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I pretty much agree with everything JR says. Always.

On the murder issue. It's clear to everyone that aggression itself is very innate. There are chemical reasons as to why this is so. I know sometimes I feel like I could kill someone. A few times in my life, I am sure I thought of it. It just didn't happen. For very fortunate and complicated reasons.

The deeper question may be why it is that we try to suppress our violent urges rather than "act normal". The philosopher Rousseau said we enter into a "Social Contract" where we agree not to murder others because we ourelves do not want to be murdered or want to have anyone we know murdered.

Societies that forbid murder usually define a particular group as non-murdererable. Many tribal societies consider everyone outside of their tribe as fair game for murder. Western Society says, do not murder unless swe are at war. In which case, killing humans is fine.

Othre primates murder and have "wars" also. I have seen some fascinating footage of four gorillas setting a trap and killing a fifth. There are all sorts of power struggles within ape society that can lead to murder. Brothers killing brothers. Fathers killing sons.

Yet, on some level, all animals (us included) are conditionable. We learn to associate things. Some of us have been trained to not murder, except when we get so angry one day, we just cannot help it. No one knows about that too.

One other thing, "We've known Johnny for YEARS, and he just didn't seem like that kind of boy".

This syndrome is easy to explain. We do not HAVE a personality. There is not one set of behaviors that we
possess in all situations. In fact, our "personality' changes widely depending on who we are dealing with. A doctor acts concerned with a patient and then complains to her husband when she gets home about that same patient always complaining about every little ache. There is some fascinating research on this "Dramaturgical analysis" by the sociologist Erving Goffman.

Colin Murder, Inc.

and also, i fully support any serial killers right to be gay.
JR

l comparing a kid who grows up to be gay and a kid who grows up to be serial killer is like comparing apples and oranges
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i dont know where that came from.

i was just commenting that a parents perspective is biased and parents rarely, if ever blame themselves for the outcomes of their years of influence on their child, for his adult actions, behavior, character, disposition or minor faults (like serial murder) :-)

JR

Morning Colin, Slav, mutt, JR...

MelissaD if you see this can you check your ICQ please, rather urgent. :)

CJ, you too please. :)

Lisa

Slav, my brother, email on it's way ...

:)
Colin We have big butts .. and we do not lie!

Speaking of friends,
Colin drop me an email :)

Slavdogg

Speaking of friends ...

http://www.mikefold.com/corvette.html

:)
Colin We have big butts .. and we do not lie!

Good morning everyone,

Have you ever thought about what it means to have "friends" on the net? Timon, for example, I have never met. I consider him to be a friend. Some of my very best friends are part of this community that we are a part of. Some I have met. Some I haven't. Some I hardly really know ... I don't know their "REAL" self, by the standard definition. And then there's the fact that some of us, maybe all of us, have an altered behavior on-line; a sort of acting. We are dramaturgical.

And yet, we are friends.

Good morning from the void, my friend.
Colin We have big butts .. and we do not lie!

well comparing a kid who grows up to be gay and a kid who grows up to be serial killer is like comparing apples and oranges. But like gay people I believe in 'natural born killers'. I don't think there was anything the Dahmers did to cause their son to be a psychopath or could have done to prevent it.

But we can't excuse all abnormal human behaviour on genetics though with each passing year science is piling up evidence that supports the nature over nuture theory of things.

I should go watch Trading Places again.
mutt

The parents later in life will tell you that they did nothing different when raising the little poofster
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thats not really a fair comment.

parents have shitty perspective on parenting when it comes to thier own children.

i have never heard a parent say "boy, did i really fuck that one up"

Jeffrey Dahmers mom was on TV saying "my sons not an animal" too

John Walker Lindhs parents claim, he is just a cute little harmless boy who means no harm.

of course that may be true if you discount the:

AK-47 strapped to his back
Training in Al Queda camps
condoning 9/11
telling cnn camera crews that his dream was to die in "Jihad" etc.

Was i the only one that almost fell out my chair when his attorney asked that he be released on bail because
1) he had no history of violence
2) no arrest record

i know it is standard. but i just assumed fighing with the Taliban and training with terrorists could be considered a history of something "not good"

JR

it could be genetic with some enviromental factors. But like I said, anecdotally we all know cases in our own lives where there appears to be no influences that cause a boy to be gay. You can have 5 boys in a family, 4 are real boy boys, into all the traditional boy things, one boy is prancing around and putting on mommy's lipstick. The parents later in life will tell you that they did nothing different when raising the little poofster. He was just 'different'.

Listen I'm not an expert on the science of gayness. p0rn0man is better equipped to discuss these matters.

mutt

Unless the guys are married.. then the dirtier the t-shirt the better.
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yes, the qestion; "is this too dirty to wear?" in my house comes somewhere after "good morning, i love you" and "why the hell do i need to take another shower?"

JR

first grade, there he was, the gay guy, lisping and doing all the gay shtick. Where did it come from?
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i agree with mutt. i was just saying that i think that the probability for instances of homosexuality is probably not the same for both sexes. meaning that women, i think have more reasons to gravitate towards the same sex, that men do not.

"and to me proves it is genetic"
but why does it absolutely have to be genetic or learned? why cannot it be one or the other or even a complex combination of both?

JR

the part of homosexuality that amazes me and to me proves it is genetic is that you can go anywhere in the Western world, small little towns, big city, and there will be those little boys, they can be in an all male household, a man's man type father, and already they are speaking and walking and doing everything effeminately in the stereotypical way we think of gay males. I grew up in a small pretty blue collar city, 45,000, and in my class, first grade, there he was, the gay guy, lisping and doing all the gay shtick. Where did it come from? He didn't even know the meaning of gay. In those days there were no gay character on television to pattern his speech from and his mannerism. He was a 'natural'.
It's some kind of wiring problem in the brain no doubt. What makes me curious is the gay men who don't have the effeminate behaviour. Why do some gay guys seemingly want to be girls or at least girl like? And how come 99% of the really effeminate gay men say they DON'T want to be women and have no interest in sex change surgery? They like having a penis AND being girly.

Oh well.......time to go listen to some Streisand and watch some figure skating highlights.
mutt

1) women need to connect on an emotional level and have a very different set of emotional needs.
...guys need beer, blow jobs and a clean t-shirt sometims.
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Unless the guys are married.. then the dirtier the t-shirt the better.
PK

and I didn't even cry at "Old Yeller"
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what about when the little doggie was pulling the huge sled up the mountain in the cartoon, "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas"?
i have learned to divide the world in to two types of people:

those who found humor in it
and those who did not

JR

MissEve, did you see "Happiness"? It was Tod Solondz' followup to "Dollhouse"
I would like to see what he could do with a bigger budget..."Welcome To The DollHouse" is one of the few movies that ever made me misty-eyed...and I didn't even cry at "Old Yeller"
SykkBoy

Sykk,

I LOVE Welcome to the Dollhouse. Ahhhh, so painful and so hilarious!

Miss Eve

I actually thought about doing some kind of film festival at one of the webmaster shows and show flicks like "Clerks", "Dogma", "Ice From The Sun", "Requiem For A Dream", "Welcome To The Dollhouse", etc.

SykkBoy

i like clerks. Holy Grail cracks me up though... "where did you get the coconuts...we found them"... "are you saying coconuts migrate?"

For a movie filmed for a few grand in some guys conveinence store at night, Clerks is a good one.

i like the video store guy. He reminds me a lot of ... well, me. :-) my business would be great too, if it wasn't for all the fucking customers.

JR

hahaha JR, you crack me up

I'm off to watch "Clerks" damn Meni has me all raring to see it again

"Hey, try not to suck any dick on the way through the parking lot"
SykkBoy

ok...i admit that post was out of control.

i am going to watch Monty Pythons Quest for the Holy Grail on DVD and pretend to work now.
JR

i'm convinced it's almost totally a genetic thing,
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i do not agree with that. as human beings, we have a basic tendency to try to boil things down to black and white terms to curb over-intellectualization and basic sensory overload.

every animal species has instances of homesexuality. even insects do. I think it can be safely argued that in some or most cases it can be genetic.

we are animals. all animals are programmed with basic insticts such as survival of the organism and preservation of the species and the procreation in all species of animals basically is so strong in all cases that it is a need that comes right after thirst, then hunger. (interesting note: dolphins and humans are the only two animals on earth thought to have sex without intent to procreate.) So from a biological standpoint, the assumption must be that men would be driven to mate with females and females to men.

Also, there are other factors that are thought to add weight to this in what men and women are typically attracted to. Men as we all know in porn, are actracted to young, healthy and shapely teens. This is also a profile for an individual who is fertile and in the best health. Women (as much as they tend to deny it) are attracted to the same thing.. a big, musclular, athletic guy. This suggests an individual who is fertile and has the ability to protect, hunt etc.

i also believe that as with animals, there are simply cases where it is a simple genetic issue. not saying its good or bad, for it or against it... just stating an opinion.

However, i think that it is quite natural for a woman to be with another woman and think that it is more likely for women to be homosexual for two reasons:

1) women need to connect on an emotional level and have a very different set of emotional needs.
...guys need beer, blow jobs and a clean t-shirt sometims.

men, connect mostly a mechanical level, ignoring the emotional needs of the female.

2)i think it happens quite commonly that a woman is traumatized as a young girl by a male and as a result has a difficult, if not impossible time forming a stable relationship with a male and confuses this for homosexuality... or has a tendancy to experiment with other women.

women also have a tendancy it seems to experiment more in late teen, early 20's with members of the same sex, whereas men do not.

i think that in the case of women, there is a higher likelyhood that it may not be genetic, than for men.

for men, i just do not really see the same issues and think that it is probably a genetic issue, more often than not.

it is also easier to see in guys. you can pick out guys at an early age who begin to show feminine traits, but of course, you cannot with girls. so for that reason, i am probably biased.

it is true that you can pick out "tom-boy" types who show masculine traits early too, but i have never in my life experience equated this to homosexuality, as much as it can be attributed to other developmental factors. i.e. 6 brothers, one girl.

JR

BUT i believe people are basically really just sexual animals and they will have sex with anything or anybody under the right circumstances.

Case in point, today's lesbianism that you hear and see discussed everywhere did NOT exist when i was 18. There may have been some girls who experimented with each other but they would never admit it. Suddenly about 10 years ago, for a girl, being bisexual became HIP and CHIC. And now it seems like every other girl under 30 has lesbian experiences. Humans can be led very easily to do most things. I think it is possible to do the same things with men, and once sucking a guy's dick was thought to be cool risky thing to do, you'd see alot of guys doing it.

mutt

i'm convinced it's almost totally a genetic thing,
mutt

next discussion:

homosexuality, unfortuneate genetic abnormality, or deviant learned behavior?

JR

guys who say they have small penises usually turn out to have decent sized ones. Howard Stern has made a career out of telling people he barely has a penis, then Houston the pornstar measured it live on radio and it turned out to be bigger than most of the guys on his crew.
It's a smart move. If you tell a girl you have a small penis, and she doesn't head for the hills of course, then when she sees it she's going to have pretty low expectations and she's going to be relieved and happy when she sees yours is pretty average. Expectations are everything in life.
People with grandiose expectations usually wind up miserable.
mutt

Lots of women who had axes to grind, anti-men, the kind of girls who liked to wear the pants.
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i think it usually goes back to a basic need to feel power and control over males or showing such traits in a male environment. It is a common symptom of someone who was abused or experienced some sort of trauma as a child usually from a male.

same thing ironically, with strippers.
how was that for politically incorrect?

JR

Lots of women who had axes to grind,
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They were probably just mad cause they found out you were hung like a flea!! ;>))

TheEnforcer Making Bank

HEHEHE JR....

In undergrad there were so many beautiful girls, I mean everywhere. And every year a bunch of 18 year old freshmen would pop up on campus!

Law school was another story. Lots of very smart but ugly women. Lots of women who had axes to grind, anti-men, the kind of girls who liked to wear the pants... of course being a traditionalist many thought I was a MCP... which of course I played up to.

Ironicly enough many of the people I still talk to and I made friends with were the females in lawschool.

Mike AI

Mutt we had a lot of women in my graduating class. Only one problem, all but 2-3 were ugly!
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I think you are confusing your long days and nights at Deja Vu with college.
:-))

JR

Mutt we had a lot of women in my graduating class. Only one problem, all but 2-3 were ugly!

:-)

Not that would interst me or anything...

Mike AI

not sure if this is only for Canada or the US but the story i read said that 55% of first year law students this year were girls. Not sure what the split is now in the other professions like medicine,dentistry etc.

mutt

:-) Nothing unethical about porn.
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I know that! You know that! But I can imagine the looks on some peoples faces!!

Ethics classes were always fun! Professors aleways loved me cause I would take positions nobody else would just for the sake of the arguement or because that's what i truly believed.

TheEnforcer Making Bank

Mutt to be honest I do not remember, I remember my score was 84 percentile. So I was able to get into all law schools I applied to, but no scholarships or anything.

Law Schools are huge cash cows for schools...
Mike AI

Academia is a nice cushy place insulted from the realities of the real world. A few years ago I was offered a job as a professor in computer science at a big ten school. I was supposed to run the webmasters program. The first faculty meeting I went to I was told what I was supposed to teach. When I expressed my opinions that what they were teaching would be worthless in the "real world" it didn't go over very well. Needless to say, I didn't get the job. Academic types don't like to here from people that live and work in the real world. ;))

Ulfie

yup we have similar education Mike.
Poly sci and international relations undergrad degree. I aced the LSAT's but never even applied. I just wanted to see if i could outscore my sister. I can't even remember the scores. What was the LSAT out of? Could I have had 800 something? Maybe 7 hundred and something?
mutt

Actually Enforcer I aced ethics in law school, and even aced the ethics exam that is applied by the state before you take the bar.

:-) Nothing unethical about porn.

I enjoyed Logic... :-)

Mike AI

Hahaha.. I actually was a non-traditional student most of the time cause I didn't go right out of high school. I always especially enjoyed the Philosophy classes especially as they often had many of the older non-traditional students that lent a lot to the discussions.

I could see it now Mike Ai and TheEnforcer sitting in on an Ethics course!! :>)))

Profesor: What real world experience can you two gentleman bring to the dsicussion?

Mike Ai: Oh, The Enforcer and I are pornographers!!

ROFLMAO!!

TheEnforcer Making Bank

Sykk you are absolutely correct!

Enforcer, I agree with you. Maybe we can both retire oneday, and find a nice campus and go back to school. I miss it as well... so many pretty young girls on campus...

If I knew then what I know now, I might have actually gotten laid! ;-)

Mike AI

Mike, I'm surprised it's not on them yet....give it time

I think she's smart enough to know that the minute she pops her top, her career is over...but as long as she keeps the tease, people will keep paying attention to her...
once the mystery is gone, so is her career.......
SykkBoy even anons make money here

Enforcer, I am 2 hours away from a minor in Philosophy... loved it.

Mike AI
Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:11:28 - IP: 66.157.50.197 - Post # 57831
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I almost went to grad school to get a PhD for Philosophy but decided because I finished school so late I would be starting looking for a job MUCH later than most and that would hiurt my chances a lot. Plus it's a ULTRA competitive academic field to get a job in.

I could go to college for the rest of my life and be happy. Unfortunately that's not reality. I'll go back someday just for shits and giggles though.

TheEnforcer Making Bank

Ahhh well I will wait for it to hit video.

How long before the screen cap is on all the Celeb sites out there?!?!

Mike AI

Mike

good news: yes
bad news: PG13 movie :((

nice back and extra quickie side glimpse...that crazy woman who protested "Married...With Children" several years ago complained about a sliver of breast, this wasn't even quite there...but I did get a bizarre thrill from hearing "miss innocent" curse ;)))
SykkBoy even anons make money here

Alright who do I have to blow to get a drink in this joint?

Holly you go girl! That damn Dusty board drove me back to the bottle. Thank you for what you did getting them shut down and all. Don't worry you will find a new job. You are educated and much prettier and younger than me. Bitch. j/k

TOSON

Drav
You always associate yourself with the quality programs. Don't pay attention to the ginsu gangsters ;)

your friend

Sykk important question, did Brit take her top off?
Mike AI

OK has anyone even mentioned R-n today???

Mike AI

Not a problem Mike

but I think I'm off to troll the Anti-Britney Spears groups and post about how good "Crossroads" was....
(piece of shit movie, but the anti-Briteny elite will hate me for posting something positive ;))

I swear I should have grounds for divorce for being forced by my wife to sit through that crap.....
SykkBoy even anons make money here

Only person we are missing is Confucy....

I even shared some intimate information about myself...

Come out Confucy, come out!

Mike AI

Michael,
I never pretend to be anything, you should know that. As my friend, you also know where I draw the line so don't insinuate otherwise on this board and for Christ's sake, stop dogging Ron. You are beginning to look like a spoiled child that isn't getting his way.

your friend

Thanks for showing up Sykk, I feel like I just showed up at a costume party, and someone neglected to tell me to dress up!

Mike AI

Omar, is this the same Omar as this past weekend? You seemed kinda different... posting style is kinda different...
Mike AI

The standard of anonomous posting is an absolute disgrace these days ;)
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I was going to say the same thing...I remember the good old days when Anons were at least interesting...even though we knew who they were (and some cases still are ;)))

you fucking anons are a disgrace to anons, at least learn to flame properly or don't flame at all..maybe you should start by trolling some knitting groups and learn to at least make it interesting....I sure do miss trolling the star trek newsgroups...my classic post "I Wouldn't Let Captain Kirk Command A Turd From My Ass" was probably one of the longest threads on there ;))))))))
SykkBoy penis vagina penis vagina

Man the anons are out tonight, and they are being very verbose!

Mike AI

""Dravyk is absolutely RIGHT!""

What?????
Nick

Omar, I have not taken the bar exam in any state. I was cramming for the La bar, but my company started to require my full attention in 1996...

Luckily I followed my brain and heart, and not the advice of those around me who told me to focus on passing the bar and practicing law.

:-)

Fortunately I can go back and take the bar anytime...

I do not think it will happen anytime soon.
Mike AI

Dravyk is absolutely RIGHT! And that is a good thing because just like Crusty's board this one too shall DIE! And the world will be a better place for it. No offense Serge.

I promise you that eventually I will suck someone's cock good enough to get another big job in this industry and when I am in my new job all of our advertising dollars will go to the resource sites that are run by real professionals with integrity like Netsurprise and Netpond.

I have said enough for tonight. I have resumes to write and other things more important than carrying on with a pack of wild animals and loosers who seem to frequent this place.

hugs

Hoary Holly

Hoary Holly

duh, dravyk, you are beginning to smell like Dusty's old board!

da board is only as good as its users, vambose dravyk
Omar

Holly, it's not just Andrews, Anne Rice (especially in her Sleeping Beauty series) and quite a few other popular authors use bestiality, incest, children, rape and all manner of other plot lines in their books. Go back thru the centuries and it's even worse. Hell read a history book about a certain Brit queen and you get a lesson in the furry stuff. The Romans under the Caesars?? even more pedophilia. For that matter read a history of the last 100 years on the island of Capri and you'll see it.

The lines are awfully blurry, though right and wrong doesn't change. It's just different for different people especially in context.

Do words encourage pedophiliacs to become even more than they are? Who knows. I'm sure for every argument for it, an equal and compelling argument could be made against it.

In the end I think people vote with their feet. Don't like a site, a processor, a book? Don't promote it, use them, read it or buy it.

With all the differences in culture and legality over the world finding one standard for everything is going to be impossible.

I'm still for the Miller Test in adult at the moment. While I don't want to tell someone in Reno how to live their life (or LA or Bangkok or Moscow) I certainly don't want someone in Mississippi telling me how to run mine.

CCbill

but Oprano Mike, did you pass the bar exam, and if so, what state?

thought you were 42 buddy
Omar

Anyone here into skydiving?

voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

HAHAHA touche' Todd!! :-)

Enforcer, I am 2 hours away from a minor in Philosophy... loved it.

Mike AI

Hoary holly, so you know,
We are very cooperative with content providers, and it doesn't cost them a thing, other than perhaps 3 bucks to join a site. We give 24 hour notice in infringement cases (which may be more or less than others I don't know, I only work at CCBill) and if they can't prove their licensing then we cut them off if they don't remove the images.

We don't own any images, we don't provide content. We don't have access to or knowledge of what's legal and what's not unless we are told by the licensor of the images. Furthermore, I can ask a guy to show me license and you know what? I don't know if he's making it up or not. Anyone could make up a license that says they have the rights to use this and that and if I don't know whose stuff is whose, who am I to determine who's lying??? Nor is it my place to determine it. The licensors of the content know what's theirs and what's not and they give us the info regarding specific images that we then require the info on.

The cost of doing business as a content provider is defending your ownership of the images, just as the cost of doing business as a processor is making sure that people aren't attempting to push thru fraudulent transactions and other things that directly affect the processing for our clients that depend on us for their weekly check.

I dunno, maybe we're doing this wrong. Perhaps we should start paying what we want to when we want to and then people would be grateful that we paid at all, and instead of bitching about the fact that we're following the law they could bitch about how we don't pay on time.

CCbill

Ulfie,

very very true, there is usually always a payback, especially in politics.
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They always look for payback. As hard as Flynt went after the Republicans I would look for them to go back at him just as hard. Do I think it's right? No, but I'm a realist and that's how the political world works.

sextoyking New webmaster program for glass toys!

Just finished painting my kitchen.
I hate painting.

As for Dravyk's post,,,
Ouch!!!
voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

Dravyk,stop being such a whiney bitch or I'll stay up all night taunting you AND your ma and thus force allofem to report that an argument took place regarding your legitmacy and the morals of female members of your family.

;)))
Nick

The only problem with CCBill's theory is this isn't how beauracrats work. They always look for payback. As hard as Flynt went after the Republicans I would look for them to go back at him just as hard. Do I think it's right? No, but I'm a realist and that's how the political world works.

Ulfie

Oh well, early night for me. One thought before I turn in though ...

Mike, you like me to say what's on my mind, so I will. Lately this board is starting to smell like Dusty's old board. :(

G'night.

Dravyk

slanderous...hahahaha

Its written,so it isn't. ;))

The standard of anonomous posting is an absolute disgrace these days ;)

Nick

I would like to offer some help to Ron and all the other good people at CCBill whose reputations are being destroyed on this despicable board full of anonymous little cowards. When I still had a job in the industry promoting shitty content and ripping off webmasters we at IGallery had to deal with a messageboard much like this one. It was run by an old man named Crusty and he allowed anonymous posting by cowards who would impersonate people like me and spew the most outlandish lies. Of course Crusty and the cowards tried to say it was all satire or some such thing.
Well we took matters into our own hands and turned the matter over to our legal department and threatened to sue Crusty for all he was worth.
Crusty thought about it and came to the right decision and now that board is long gone.

Is this what you want your little board to turn into Serge and Mike?
What has CCBill ever done to you guys? Beastiality and child pornography? Is this what this is all about? It's not as if they owe people money like some other processors have from time to time.

Anyhoo, I am still without a job and I am willing and able to work so if you want to talk to me I'm here. Does anybody have Lou Noga's phone number by the way? I know he gave me his business card at Internext but I can't seem to find it now.

hugs

Hoary Holly
Hoary Holly

Damm,

I only got a BA in love doll making, with a minor in penis pump marketing:)

of course mike this was from Berkley:)

sextoyking New webmaster program for glass toys!

Welcome Back To Oprano Kk.

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Another ANON Aonther ANON FUCK MIKE AI and OPRANO
Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:32:18 - IP: 209.114.223.139 - Post # 57814
Cavernous Creek

It would seem to me that venue is going to be very important in any obscenity cases brought to trial.

When you have states like:
RHODE ISLAND: F 11-10-1, Crime Against Nature, 7-20 years. Includes "ordinary extramarital intercourse."

And a host of others with laws on their books prohibiting everything from oral sex, anal sex, homosexual acts, extramarital sex, and cohabitation which are in some cases felonies, even between consenting adults, it's not too hard to figure out how the whole scenario goes...

We get state or local DA in an area where there are felony laws on the books against certain sex acts. We get a jury of 12 church going, pta attending folks who are shocked by the mere thought of quite a bit of what we consider not to be obscene. We have a webmaster who might live in Las Vegas, New York or Los Angeles trying to find a lawyer in backwoods Mississippi that will even defend his case, or he has to import an attorney able to practice in Mississippi and then we have a trial. They put up movie sized projection screens of your anal sites, your cumshot sites, your blowjob sites, your lesbian sites, your gay sites, whatever.

Where you live or where your site is hosted isn't really an issue when you've got to come up with the money to defend yourself against something like this. The local DA has infinitely more time and resources (and public opinion where he lives -- stomp out those pornographers, they're minions of satan!!! they're showing naked pictures to our children!!!) to do battle against a site owner.

At the very least the site owner most likely goes broke trying to win. And the first guy that loses sets a precedent for that particular state and gives other states with the same types of laws on their books the idea that they can win too.

Obscenity under Miller is a case by case basis that is dependant upon locale. But smart federal prosecutors still came from somewhere besides Washington DC and still have buddies back home who'll do their dirty work for them if need be. And if they are smart, why would they go after someone who can afford to defend themself and possibly win? Pick a little guy who can't do jack and get a precedent.

CCbill

haha.. you're probably not TOO far away from that 32nd B-day then if you started college in 88!!

:>))

I got a degree with a triple major in Business Administration, Economics, and Philosophy.

TheEnforcer Making Bank

culturally?
i hate culture
give me chicks who look good
fuck culture
fuck girls

meni
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ALERT THE MEDIA! CALL THE SMITHSONIAN! WE HAVE FOUND THE MISSING LINK!!!
mutt

we can't sue during ongoing investigation, FBI will not allow us. But when we catch the Beastmaster - all bets are off!
CCBill

Anon, funny thing is while the other anon posters are saying thing about CCBill that are not politically correct, they are not wrong. Actually some of them are factual....

The others I would consider attempts at humor and politcal critique, and thus a parody which is protected speech by the First Amendment.

I suggest you look up the legal definition of Slander.

I would feel very comofrtable going to court with CCbill over the beasty issue, as well as the kp issue, the non-nude underage girl sites, etc... etc.. etc...

Mike AI

And for the football fans out there, USM is the same school Brett Farve went to. We went the same 4 years - though after 4 yeas he went on to the NFL, and I went for another year of college - I was on the 5 year program.

Of course I got a diploma... Brett did not.

We actually got into a scuffle freshmen year, of course I had 2 big offensive linemen who wanted to kick my ass... not good.

Mike AI

Serge, Mike AI

I would suggest that you remove those post about CCbill. I have emailed them about the Slanderous statements that are obviously not posted by them. Now that you have been notified I hope they sue that shit out Mike High Horse AI. For failing to control his message board.

Another ANON Aonther ANON FUCK MIKE AI and OPRANO

Enforcer, what are you doing to me??!?! I am 31!! :-) Don't age me anymore then I am.

My undergrad degree is from USM, in International Studies/Economics, with a minors in Eastern European Studies and Chemistry. :-)

My orignal major was chemistry, but I could not handle it when I got to the higher levels of mathmatics. Actually I was too lazy to study... :-) So I went and found something I liked, and well liberal arts is pretty much a joke... classes in History, Economics, Politial Science, all a breeze for me.... My GPA jumped a lot when I made the switch! haha

That is the reason I went to law school because a undergrad degree in liberal arts is worth nothing... I was not ready to start working, so I figured I was good at being a student, so it was either grad school for international studies work for State Dep. or some bank, or go to law school...

Well I shared some more, I know Confucy is going to come and blast me... :-)

Mike AI

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