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Also, I have to "live" in a society of my peers, all of you, and conduct business with all of you, so I don't see any reason to head down such a path where tempers get out of hand so easily.
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This statement from Colin sums it all up completely!

if it is a subject that can make tempers flare so quickly with so many people, then the issue of boundaries and what is or isnt appropriate, what is and isnt legal is a moot point.

as i said before...

the general public does not distinguish between good pornographers and bad pornographers...

we are ALL "just pornographers"

JR

Serge -

Do you know what the MCL Newbie project is about?
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no, but I do know what Meat and AGA are up to
;-)))
Serge (How do you spell CONVERSIONS?)

How many other webmasters on this board have?
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Sharky,
let me quote SweeT,
Oprano is NOT about webmasters who looking to get in,
it's about webmasters who are looking to...get out.

CJ2, shmeej4...
show me how to put $100,000 and turn it into STABLE 18.5% a year income and I'll be first in your audience.
Serge (How do you spell CONVERSIONS?)

CAM, what is your actual point...I believe I missed it...?
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the point is the power of semantics.

JR

Serge -

Do you know what the MCL Newbie project is about? Even seasoned webmasters could learn a bit.
We take a webmaster(one who has been in the industry less than a year) and give him a project to start on from scratch. Something he has not done before, and he reports back to us with the good and bad of his learning process.
This particular project is a CJ2 site. I myself have never done a CJ2 site? have you? How many other webmasters on this board have? Could anyone on this board benefit from that information?

I certainly think so. I've been adding to the gumbo lately, so what gives?
sharky Newbie Project Update

CAM, what is your actual point...I believe I missed it...?

You believe webmasters should use the term lolita if they feel like it, is that it?

I know the argument can't be that VISA/MC should process for it, so that's pointless... or that goverments should leave it alone because that ain't gonna happen either...

So the point is....free speech?

Diamond Jim

Sharky, Sharky,
where were your brains???

you know darn well that there is no newbies here and I deleted your post.

If you wanna reach newbies audience
post it
http://www.opranosearch.com/msgboard/
Cleo seems to have a nice following there
;-)))
Serge

This is better than a pearl. this a a pearl necklace.

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I demand ypou all follow a code 0of practice!!!!

(which I can ignore and make a fortune by non-observance) :)))
Colin Ask Colin .. about .. Risk Tolerance

on "our" industry? :)))

ahahahahahahahahahahahgahahahaha

I demand ypou all follow a code 0of practice!!!!

(which I can ignore and make a fortune by non-observance) :)))
Nick

oh...and shall we argue the detrimental effect that
porn spam has on our industry!!!????
that should take a few weeks to hash out! hahaha.....

read http://www.opranoplus.com about it..... ;)
CAM

Cam,
If they want you ,they will get you.Might as well be hung for a sheep as a goat :))
Nick

Seems like what is at issue is everyone's risk tolerance.

I have very low risk tolerance on an issue like use of the word lolita. Even though, I have no ethical/moral problems with use of the word, and I do understand the arguments, I would not myself run a
site with the word lolita in the title. Not that I think one will get prosecuted for such. I think the odds are very low. However. they are existent .. and I really wouldn't want to deal with THAT in court. Pornographers are the scum of the Earth to many. No sense tempting some random prosecuter looking to make a name for himself.

Also, I have to "live" in a society of my peers, all of you, and conduct business with all of you, so I don't see any reason to head down such a path where tempers get out of hand so easily.

As far as the moral/ethical issues. There are dangers of pornography. Period. Objectification of women does have SOME detrimental effect on society. Some pornography does become a factor in some rape crimes by some individuals. How much? A lot? A little? Hardly Any? Don't know. But some.

Furthermore, child porn fantasies must also lead to some criminal acts against children. Again. How many?

All of us accept the risk overall. We all add to the objectification of women in society.

What is the difference between these two issues? Why is a negative effect accepted on one case and not in another? I do not know. There is certainly less acceptable risk when it comes to children. I would guess there are very deep ingrained reasons behind this (The children are our future).

On a personal level, I have no interest in such fantasies, nor am I attracted even to the older teen variety of women (18-19). I tend to be attracted to women that are my age. One of the strange ones.

At any rate, it is the community of
webmasters that makes my decision for me in this case and not a moral/ethical one. I do not pretend to know what effect lolita has on society. I only know that most everything we do in our jobs has both positive and negative effects.

We are not exactly "bringers of light"
Colin Ask Colin .. about .. Risk Tolerance

Good point nick......but think about this.....will a jury
of those peers convict you of obscenity if they see a cum dripping
womans face after 15guys just ejaculated on her? How about a
woman or man with someones fist up their ass? how about a double
penetration scene? someone shitting in someone elses mouth?
a speculum spreading an anus?

please everybody......somewhere SOMEPLACE whatever you are
doing can and WOULD be deemed OBSCENE!

and nick, no offense buddy, but you of all people!!?? ;)

you the spam king, the notoriously famous i'll promote
anything and do anything to make a buck!
come on now, this isn't netpond! :P
CAM

Well serge.....that arguement was valid and so is this one! ;)

15 was posted as age of consent in one country, 17 in Holland
and 16 in many US states.

Take a look at OpranoPlus and the Beastiality story. They
didn't arrest him for beastiality, they arrested and detained
him for marijuana and illegal weapons possession. They have
no idea if what he was doing broke any state obsenity laws.
He was not only collecting it he was distributing it.
CAM

Cam,
Young teens,lolitta, whatever.We are all thought of by the straights as producing distributing the very7 worst of porn whether we do or not.

A jury of our peers,especially in the bible belt,will find us guily.
Nick

Cam: Perfume is completely marketed according to illicit and decadent references, ie, Opium, the sensually explicit containers and ads, etc. (Remember when Calvin Klein took the heat for ads that evoked kp?)

Just because they are willing to co-opt the term for all its illicit references does not make it any more right.

Sophistry will get a devil's advocate so far, but in the most supreme court almighty and on high, I doubt that argument will meet with any merit.

Far-L We have plenty of barely legal teens. (And lolita grandmothers too! OOPS...)

Thanks for the harrrumph! Serge :))

It is very freeing being of thought of the scum of the earth by the "straights".
Nick

So....I guess bizrate is subject to being prosecuted for
the use of the word lolita? then the perfume manufacturers??

I believe you guys are way off....... you have to break a law
first to be prosecuted.
I'm not arguing if having sex with a minor is illegal or not,
i'm talking about a WORD, the WORD "lolita".
CAM

As pornographers we must act responsibly! ;))
Nick
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if this is NOT a Pearl, I don't know what Pearl is!
;-)))
Serge

As pornographers we must act responsibly! ;))
Nick

uh.......... general public = your jury of your peers
you = pornographer

DO THE MATH!!!
mutt

Cam: The age of consent to do porn is sixteen with parental permission in Holland. Still does not make it legal here.

Far-L We have plenty of barely legal teens. (And lolita grandmothers too! OOPS...)

Obviously some "mainstream" business's vary on that opinion
Diamond Jim.
Why would perfum manufactures name perfumes after a term
that everyone seems to think is "taboo" or "bad" or "wrong"
or "illegal"?

obviously that's not the case.....

Again...everyone is thinking from the "pornographers" point
of view, not genera public.
CAM

hehehe......thanks mike! :)
I'm not really trying to be the devils advocate, it
just works out that way.
I always try to view things from all angles, not just
"MY" angle... ;)

If I had the tag I would feel I would need to live
up to it, then people will think i'm a shill for Oprano..you know how that works... ....thanks for the offer but i'll pass. :)
CAM

Cam we are talking about reality here. To the cops and prosecutors, the only people you should be worried about, the word means ONE thing and ONE thing ONLY.......child pornography!

u can mumble to yourself in your jail cell "well look at the Yellow Pages, here's Lolita Hair Salon, Lolita Fashions, Lolita Perfume, Lolita Burgers........
mutt

That's illegal in NY but not all states and
not very many countries outside the US.
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gee, where did I hear that before in relation to bestiality?
;-)))
Serge

Amy Fisher was I think 16 when Joey Buttafuco nailed her.

Diamond Jim is right........you can point out all the hypocrisies you want CAM but in THIS business the word is malignant. Use it at your own peril.
mutt

yeh yeh.....I know she was 16.
That's illegal in NY but not all states and
not very many countries outside the US.

You said it yourself in your last post....the term
was "coined" or "slang".....again, leaves it open for
interpretation.

CAM

speaking of search engines

Lycos Launches Paid Search and Inclusion Services

http://www.opranoplus.com

SPEWS - The Next Generation Spam Busters

i didn't even know that ORBS was gone and that MAPS settled out of court with several ISP's who sued them for putting them on their RealTime Blackhole list.

http://www.opranoplus.com

slow news day
mutt

The problem here is we all have to deal with reality and not wishful thinking or logical interpretations...

Lolita may or may not be ultimately defined by dictionaries as KP, however, working in this industry WE have a heightened awareness of these terms...laymen do not. Like it or not, the scumbags HAVE co-opted that word to imply and identify KP and nothing will change that. It is in our best interests to run as far from it as possible, not embrace it or even look the other way based on "definitions" or "perceptions"...

The bad guys got the word. It can't be rescued, it can't be redeemed....we need to recognize that simple fact and move on.

Diamond Jim

CAM, I think you should be titled Oprano's Devil's Advocate!

if you are interested in that tag line, e-mail me michael @ oprano DOT com. We can get you set up!

You have been doing a great job!

Mike AI Domains on sale... get them while they are hot!

Cam: How old was she when her and Badufuco had the affair?

Far-L We have plenty of barely legal teens. (And lolita grandmothers too! OOPS...)

Here's something interesting.....just did a search
for "lolita the movie" on google...
seems Bizrate.com pays for the keyword:
"Lolita - Compare Prices - Find the Best Deals HERE
www.BizRate.com Find Store Ratings, Special Offers, Quality Comparisons, & MORE"

when you go to their page you see a LOT of perfumes with the name "Lolita"...
CAM

Well again...we are talking about perceptions of the
word and obviously there are many different ones.

as far as I know you cannot be prosecuted for using
the word lolita in any court that i'm aware of??

JR....I didn't see the movie and have never seen a movie
with the word lolita in it or used.
I'm sure there are MANY MANY million others who haven't.
My introduction to the word lolita came from the famous
Long Island lolita and Joey Badafuco.
CAM

man i also think young chicks are amazing, 15-17, they are like puppies, gangly and sexy and funny.
But i would NEVER go there.
mutt

Mike AI: Interesting analogy, but while I agree with the confederate flag being misappropriated, I do think Lolita was coined as slang for underage sexually aware girls directly as a result of Nabokov's book which is explicitly involving this subject matter.

Cam: Sure, as one who has been called immature here on many occassions, I can certainly say that is not really the issue. For me, I simply do not want to cater to people looking for lolitas.

JR made a very poignent commentary on this the other night. Read that and you will know that I am not being trivial here.

Far-L We have plenty of barely legal teens. (And lolita grandmothers too! OOPS...)

old man????

he was younger than ME!
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and? ;-)
JR

old man????

he was younger than ME!
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You Said it.. He didnt
;-))
R3K

Don't get me wrong, in a perfect place I would be sitting on the back of my riding lawnmower, with a few lolitas ( age 18), waving my confederate flag...

Mutt want to join me? :-)
Mike AI Domains on sale... get them while they are hot!
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i can be there in 31/2 hours
;))
dantheman number 6 in the nation:)

Not sure that i watched it, but i thought it was about an old man fucking a kid.
JR
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old man????

he was younger than ME!
;-)))
Serge

JR..... to that arguement I say.....
only to people who actually see those
sites, which is very few people.
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I see,... and what was that very popular film called "Lolita" about again?

Not sure that i watched it, but i thought it was about an old man fucking a kid.
JR

yeah u got the picture Monk. God the guy sitting in the passenger thing always looks like such a homo.
mutt

"customise your lawn tractor with one of those side passenger thingies they used to have on motorcycles in the olden days for me."

Like Batman and Robin!!! The Ambiguosly Gay Duo. hehehe

Monk

Even Hustler, bastion of free speech defense, regards "teen" as dicey. You don't see "Hustler's Horniest Teen Fuckers". You see "Barely Legal".

Still, not saying anyone should be any way but just asking for people to think about it and realize that the use of certain terms connotes things to particular people. Be aware of it.

Cam, prosecutors certainly are familiar with the term lolita to describe underage material. With all due respect, that is naive to think otherwise.

Far-L We have plenty of barely legal teens.

Don't get me wrong, in a perfect place I would be sitting on the back of my riding lawnmower, with a few lolitas ( age 18), waving my confederate flag...
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Come on down to North Carolina With Me.. You would fit in, And You could mow my 25 acres for me
;-))

R3K

haha...... customise your lawn tractor with one of those side passenger thingies they used to have on motorcycles in the olden days for me. I will wear one of those old fashioned flight caps, goggles and and a scarf whipping the breeze as we go up and over the hills of bayou country!

mutt

Far-L.....all I can say is....if an immature 18-30yr
old wants to have sex with me I surely am not going to
apply a maturity test to decide whether I will or
won't have sex......I'M IN!!!!

How many immature 18yr olds have you had sex on film
with?

maybe we should ask their daddy's what they think
about you and whether you should be able to fuck their
daughters on film and profit from it!? ;)

Ok....not putting you down, just giving arguements from
another point of view.
CAM

"I am not telling people what to do, just to think about what they are telling the people who come to their sites."

As I said in my original post, which you may not have read in full..... I tell people TWICE that all models found thru my site are 18+ years old. Once at the very top of the page and once at the bottom. And there is hardly anything on this page, so it is abundantly clear to any surfers what my site is delivering.

I actually went so far as to add in the top note that if they are looking for girls under 18, that they should contact their shrink.

The site seems to be converting pretty well so far...and like I said, I am not redirecting to a teen site that plays up the "very young" approach. So, what does that say about the traffic?? If these people are signing up, does it mean these people are not really searching for kp?

Monk

Thats the problem fellas it covers 13-19...

18-19 are COOL.

13-17 is not.

Mike AI Domains on sale... get them while they are hot!

that would be 13-19 mike! ;)

so....now it's illegal to fuck 18 and 19 yr olds!?????
CAM

The hijacking of the word lolita by KPers is very similair to the hijacking of the confederate flag by the KKK.

Both the word and the flag has legitimate, worthwhile uses...

However a small fringe group has changed the meaning of this word and symbol into something that a majority of the people find distasteful.

Mike AI Domains on sale... get them while they are hot!

Cam: Immature can also mean not capable of responsible adult decisions. I personally do not want any adolescent connotations. I am not telling people what to do, just to think about what they are telling the people who come to their sites.

Far-L Think! (My dad was old school IBM)

"See that is the problem the 13-17 part...."

Same can be said about "teen" too Mike. Teens are 13-19.

Monk

All from Dictionary.com

Lo�li�ta Pronunciation Key (l-lt)
n.
A seductive adolescent girl.

Adolescent:

adj 1: relating to or peculiar to or suggestive of an adolescent; "adolescent problems" 2: being of the age 13 through 19

See that is the problem the 13-17 part....
Mike AI Domains on sale... get them while they are hot!

JR..... to that arguement I say.....
only to people who actually see those
sites, which is very few people.

The general public does not....

When I hear of government crackdown on
illegal porn I only hear the words "child porn"
"kiddy", "pedophile" "pedophila" etc.........not
"lolita porn sites".
CAM

that's what i said JR
Lolita means one thing in our business...... kiddy porn.

Why do you think Visa wants nothing to do with any site that even uses the word.
mutt

but to test your idea... i just registered www.lolitagrandmothers.com

...i'll let you know how it goes :-)
JR

So......anyway....we are again back to individual perceptions of
the word and it will vary greatly!
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i think that if you start looking at child porn sites you will see quickly where the "perception" lies.

the perception of its meaning as well as its MOST COMMON use is in association with Child Pornography, underage sex and nude children.

JR

Far-L.....you certainly are entitiled to your opinion like everyone
else.

Lolita means a "sexual adolesent girl"......
Adolescent is an "immature young person"...... how old could that
be?? i've seen immature 40yr olds.....

The dictionary definition of "Young" is:
young Pronunciation Key (yng)
adj. young�er, young�est
Being in an early period of life, development, or growth.
Newly begun or formed; not advanced: The evening is still young.
Of, belonging to, or suggestive of youth or early life: He is young for his age.
Vigorous or fresh; youthful.
Lacking experience; immature: a young hand at plowing.
Being the junior of two people having the same name.
Geology. Being of an early stage in a geologic cycle. Used of bodies of water and land formations.

So......anyway....we are again back to individual perceptions of
the word and it will vary greatly!
CAM

OK I know this probably got buried in the piss...

But does anyone know who these people are?

http://www.directnic.com/whois/?query=voyeur-cash.com

They have stolen a bunch of my content ( surprise) and want to get in touch with them so they can take it down and make reperations.

Mike AI Domains on sale... get them while they are hot!

Well, we are talking about legal and illegal definitions.
I try not to pass judgement on people based on their sexual orientation
or deviations..... ;)

CAM

Monk: Now that is a good idea! Did you ever see "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"?

Far-L pistols at dawn!

Mutt: I worked for him before the persona of Max was invented and quit when it took that direction.

I think having challenged my perspective by encountering something so directly as I did with this issue in that experience with Max makes my views more solid.

You might disagree, but then I do not get the impression that you know at all what I am talking about so I won't put much stock in it.

Far-L pistols at dawn!

Cool name, but not as cool as Harry Dick
http://alvyray.com/Family/Tree/i0008717.htm
Troels

Thats it!! I'll convert the site into a shrine for Lolita Davidovich.

Monk

How would you like to be this
lady?
http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/person/details/0,7621,BIO-P+17176,00.html
voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

Cam: Respectfully, the term "lolita" in its use as a sexual description is derived directly from the Nabokov which is explicitly about an affair between a man and a girl, not the barely legal kind.

Like I alluded to previously, everyone can decide what is ok or not. I present my opinion and everyone else is entitled to theirs. Mine is not more correct than anyone else's, nor am I always judicious about the way I express it. However, I am asking fair questions about an issue that is frequently spotlighted on this board.

I am happy to let those with opposing or conflicting viewpoints coexist peacefully.

You go your way and I'll go mine.

Far-L pistols at dawn!

for the record, 'pandering' is defined as procuring, therefore if you are not delivering the kp shit, then is it really pandering??

Monk

nice try serge... ;)
I was just giving my opinion..... i'm sure there are plenty of instances of proper use of "pedo".

I believe that Ibill used the word "pedo" instead of pedophile or any other contraction of the word so that ANY use would be against their terms and conditions.
CAM

"CAM I agree with you, I like them young too! :-)"

Please post pics of your girlfriend to prove it. hahahahaha

Monk

'Lolita' in the porn world means one thing - KP.

If Farrell worked for Max Hardcore, he should be the last person to talk about what Monk was asking about. Max Hardcore is a sick twisted fuck.
mutt

CAM I agree with you, I like them young too! :-)

I personally do not use the term lolita on my sites. Now I do know others who do, and it is for LEGAL sites. Many people just use it as a term to represent barely 18 type sites.

Obviously what one does with the site, and domain is what REALLY matters.

I personally think the term has been co-opted by the sickos out there, and thus do not use it professionally.

Mike AI Domains on sale... get them while they are hot!

Far-L,

I think everybody here (except you) knows that the lawsuit crap was a joke. If you don't see the joke, then I will direct you to
MikeAI's setup where he posted that he would never do business with me again. DUH!!

However, I was not kidding about the convention....which brings us back to your post earlier of suing me.....BUT of course you wouldn't sue me because

"You know, throwing around law suit threats kind of speaks volumes of your age and/or experience."

Right, smart guy?? If you are going to contradict yourself, at least spread it out over a few days and hope nobody notices. Contradicting yourself in the same hour is pretty easy to pick up.

Monk

Monk,

personally I don't have an issue with the word Lolita. A lot of hypocrisy about this stuff.

When Britney Spears was 17 she was the #1 sexual fantasy for most men in the US according to some poll (can't remember from where).

One of the biggest hits in Europe right now is called Ma Lolita

Most young people in Denmark have their sexual debut well before 18, and it's legal when they are 15.

KP and lolita is not the same in my book.
Troels

CAM,
you are also wrong about PEDO...

http://www.pedo.com/
and I have no problems linking to it all day long
Serge

F-r L, like I said we are on same page with the lolita thing.

While it is clear to you and I that anything with lolita in it is pandering, others do not see it that way, and I truly think monk was looking for some guidence.

I am glad to see monk is divesting himself of all lolita domains. I am also happy to see everyone is on the same page, one big happy Oprano family!

:-)

Mike AI Domains on sale... get them while they are hot!

If you wanted to discuss the issue, you could have thrown in your 2 cents (half a penny, in your case).... instead you jumped in with accusatory and inflammatory comments trying to make me the fucking bad guy.

Obviously, I have questions about the issue also OR I wouldn't have brought it up. You were way out of line.

Monk

Monk: Let me save you the dime. Take this transcipt to a lawyer and see if he will take the case without a huge upfront retainer.

You know, throwing around law suit threats kind of speaks volumes of your age and/or experience.

Far-L pistols at dawn!

Far-L,
you are wrong in your assumptions,
domain means nothing, what you do with it means everything

http://childpornography.com/
Serge

Here we are again at the same crossroads.... ;)

May I interject my opinion?

Lolita is not a KP keyword and does not conotate
KP visions...at least not for me. It simply means
"young"..... I like em' young but legal. being
almost 40, young can be anyone under 30 and above
18!

"pre teen" and "pedo" are completely different.....
they are most definitly KP keywords and infer illegal
activities.

Does it mean someone is a pervert if they like young
looking girls? who the fuck cares as long as she's legal.

The problem here is people mixing opinion with legality.....again,
who cares?

Monk....you should go with your own "comfort level" on that domain,
fuck everybody else's "opinion"!
CAM

>> Like that Serge? I said 'cretin'

whats a cretin ?
spanno xxxdatabase content

just think what the poor folks of Lolita, Texas have to deal with on their homepage.
magus
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well that can't sell town maps on the internet no more:)
dantheman number 6 in the nation:)

Christina Aquilera or whatever
her name is ;-) did not sing
LIVE !
what's up with that
Kevin Free Banner Advertising !!

just think what the poor folks of Lolita, Texas have to deal with on their homepage.
magus

MikeAI,

I respect your opinion and I figured your silence on the issue meant that you would not own a domain like that.

Frankly, I was leaning that way also, but wanted to hear comments from boths sides of the fence.

Like I said, I really have not surfed around much on some of the fringe sites and was not sure on the word's REAL meaning to surfers.

Monk

Mike AI and Monk: If it seems like I was calling Monk a kp'er, then I do sincerely apologize, however, I do think my point about what a name like that signifies and what it panders to are deserving of questioning. I don't think it is unfair or cheap shooting to reconcile the issue in this public forum.

My words are very clear. I do not ever accuse Monk of doing KP but I do question his use and knowledge of the term lolita. We are all smart to question the use of that term and even if Colin has no problem with it, I am sure he had to reconcile the morality of it in some manner. I do have a problem with that term, but I am also wary of even saying "teen", prefering "barely legal" to describe the younger women.

Now, I do admit that I was taking a shot at Monk partly for some of the random swipes I felt to be the brunt of previously, however I did not pick some unimportant trivial issue to task. I did not jump into anything that I had no right to be in or no worthy opinion to express.

I hope you accept my apology, but still hear the merit of my criticism.

I will keep an eye out for you and Serge.

Does anyone have the number for Seth W.'s bodyguard?

Far-L watch out, I just watched Karate Kid!

"Sue me because I had to explain to you what lolita means in the adult industry?"

OK, we'll see what a judge thinks about these words -
"you have been pandering to the lowest common denominator of sick fucks imaginable."

Monk

Far-L,

I specifically redirected that traffic to a teen site where the girls did not look excessively young, just so there would be no misinterpretations.

There is an argument to be made that having a domain like that with significant traffic is better in the hands of people that aren't going to pander to the wants of people who are truly looking for this kind of stuff.

I had considered auctioning this site off, but then I would not be able to control who gets it and it may fall into the wrong hands. I would much rather sell it to someone who is comfortable owning the domain but would not actually engage in any kp activities. I may just put it in your name as a gift.

Again, this is all assuming that people typing 'lolita' are looking for underage girls. I don't know if this is the case and I may be naive in that area. Like I said, dictionary.com gives 'teen' as a synonym for 'lolita'. Is everybody that searches for teen a pervert too? I don't know the answer.

And like I said, before I got into the industry, the only lolita I knew was the Long Island Lolita, Amy Fisher.

And I like the way you addressed your last post to MikeAI instead of me, when you are doing your backtracking. If you are gonna call me a kp-er, don't go slinkering behind my back when you want to tone things down.

FUCKWAD!!

Monk

Serge: Where on earth are you coming from?
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I can't say,
I signed the papers prohibitting me from devulging ANY information

Serge

Hi everybody.

My name is hooper and i'm a board-a-holic.
Hooper

Monk: Sue me because I had to explain to you what lolita means in the adult industry? Please, go spend some of your money trying.

Serge: Where on earth are you coming from? Do you think I am that unreasonable? (Wow, I even said pretty much that I didn't have a problem with you being a goat fucker, where's the love Sailor?)
Far-L Sue me sue you blues

far l you and I are on same spot with the lolita thing. Because of the connotation I refuse to do anything with it.

I think Monk was trying to gauge what other peoples opinions were. While you and I are against it, Colin who is a well respected webmaster had no major issues with it. So opinions do vary.

But to label and try to put on a KP name on Monk was not fair, and to me a cheap shot.

Hell none of us are angels, we all have things to be slammed on wihout having to resort to throwing out the KP charge. ( unless it REALLY fits)

Just my 2 cents.... RAW for Serge.
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Mike AI: I respect your opinion on this subject and so I ask this sincerely and not in my evil Far-L psyche, don't you think that just the use of "lolita" attracts that type of clientele? I know from Monk saying in his posts that they are 18 and up, but the pervs going for that stuff are certainly enticed by the premise of them looking really young. They go their looking for "lolitas", the more underage they look, the better, hence the bobby socks and lolly pops etc.

Now, I used to work for Max Hardcore, a porn dude who has pushed this subject to the boundries, and I know there is a justifiable argument that consenting adults should be allowed to indulge in the fantasies and role playing of their choosing. However, this is one area that is definately grey and for that reason makes me uncomfortable.

I do not approve of any processor doing kp stuff. Bestiality I am personally not into, but morally it does not bother me as does the kp issue.

Monk: I do not think you are doing kp, but I do think having a lolita url is completely marketing to that element. You can say whatever to me, the insults are just more gumbo here to me and I like gumbo, even with okra. My opinion stands though. You should not have cast the first stone unless you wished to be judged as well. Now when you sell the domain, someone else will be able to profit from that premise as well.

You hear it time and again. If we don't learn how to censor ourselves, then the government will come in and do it for us.

You can call me childish, Monk, but I am talking to you as a man. What are you going to do to help this problem? (I mean besides punching me tough guy...)

Far-L seek therapy

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