......
**************************

Jonas,
all it will do is re-distribute the wealth,
from X to ALL in the form of reduced taxes
Serge

serg - i agree and disgree. it would send unemployment through the roof. bsides all your undergrounds cllecting, the decrease in special forces, dea, police, etc....
***********************************

I don't see it happening,
we can always use more border patrols/airport and other places security
Serge

what do you think all thta underground money is being spent on? typical drug dealer lives in rented apt, drives a nice car and wears the hottest in fashion, etc......
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

serg - i agree and disgree. it would send unemployment through the roof. bsides all your undergrounds cllecting, the decrease in special forces, dea, police, etc....

one thing i never understood, why is it legal to buy bongs, etc.... who smokes tobacco in 3 foot, 4 person bong?

jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Jonas,
"it would hurt as many things such as retail, auto, etc...."

I may be kinda dense this am, but I don't follow your reasoning.
Torone

it would hurt as many things such as retail, auto, etc....
jonas
********************

I disagree...

legalized drugs will take away money from the few and distribute tax revenues among many, thus reducing taxes everybody pay.

for now:
we have underground untaxed economy in BILLIONS of dollars with X amount of beneficiaries.
Making drugs legal will bring 50% of those billions to the taxpayers.

Yes, Ferrari sales will go down,
retail sales won't
Serge

Serge,
That WAS a pretty broad question. My idea was that it would offer a chance for us to sort of 'help' them to a different economic base.
Torone

should say when druglord got out of control in a certain country
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

it has always seemed that when a country get out of control on drugs, they always somehow seemed to replace them with someone new.
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

without going to deep, i personally believe that legalization could possible hurt our own economic welfare.

it would hurt as many things such as retail, auto, etc....
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Do we REALLY CARE if countries like Colombia, et al crumble?
*********************************

yes, we do.....
Poverty breeds terrorism and social unrest, and helping their economies is MUCH cheaper than fighting them first and THAN helping their economies
Serge

More about the drug thing...Do we REALLY CARE if countries like Colombia, et al crumble?
Torone

Jonas,
That's my point. We should not say (as Mr. Daschle did) that if we don't get ben Laden, we have failed. The idea is to reduce the threat. Remember what Teddy Roosevelt said..."Walk softly and carry a big stick.".
Torone

insane how they estimate about 1/3 of gdp is from drug money
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Jonas,
Spending $40 billion a year to bring Mac-10's Uzi's etc to our neighborhoods is not making taxpayers happy. Many of us feel like I do...Legalize the damned stuff and collect taxes off of it. That would put the illegal merchants out of business and significantly reduce or eliminate the violence associated with the current situation.
Torone

torone- unfortunately there are 100's of bin ladens (literally) all over the world
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

serge - if ecuador brings back the sucres, we are billionaires 10 times over.

for any opinion on Rush, please contact my partner Emil. He is a true follower. tapes radio shows he isn' around to listen to and walks around quoting him. Even sports a Rush limbaugh university t-shirt
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Unfortunately, Mr. Daschle is playing politics with things he should leave alone. This is not a war on ben Laden. It is a war on trrrorism; and when it began, we were warned that it would be a long one.
Torone

Torone,
argee 100%
Serge

in my opinion is purely just to keep taxpayers happy. A real full blown war on drugs, would cause unemployment to rise nd some countries to crumble.
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

you and serge especially.
*******************************

bull,
I still have $500,000 paper loss on my mut funds!
;-))
Serge

I wouldn't call Rush unbiased; but I believe he IS biased in more-or-less the right direction...freedom and personal liberties.
Torone

we are all a little closer to making the list.
******************************

...if we convert US dollars in Turkish Currency!
;-))
Serge

upset me just a little, but like you said, we are just a bit closer now. you and serge especially.
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Webfather and Serge
I'm all for wiping that crap out. I only hope that their iniative doesn't turn out like 'the war on poverty' and 'the war on drugs'. Those are just examples of great-sounding ideas that turned into just Liberal boondoggles.
Torone

Jonas, I hope that upsetting fact doesn't ruin your day. But look at the bright side, we are all a little closer to making the list.

;-)))

Webfather

The number of billionaires dropped by 83 this year to 497 as recession and fallout from the terrorist attacks reduced their wealth. The group's combined worth fell to $1.54 trillion, from $1.73 trillion last year.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/01/forbes.billionaires.ap/index.html

jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Until now they have been going after individuals.....that is about to change imo.
***************************

the sooner - the better!
Serge

The should divert some of those "War on Drugs" funds.
Colin 4 Free Bucks

Serge,

There is going to be an all out assault on Child porn by the administration and for a very good reason.....over 90% of the folks support a WAR on Child Pornography.

Until now they have been going after individuals.....that is about to change imo.


Webfather

colin - morning old friend
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

JR,

What's your email address?

Shoot me one here ..
colin@insiteadult.com
Colin 4 Free Bucks

Hey Jonas! :)
Colin 4 Free Bucks

serge - that guy should be hanged in public.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/01/missing.girl/index.html
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

meanwhile,
I heard that suspect in California girl murder had child pornography on his computer,
can anybody provide link to the information about it?

if this won't bring more attention to those who involved in Child Porn and those who process for them,
I don't know what will.


Serge

http://www.cnn.com/POLL/results/75821.content.html

damn,
I find myself with majority ...strange
;-)
Serge

Yo, Colin!!

Webfather

If I make a post under my real fake name, people will ignore me. I make it anon and I get a response from Serge, Webfather and all the guys. It also lets me pay tribute to the only honest unbiased personality on radio. :))))
Rush, The Band.

Sometimes conversations weave and entangle, overlap and underlap, before they shake hands ...
Colin 4 Free Bucks

Webfather, HI! :)
Colin 4 Free Bucks

I know your standard answer...
**********************************

Wrong oh great one!

;-))

Webfather

if I start going deep inside of the every anon mind
*********************************

Serge, believe me.....you won't have to go that deep.

;-))

Webfather

Hint....it's NOT Todd. It's not even LB.
**************************

I know your standard answer...
sKiTz?
;-)))
Serge

Webfather,
if I start going deep inside of the every anon mind,
I won't have time left to play with myself and you know how much I love my "quality time"
;-)))
Serge

Hint....it's NOT Todd. It's not even LB.



Webfather

JR,

I love Milton Friedman. :)



Colin 4 Free Bucks

Colin, you right. i did not really think about where they are coming from and those color schemes. probably also has an impact of some kind.

as Milton Friedman said about an economy: "its like a Japanese garden, where apparent simplicity is concealed by a very sophisticated reality"
JR

Bush had nothing to do with 911, even though he had been president for almost a year and all but two of the terrorists entered the country while Bush, not Clinton, was president.
***********************************

Come on Serge!!!

With a statement like THAT, how can you call that an anon post.

;-))

Webfather

The "war on terror" will be a failure unless we kill Bin Laden.
***********************************

And as someone suggested yesterday does that mean WWII was a failure cuz we don't have Hitler???

See how SILLY that statement is??


Chances are he is already dead. But it is better for the continuation of the war to lead folks to believe he is still alive.



Webfather

As an example:

Bright yellow on black may get a surfer's attention and get them to click on a link but if they have a long list of yellow links on black, eventually they get annoyed because their eyes get irritated and stop clicking.
Colin 4 Free Bucks

JR,

I have an extreme lack of experience wuth paysite designs so this I wouldn't know firsthand as far as making sales.

I've run many different types of free sites though and can make a few general comments.

The color schemes that people bookmark are different than the color schemes they click on.

The color schemes that get people to click once are different than the ones that get people to click multiple times.

Color schemes don't exists in a vacuum. The mesh between the color scheme of the site that sent the traffic matters too. Sending from a black bgcolor site to a black bgcolor paysite seems to have some advantage, for example.

_____________________________

Colin, (or everyone for that matter)

I have often wondered about paysite design/content and color schemes.

in the real world of general advertising and marketing, males are attracted to harder colors, primarily red and black and designs with angles and hard shapes.

females however, are more drawn to softer colors and round, soft shapes. Just look around at products that target one or the other and this is clear and evident.

When i look at paysite designs, i see both, sites like Karasxxx (formerly known as annsxxx i think) and cyberertica for example sticking to the red/black theme (or a more "masculine" design). but i also see sites that do the opposite. But then again, the above sites are more general content-wise. A bondage site would obviously be dark and agressive looking.

So lets take a teen site for example. What is the most EFFECTIVE color scheme?

would most males be attracted to a design with more feminine attributes or masculine attributes?

JR
Colin 4 Free Bucks

Timon,
if I was regular on KKK board,
I'd hide my political views too
*******************************
Hmmmm, not likely, he seems to be a lefty...

I am guessing he's a local on the Islamic Chemistry
Resources chat board ;-)))

Timon

I'm guessing that you also think Bush had nothing to do with 911, even though he had been president for almost a year and all but two of the terrorists entered the country while Bush, not Clinton, was president.
*********************************
So does that work retroactive to the first WTC bombing
too or do you feel that Clinton is personally responsible
for that one?

Well not so many people died in that one so I guess we
can cut Clinton some slack there...

Timon

Serge, that does seem a bit odd, why would someone hide his
identity when stating his political opinion unless he doesn't
agree with himself?
****************************

Timon,
if I was regular on KKK board,
I'd hide my political views too
;-)))
Serge

Serge, that does seem a bit odd, why would someone hide his
identity when stating his political opinion unless he doesn't
agree with himself?

Everyone has the right to his own political opinion and it's
OK to disagree with each other...

Personally I love Clinton and everyone is allowed to know ;-))

Timon

Uh next week, next month ;-))

Timon

Chris, wait till you see the 50
brandnew ones next week ;-)

Timon

Timon,

I used to love your guys sites too..

The 2 page special!

:)
chris/pornoman $20.00 For Free AVS Signups...

But you are wrong.
Rush Right Wing Media Brainwashing Patrol
Fri, 01 Mar 2002 01:24:13 - IP: 168.143.112.106 - Post # 61736
***********************************

I LOVE it!!!!!!

when one becomes anon to express political views for the fear of getting label IDIOT attached to the real name,
it shows LOTS of conviction in what one posts
;-)))
Serge

pretty tough to scientifically study what design elements work best for selling porn.
*****************************
I have a pretty good idea but I aint telling ;-))

Timon

pretty tough to scientifically study what design elements work best for selling porn. Just too many variables. So it's mostly an art
based on gut feel, artistic preferences and of course most importantly testing sighup ratios.

A neat test would be to take that old Cyberertoica design(pretty plain) and swap it for the new design and see which works better today.

I do notice that edgy hip designs don't do very well selling porn.

anybody like this design I made for
the March Madness contest?
http://www.opranoplus.com/marchmadness

I'm addicted to the color orange.

Found great new software for the hoops contest. Much better than using the old Pickem script which wasn't really designed for anything but football. This new one I can give out more points based on the round of the tournament, give bonuses for underdog picks etc......not going to get too complicated tho.

hmmmmmm.....better go look to see if there is any news out there.
mutt

Timon,

I think this was my favorite one from Cybererotica. I think I did best overall with this design.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508222920/cybererotica.com/indexsticky.html
chris/pornoman $20.00 For Free AVS Signups...

after all,
we're selling tits and pussy, not chainsaws and powertrucks... ;-))
---------------------------------

I agree Timon. if it is about marketing and advertising in general, i know where to find all the studies and what they say about, color, shapes, sizes etc. but for something like adult websites, everything is opposite because you are using femine attributes to actract males.

i was just curios what peoples ideas or opinions are.

But now i do now know what to do with:
www.chainsaw-wielding-truck-driving-teens.com :-(

JR

Chris,

A little blue but mostly purple,
here is what CE looked like in 1998:

http://web.archive.org/web/19980210090722/cybererotica.com/tour1.html

Timon

MikeAI. You can't actually believe the bullshit you posted about Democrats. If you do, then you need to start thinking and stop believing what you see on the television or hear on the radio.

Tom Daschle said exactly what Bush said in the first place, and what a majority of Americans believe in every poll, even the even-more-biased Fox news polls. The "war on terror" will be a failure unless we kill Bin Laden. Bush has said this, the American people believe this. Somehow it is wrong to you for Daschle to tell the truth just because Bush changed his story again? Sure. The truth is bad, Bush is good. Sure.

Trent Lott criticized Clinton in the middle of the Kosovo war. You know what Lott said at the time? He said that you can support the troops without supporting the president. He said it was his patriotic duty to speak out if he thought things need to be questioned. You know what Lott said today? He said that Daschle was wrong in questioning Bush during a "war". So, then, which is it? Was Trott lying then or is he lying now. It's one or the other, he is lying one way or another. Is Trent Lott lying wrong?

As far as Democrats being the evil party, I'm sure you're right about that one too. It's interesting that Larry Flynt disagrees with you though. Larry Flynt has said that anyone in the adult industry who supported Bush and Ashcroft over Gore is an idiot. I'm guessing that you think you're smarter than Larry. I'm guessing you also think that Bush isn't more corrupt than Clinton. I'm guessing that you also think Bush had nothing to do with 911, even though he had been president for almost a year and all but two of the terrorists entered the country while Bush, not Clinton, was president. I guess you also think Fox news isn't biased. I guess you think the media is "Liberal". If that's the case, then logic, truth, facts, or intelligent debate isn't going to change your mind.

But you are wrong.
Rush Right Wing Media Brainwashing Patrol

JR, when hetero men are surfing the Net for porn and teens
in particular they are looking for pretty young girls so
my theory is that a design that looks girlish will turn
them on more than something that is masculin... after all,
we're selling tits and pussy, not chainsaws and powertrucks... ;-))

Timon

Wow.. just wanted the debate for mayor of New Orleans, we could be in trouble : )


Billy (Oprano Sergeant at Arms) Diamond Jim is the Asshole of the Month for March !

JR,

I think for a while cyberotica was blue.. I think for years I remember that..

Ah the days of the 1 in 32 conversions....shit that was RAW!!
chris/pornoman $20.00 For Free AVS Signups...

I think cybererotica.com is always one of the best looking sites on the net. DX does very nice looking sites.. shoot I wish I had their old designs!

Also, just an FYI, I believe tonight is the last day @home.com is getting email.. I am now porno at cox.net for all my lovers.
chris/pornoman $20.00 For Free AVS Signups...

Colin, (or everyone for that matter)

I have often wondered about paysite design/content and color schemes.

in the real world of general advertising and marketing, males are attracted to harder colors, primarily red and black and designs with angles and hard shapes.

females however, are more drawn to softer colors and round, soft shapes. Just look around at products that target one or the other and this is clear and evident.

When i look at paysite designs, i see both, sites like Karasxxx (formerly known as annsxxx i think) and cyberertica for example sticking to the red/black theme (or a more "masculine" design). but i also see sites that do the opposite. But then again, the above sites are more general content-wise. A bondage site would obviously be dark and agressive looking.

So lets take a teen site for example. What is the most EFFECTIVE color scheme?

would most males be attracted to a design with more feminine attributes or masculine attributes?

JR

sssslllllllooooooowwwwwwwww night.



Mike AI

I have had the good fortune of avoiding the influx of SPAM in the email box....

cept those damn Viagra free sample ones..

but I figured they were trying to tell me something...

;-)

fatbaby

Just talk to honest Anthony, he got me off all their "triple opt-in" lists pretty quickly. ;)


Ulfie

Well knowledge tells me you,especially,like porn :)

So I try to ensure you don't miss out on any.

I'll make sure there is double tomorrow ;))
Nick

Nick I have to say I have never missed out on your spam!

like a few hundred times...


Mike AI

""Sorry, Mike, I don't know how it has happened.""

let me guess at a lack of knowledge ;))

Cam,
I don't see you promoting me ;)
Nick

Sorry, Mike, I don't know how it has happened.
Forest CCbill will process our next site

Forest if it makes you feel any better, I did not get any spams from you.

thanks!


Mike AI

Bulkman, fuck you!
Forest Claudia on Vacation

Forest,

You're giving the noble art of spamming a bad name.
Bulkman

Ooooooh Boss you are baaaaaaaaaad! :)

But, truly an asshole. ;))


Lisa Home of the Asshole of the Month for March!

DJ, many congrats!!! ... Though I do think telling everyone to address you as "His Assholiness" all month is going a bit far though. :-))

>>> ...what I don't understand is why Dravyk doesn't win every month.

LOL! Thanks, Nick!! (I think!) Actually I started on the list at 14 and I've moved up to number 8, so who know, any time now maybe. :-))

... Ahem, as long as I don't have to get laid first, that is. ;-)))))

Dravyk Adult Boards Digest

DJ,
con genuis!
;-))
Serge

Here ya go, Forest....from me to you as a reward for the true genius of spamming owners of all adult domains....great demographics!

http://flyingpenguinproductions.com/boards/

Diamond Jim Attack of the adult domain spam!

anthony i sent you mail also. gota run get a bite


dantheman slam dunk

yeah forrest, the mailings was a little over the top!


anthony, not sure alls functioning with icq at the moment. can you give me a call tomorrow at the office?
dantheman slam dunk

...and you did it THIRD time, while KK's company only spammed me once!

plus...neither KK nor her drones owe Mart any money!
Serge

ahhhh, Forest, the same 12 mins,
do you have Oprano on auto timer refresh?
;-))

do you know that your company spammed my children with Bendover and all other crap?


Serge

ant, your hit
dantheman slam dunk

are you implying that Oprano is a beasty site owners "Watering Hole"?????

Shame on you, Forest!
Serge
___________________________

Well if the COW MOOS

;)
Forest

now thats funny
:)
************************

no, this is rather sad....when grown up men make fools of themselves just because she pushed their buttons in the right direction....
ahhh....kids
;-)))
Serge

Dantheman,

Can you hit me up on ICQ 21239908 when you get a chance?

Thanks!

Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

---------------
hey Mutt after talking to T, I think we need to fix the march maddess contest so I win and can party with T in atlanta, while attending the final 4!!!

That would be sweet!!

Mike AI
----------------

IF(fingers crossed) we make it,I'll be there:)))

----------
she does, but only sends drones in the "battles",
-----
now thats funny
:)
dantheman slam dunk

Serge

I am not an oprano groupie
*****************************

don't bullshit the bullshitter,
you came with the answer
in less than 12 minutes after I posted.....
you LIVE here,
not in the penthouse, of course, closer to the exit door, but live
;-)))




I just wanted to see if she would still post here as I KNOW how much she is loved here
Forest
Thu, 28 Feb 2002 05:00:27 - IP: 209.143.51.28 - Post # 61705
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are you implying that Oprano is a beasty site owners "Watering Hole"?????

Shame on you, Forest!
Serge

forest,
Upfront payment will be required :)

Mart,
If you are reading,get in touch with anthony at whitcon.net or icq me on 8042030
Nick

Serge

I am not an oprano groupie

I just wanted to see if she would still post here as I KNOW how much she is loved here
Forest

KK doesn't live here anymore.


mutt
*******************

hahahhaha,
she does, but only sends drones in the "battles",
one smart cookie!
Serge

Forrest when have you become interested in what CCBill does?
**********************************

Since he became Oprano "groupie"?
;-))
Serge

Nick
I dont handle ANY of the mailers

118156620

hit me up and we can talk though
I know you are the ULTIMATE Professional!!!
;)

Forest
************************

Nick,
Mart says:
From LittleC and Claudia MONEY UPFRONT,
300% of initial order
;-))
Serge

http://LOLITA-AGE.COM
a site CCBill proccesses
___________________________________

Hey KK you never did comment on this

Care to NOW???
_________________________________
KK
u didnt resopnd on another board MAYBE you would like to respond HERE

Forest
Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:34:12 - IP: 209.143.51.28 - Post # 61688
*****************************

with the owner's info in the Netsol,
the owner of thsi site can be ANYBODY...

maybe KK just protects the identity of the real owner she knows,
for which I commend her, as this is her fudicuary duty,
KK, don't tell 'em shit,
take this secret with you!
Serge