Blondy, happy new sun jing ping year :))


Slavdogg

gung hey fat choy :p
Blondy

you were on a float throwing trinkets at people only a few days ago? Ain't that enough Mardi Gras for you?

Are you at that beach house again?


mutt

Yeah I am in Pensacola, weird - this is my first time ever missing MG. 31 years.... I did part a lot here last night though...

Kinda hung over... and now I am about to go eat dinner, and maybe get a drink for MG too and toast all my Oprano friends! :-)

WIG that is intersting information about Ibill... makes it even more confusing. Of course it could be the hangover...


Mike AI Deal with real professionals!!

ok, that's it, now I am intrgigued...

I'm going to Fort Lauderdale tonight and find first hand what's going on with the toys!
Serge

Now everybody knows this isn't IBILL deciding to do something nice for the children of the world.
********************************

they not????

because they don't send them toys?
Serge

HAPPY MARDI GRAS back to ya vick and everyone else!
I'm out to go have a fat tuesday beer or 20 myself:)
dantheman hosting the nets finest sites since 1996

Mutt, ;-))))
Wig ACHdebit

HAPPY MARDI GRAS


Vick that was so funny but really it is sad

wig u posted this before. Now everybody knows this isn't IBILL deciding to do something nice for the children of the world. They will process for ANYBODY!! Not a socially conscious bone in their bodies.

So i think what you're saying is without coming right out and saying it is that there are some shenanigans going on with this?


mutt

We all know that. Our Ibill rep didn't know till today either.
-----------------------------------
funny how a major shift in policy and newfound interest in charitable giving as company policy, escaped the intention of the people who should have known first.

JR

Anybody still got this link up on their join pages? I see they were nice enough never to put this shite on our account.


Toolz ARS

I posted this the other day, but I think it might be good to reiterate it.

Charitable donations are not the SIC code as adult (5967).

Visa/MC does not allow aggregators to group transactions of different SIC codes to lower chargeback ratios.

Was a good idea when it could be done, but unless Ibill is getting special treatment from VISA, this is not the reason.


Wig ACHdebit

Anthony, would you suspect something was up if Nick started donating money to people publicly, and started being nice, and understanding.... :-)
===============================

You have a valid point Mike. =o)

But I'm not arguing the fact of what they did or why they did it. Just that the link was there.

We all know that. Our Ibill rep didn't know till today either.


Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

And of course IBill does all of this unilaterally without talking with their clients, or even sending out a e-mail of their intentions. They just did it....

sneaky...

there is a reason people act sneaky...
Mike AI Deal with real professionals!!

Anthony, would you suspect something was up if Nick started donating money to people publicly, and started being nice, and understanding.... :-)
********************************

I would suspect that Nick was a woman and abducted by Aliens!
;-))
Serge

Why is that wrong?
*************************

elementary, Watson,
what kind of charity is that when kids don't get toys????
;-)))
Serge

Anthony, even my IBill rep was clueless and had no answers about the donation thing.

There is a reason for this, and it is NOT because IBill wants to start being charitable all of a sudden.

Anthony, would you suspect something was up if Nick started donating money to people publicly, and started being nice, and understanding.... :-)


Mike AI Deal with real professionals!!

Anthony,
if you only went to Wellville once, you'd know:

http://www.moviesounds.com/wellville/defecate.mp3
Serge

Todd, can you elaborate on your reasoning here :

"Serge, donations and charities are fine in my book, but to have ibill put a box there on the signup page is totally wrong in my opinion..." - SexToyKing

Why is that wrong?

Diamond Jim Ibill who?

Anthony - thanks for shwoing that to me
and
"We now offer consumers the opportunity to donate $1"
is incorrect
they offer the opportunoity not to donate
It is a prechecked box

Am still just amazed by this whole thing

How can anyone trust Ibill with their revenue streams after they have been caught lying?


Vick that was so funny but really it is sad

Vick,

http://www.ibill.com/webpledge.cfm

If you go to that check box, you will notice it is a hyperlink, which you can then click.

Goes to that page.

Pretty simple, and I'm an idiot.


Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

Very good points Vick!

Bottom line is where there is smoke, there is almost always FIRE!

There is NO escaping this simple fact....
Mike AI Deal with real professionals!!

OpranoPlus contacted Alien about his controversial KK statement and we recorded his position. He appears to stand by his accusation.

http://www.opranoplus.com/alien.wav


mutt

I'm confused
With the amount of transactions some of the big companies do with ILIEBill
You can't get answers from them?
What happens if you lay it out honestly for them
If ARS, Shaw Internet and MikeAI stop using ILIEBill
ILIEBill is fucked, (so are ARS, Shaw Internet and MikeAI) but I think the hurt is worse to ILIEBill
They could lose everything
So ILIEBill should be accommodating - You should have special reps to take care of your needs
among other things


I always looked at the big guys and thought they are getting concessions from ILIEbill
To name names I thought ILIEBill had to be doing something special for Shaw Internet for them to stay with ILIEBill
after the terrible challenges they had with processing rebills and data management couldn't see how anyone stayed with them
Much less companies with millions of $$$ at stake
I understand millions of $$ in reserves and future rebilling are at stake but I think your hold on ILIEBills
is more painful than their hold on your

Can someone end my confusion

p.s. Alien is so far fucking lost it is tragicly funny

Vick that was so funny but really it is sad

KK is a MAN?????????

Alien know something I do not????
Brad Shaw
************************

Brad,
did I tell you to stay away from HIM????
;-)))
Serge are you getting paid on FREE sign ups?

just buy sergescash.com;) LOL:)
grimm (Blow Me)
*************************

Grimm,
your irresponcible remark causes confusion in market place and therefore is subject to Laham Act of 1937.

You are now on "double secret probabtion",
please act acordingly!
Serge are you getting paid on FREE sign ups?

Brad... you didn't know that?:)
grimm (Blow Me)

KK is a MAN?????????

Alien know something I do not????
Brad Shaw SIC CASH

actually Toolz, what you are referring to is similar to our own little favorite in house training tools.

It is a cool financial strategy game called "oh Fuck! the house is on fire"



JR

JR,

Perhaps next you can start:

enroncharity.com

Where the main goal is to see how much money you can swindle in 30 days flat.


Toolz    ARS
Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:55:16 - IP: 24.234.151.69 - Post # 55168

just buy sergescash.com;) LOL:)
grimm (Blow Me)

too bad we couldn't have a Pickem pool based on which processor goes down next. But it's too small a field to be entertaining. Better to just let the rumors float out.

As KK says on Netpond, these new regs Visa and the others are about unleash are definitely going to mean doom for the cockholsters.

Some day very soon it's going to be as difficult to acquire third party processing as it is now to get and maintain your own merchant account(s).
mutt

JR,

Perhaps next you can start:

enroncharity.com

Where the main goal is to see how much money you can swindle in 30 days flat.


Toolz ARS

Mutt, I think KK got tired of dealing with people who actually made sense, and could make intelligent, logical arguements.

Guess the heat was to high here...

Not everyone can handle, OPRANO NO SPIN ZONE.
************************

Oh, guys, c'mon,
do you have to spoil my intricate negotiations????

I am at a very critical juncture here,
CCbill is about to hire me,
while KK will moderate CC Processing board for Oprano and judge Oprano CC Pick'em tourney!
Serge are you getting paid on FREE sign ups?

BWHAHHHAHHAHAHHHHAHHAAAAHAHAHH.....
Alien responds to KK as Mr KK.......if he wasn't such a space cadet i'd think he might have actually been trying to hurt her and be funny. But once again the poor Alien is just stranded on Earth without a clue.


mutt

JR do you need partners for EnronBill.com ?
---------------------------------
We here at EnronBill.com are in constant search for partners.

But we dont need to ask and we do not accept proposals... we will just change your billing page. thanks anyway.

Doing this is not only easier, more profitable, requires much less negotiating, headaches and stress but is also helps us to achieve our goal of taking YOU, the webmaster completely out of the fucking loop!

JR

Mutt,
I also post on GFY, so what?

Watching Forest making complete idiot of himself always makes me smile
;-))
Serge are you getting paid on FREE sign ups?

Mutt, I think KK got tired of dealing with people who actually made sense, and could make intelligent, logical arguements.

Guess the heat was to high here...

Not everyone can handle, OPRANO NO SPIN ZONE.


Mike AI They don't dick around with your join forms!!

KK posts on GFY and Netpond? Does she have some kind of educational background in working with the mentally handicapped or is she just a do gooder?


mutt

Toolz with posts like that we will NEVER get KK back here to post. You are forcing her to debate the finer parts of processing with Alien on the other board!

So stop fucking a dead horse!!

:-)

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I wonder if CCBill will put up a $1.00 donation for for SPCA, or maybe PETA!

HAHAHAHA


Mike AI They don't dick around with your join forms!!

New avenue for selling porn maybe?
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/12.partners.php


Cleo (to know me is to love me...) wet brazilian

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH.....as fucking usual the French screw over Canada. The French judge has admitted she was ordered by her corrupt federation to give the Russian couple her first place vote in return for the Russian's vote in the ice dancing in which again Canada has the best.

Disgusting. At least the Americans and Brits are behind us.


mutt

Hey would the day be complete without a beasty gallery on the hun using CCbill to process?

http://www.japteens.com/ahun321/index.html


Toolz ARS

Also NEW AskColin installment. It's a good one! Of course I don't understand a word of it BUT that's the beauty of AskColin, you don't have to get it, it just makes ya wonder and think.

http://www.opranoplus.com/askcolin

People interested in sponsoring an Oprano March Madness NCAA Hoops Contest please contact me
mutt@oprano.com


mutt

Dan gulf is nice and calm, partied a little too much last night - so I am working off a hangover. This Ibill stuff is not helping me out much!
Mike AI They don't dick around with your join forms!!

Brad good to see you posting!! :-)

Yeah, best case scenario, Ibill dropped the ball and just did not inform webmasters of their good intentions. This enough is bad, seems like communication at Ibill is like that road sign ONE WAY.

Worst case scenario, Ibill is getting hammered with chargebacks, needs to improve their ratios, so is misleading customers, throwing up donation forms, and is hoping to explain it away as being charitable. When in reality there is some major problems...

The truth is out there!!!



Mike AI They don't dick around with your join forms!!

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mutt

joel, you have mail.

DMR<<<<BAD,very BAD there's still a very bad and angry memory there. Thank goodness I'm not into ibill the same way!

mike hows the gulf?
dantheman hosting the nets finest sites since 1996

Good to see we are not the only one having problems with getting replies from Ibill. Have to wonder what idiots they have over there with millions of dollars at stake.
Brad Shaw SIC CASH

Drav,

There's a difference between ignoring a client and disclosing to them what is going on. Don't get me wrong the support has been decent, the disclosure has been lacking.


Toolz ARS

But how IBill could be stupid enough to ignore ARS is just mind-boggling.
********************

Drab=v,
who needs ARS when they have checked $1 box and they get 85 cents from it, plus increased transaction numbers???

JR,
do you need partners for EnronBill.com ?
;-))
Serge

Toolz, that would be somewhat understandable -- but still very wrong and still inexcusable -- if they ignored a little guy. But how IBill could be stupid enough to ignore ARS is just mind-boggling.

Dravyk the industry brought to you daily

to get an answer you need to kick down the door, bust out a flamethrower on the whole lot.
==================================
Actually I was having a little Al Pacino flash back there, remember Scent of a Woman? When they're at the trial for his nephew, ah that's some classic Al for ya right there.


Toolz ARS

to get an answer you need to kick down the door, bust out a flamethrower on the whole lot.
//////////////////////////////

don't joee owe you any favors?

sounds like his kind of entertaintment
;_))
Serge

Bill,

Sorry didn't mean to leave out Achdebit :) Just haven't had any experience with the product myself but if the support team is any indication of how well the product is then I'd say ACHdebit would have to be top notch too.


Toolz ARS

Todd, I see you have a good memory too. :-)

Dravyk All Of 'Em

Serge, JR, thanks for the information, I really appreciate your feedback, I'll look into the hosting companies
you suggested and I look forward to adding to the "gumbo".
JoeL

Hey Toolz, that's why I mentioned (in differnet words) no matter how good they may or may not be to their customers personally, as I've had no personal experience with them to know myself.

If they did handle themselves well in support terms but not in public, I was saying that was still bad. Obviously, if they ignore customers one-to-one on top of it, well, I guess they really don't want to stay in business long, do they.

I remember where IBill started. They were the only processor that was into adult pre-Internet. They were called TABS at the time (forget what the acronym stood for, but the T was for Telephone.) If a user wanted to join on a pay-BBS, they used TABS and it would appear on their phone bill. And there was only one type of BBS that was ever for pay: adult ones. :-)

... When you ignore your roots, your tree usually comes crashing down. ;-))

Dravyk All Of 'Em

at least one billing company is striving to be ABOVE board all the time.
Toolz
******************************

I can think of at least ONE other... even in its more trying times! ;-)))



bpj Here comes the Sun....

Dravyk,
well said, and very true..

I don't know what happ. with ibill. They used to be called Logicomm, we started using some of there modules on our 60 line bbs system like in 1993 or so, always had great support, etc. Guess they got extemely big upon coming to the intertet, and mabey lost a little focus.
sextoyking

Drav,

How does this non-entity public image differ from how they deal with their webmasters? Not very much and I'd say we're a good sized client of theirs, to get an answer you need to kick down the door, bust out a flamethrower on the whole lot. Then, maybe, you'll get an answer.

Toolz ARS

Who is The Cyber Web, Inc. out of Jacksonville, FL.?
Got a check, can't place who it is.

Shok
*****************

Shok, it was me and I sent you by mistake, please endorse it and return to me
;-))
Serge

I'll say one thing about IBill, they never post anywhere. Ever. (Excluding your bust, Vick! hehe)

Epoch never used to except for Clay everyone once a year, but now Rand is posting lately. For CC Bill, everyone can always get ahold of KK on the public forums. For ACH Debit, BJP is always about. Jettis, JMScore is around. Even NetBilling, Mitch will come out when required. But IBill always has had this ivory tower too-good-for-the-boards, scared-to-be-seen-in-public image.

Doesn't matter how good they may or may be servicewise mano-a-mano, their public communications image is a nonentity, and I've never seen that to be good business.

Dravyk All Of 'Em

Who is The Cyber Web, Inc. out of Jacksonville, FL.?
Got a check, can't place who it is.

Shok $$$$$$$

Im currently searching for a new host
__________________________________
JoeL, please stay tuned for the launching of our new product to compliment our billing system enronbill.com

enronfreehost.com

JR

JoeL,
welcome to the gumbo!

hosts:
XXXhosting.com
CandidHosting.com
mach10hosting.com
Natnet.com

make your pick, all good companies
with excelelnt connectivity and reputations
Serge

Serge np:))
--------------

Mikeai you are totally correct. DMR gave everyone a fucking!! remember the posts on the boards when ppl weren't getting there money or reserves back from them, it was a sad month
sextoyking

Hello Oprano, Im new here, voodooman directed me to this board. Im currently searching for a new host, please spam me at wwwomble at kscable dot com Thanks!

JoeL

Serges, it appears some people have left Ibill recently...
************************

do you call ARS and Siccash PEOPLE????

they are the party animals, not people
;-)))
Serge

I beleive some people were doing this before with DMR and Epoch a long time ago - they would set up a site where people could join for $1.00 just to lower charge back ratio.
******************

only in this case they keep 85% from every $1 collected on TOP of their increased transaction numbers...

I WANNA PLAY OVER/UNDER on Ibill,
who's gonna make a line?
;-))
Serge (how is Vegas, guys?)

Serges, it appears some people have left Ibill recently... In my opinion, without a DOUBT, the donation box is a way to increase number of transactions to keep chargebacks in a low range.

I beleive some people were doing this before with DMR and Epoch a long time ago - they would set up a site where people could join for $1.00 just to lower charge back ratio.

So the real news is Ibill may be over its chargeback ratio allowed by Visa and Mastercard - which is a MAJOR problem, which leads to HUGE fines, as well as maybe a revoking of merchant account.


Mike AI They don't dick around with your join forms!!

Thank goodness 80% of my processing is with Jettis. The #1 thing I hav always LOVED about Jettis is the communication they have with customers, as well as the PROFESIONAL way in which they conduct business!!
-----------------------------------
Thank god for that Mike, at least one billing company is striving to be ABOVE board all the time.


Toolz ARS

need more transactions so they can keep there cb ratios and others within there line.
*************************

MarcDe, Toolz, can it have something to do with your departure?

you are not with Ibill anymore, are you?
Serge

Todd, I realized my mistake when I saw your second post
;-))

soooooorrrryyyyyyy!
;-))
Serge

Post # 55124 been deleted due to cross posting
;-)
Serge

serge

remember, nopiss4u:))))


sextoyking

Serge,

donations and charities are fine in my book, but to have ibill put a box there on the signup page is totally wrong in my opinion.

been in the merchant game for many many years, it might be, need more transactions so they can keep there cb ratios and others within there line.
----------------------------------

Todd,
you are are Oprano "charities" specialist, and you were noticable abscent...
how come you don't embrace the new "charity" on the block?
sextoyking

Hi All,

just read the new top list reviews at porn resource
http://www.pornresource.com/article.php?aid=520

Thanks Boss Hawg for the kind words, and thanks to our whole team at webinc.com for working hard and getting us to #2

Special hats off of course to MikeW, still is the king at #1

peace

sextoyking webinc design

MikeAI, great minds think alike ;-) i think that post says alot.

an appropriate approach for damagem control would be explaining about the "non-profit", what it does, where its registered, where its information can be found, who the officers are, who is behind it, what is their activity etc.


It could be this simple folks:

you form a 501(c)(3) non profit. You solicite funds in this way. You put you and your two buddies on the board of directors meeting the minimum requirement of 3 members.

you then take your millions you are stealing, pay yourselves a salary which would the maximum allowed by IRS Internal Revenue Code and could be in the 6 digits depending on the size and scope of the company.

you then are required to give only 5% of that money taken in away to any charity, the rest of which can be invested to "insure growth of the entity and to support its charitable activities"

What a fucking cool way to create a 6 digit salary for the rest of your life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JR

Its just like making money out of complete fucking thin air
******************************

JR,
I think you are about to infringe
;-)))

you inclusion of "complete fucking" doesn't change
"money out of the thin air" SC copyrights!
;_))
Serge

This is I wonder if Ibill is going to help further making the world a little better place by stop processing for Rape sites, incest websites, scat sites, beasty sites...

Funny how that anon post says Ibill is trying to help the industry out, but yet they process for every scumbag site in the world. They are also the official porcessor of spammers - who many times direct their e-mails to children's e-mail boxes.

I spoke to my IBill rep on phone, he tried giving me the same line of BS - I told him that does not fly. he said they were going to take off the donation box by end of the day. I am not holding my breath.

I have Epoch set up as secondary processor for all of my IBill sites, I beleive that tommorow if there are no answers, and if the "donation" box is still on, I will be making the switch!

Thank goodness 80% of my processing is with Jettis. The #1 thing I hav always LOVED about Jettis is the communication they have with customers, as well as the PROFESIONAL way in which they conduct business!!


Mike AI They don't dick around with your join forms!!

Cleo Ibill processes discover for adult site transactions


Vick that was so funny but really it is sad

Oprano 3rd Processor pick'em and have a grand prize of the title of
"International Exploited Children Savior"? '
_______________________________

Serge, we commend your enthusiasm for correcting the ills of the world by scamming BOTH surfers AND webmasters.

Please contact enronbill.com charitable contributions dept for our new Philanthropy Guidedbook

"Holy Shit... why the fuck didnt we think of that before? Its just like making money out of complete fucking thin air"

JR

I wonder what would happen if Visa and Mastercard stopped taking adult sites the way AmEx and Discover have?

Cleo_LinkUP (Are You Experienced)

Ibill got some 'spalining to do Luchy

the way I am seeing this play out is a lot of companies are going to lose significant $
If many webmasters pull out of Ibill particularly ones who process significant amounts with them Ibill starts hurting
their overall billing dollar amount drops but amount of Chargebacks stay the same from previous memberships
then their overall chargeback% shoots way up and they could be fined
that could lead to a DMR situation

It is all Ibill's fault, they screwed themselves and their processing partners
The prechecked box was a bad idea and may indirectly lead to their downfall

If they had honored their agreement to me to remove the prechecked box
and today wouldn't have happened

also predict Ibill will ostrich and keep there heads in the sand and not address these issues


Vick that was so funny but really it is sad

if you have any questions
****************************

I have a question...
how long will it take to set up
Oprano 3rd Processor pick'em and have a grand prize of the title of
"International Exploited Children Savior"?

Todd,
you are are Oprano "charities" specialist, and you were noticable abscent...
how come you don't embrace the new "charity" on the block?
;-))
Serge

For additional questions and concerns

for accounting questions:
shredder@enronbill.com

for legal questions:
subpoena@enronbill.com

for marketing questions:
yourallfuckingsheep@enronbill.com

for new accounts:
oneborneveryminute@enronbill.com

JR

LEGAL DISCLAIMER:

I would like to declare that our company EnronBill is not in anyway connected to IBill and does not necessarily condone or agree with what they are doing.

if you have any questions for us about our charitable contributions and community involvement you can contact us through the law offices of 5thamendment@enronbill.com

JR

JR funny how you and I thought the same thing about Enron=IBill.


A lot of you may not remember DMR going down, I was one that got stiffed for a lot of money 6 figures...

It is like DejaVu, all over again with Ibill!!
Mike AI They don't dick around with your join forms!!

This is the biggest bust in years for this industry. IBill has some major explaining to do, not only about this $1 box going to "Charity" ( one no one can find info abut, one they told people about after getting caught - very fishy), then to insult our intelligence and try to make a post to support their own shameful actions?

With this post, first thought that went through my mind was "ENRON" these guys are acting just like the leaders of Enron before they collapsed...

This is an issue that that worry EVERYONE about IBIll.... When the lies begin, I guess the papershredders are getting warmed up!

I have sent an e-mail to my IBill rep, who had sent e-mail to someone at IBill to have forms taken down - ( they are still NOT down)... but I sent another one asking him to call me.

This could be the BIGGEST scandel of the entire history of the industry.

Like with politicans, its not what they did, its the coverup that always gets them - lying. When you start directly lying to customers point blenk to cover your actions, there is MAROR PROBLEMS!!




Michael, this happened on the Netpond board
Ibill planted a post and I busted them!!!!


I've been listing to this crap all weekend. Did you ever think that they
were doing you a favor? I hear that the federal gov't and visa are clamping
down on our industry. Could it be that one company is trying to buy us some
good will? I haven't noticed any fallout on my sites. In fact, my joins are
up. Maybe it's time some of you pull your head out of your A** and see
what's really going on....
ragdoll, 80% partnership on over 50 websites!
Tue Feb 12 14:13:42 2002 - 206.154.135.7 - message #171383


Ragdoll I knew it
YOUR A PLANT
YOUR IP IS 206.154.135.7 translates to pix01.ibill.com

Tue Feb 12 14:22:59 2002 - 68.55.232.91 - message #171386
Mike AI They don't dick around with your join forms!!

Where can I invest in enronbilling.com? Do you have a 401k plan?
--------------------------

Though we are a startup with no business history, no track record and no business plan we do have one strong asset that you will ALL be able to take advantage in your billing:

creative accounting.

We are VERY confident in an IPO within the next couple months. In fact, our auditors had most of the IPO discolures and audits "pre prepared" before we were incorporated. How is that for effeciency?

Will we have a 401K plan. No! We are a progressive company and are launching what we call "402K plus" that will be open for any employee of ANY company to invest in.

JR

DaveAFX,
check first if confucy is suing them before investing!
;-))
Serge are you getting paid on FREE sign ups?

Where can I invest in enronbilling.com? Do you have a 401k plan?

DaveAFX

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:

I would like to let the adult world know about our wonderful new billing system we will be launching next week.

Our market analysis has told us that far too few billing companies are exploiting the advantages of skewing public perception through the deceptive use of "caused base marketing" and has left the market wide open for a "Billing company who cares"

Please check us out soon at:

www.enronbill.com


JR

http://www.icmec.org/html/icmec_corporate_sponsors.htm

and where does Ibill fit?
Serge

http://www.icmec.org/


From GFY
Forest

To be honest, as this world goes,
is to be one man picked out of ten thousand

Hamlet
II.ii 178-9


Vick Still laughing ..... and laughing

<< Now we are talking, I know of a few penises that I would like to smoke. >>

Now you're talking MY language ;-)))
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

um, Mike...I'm assuming it's the smoking part???

;))
SykkBoy New Sykk Thoughts Column

Good article at Salon talking about the PBS "American Porn" show and porn in general.
http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2002/02/11/frontline/index.html

Thought these parts were worth quoting here:

"If porn is mainstream ... how can the media still affect the charade that most Americans need to be told about this stuff? The answer lies in the gap between what Americans do or watch and what they will acknowledge they do or watch. Even those of us who watch porn might atill be embarrassed if we were to see someone we know when we're buying a porn magazine or renting a video.

"But 'American Porn' implicitly allowed its audience the comfort of not probing that shame. At times it even fell into the "creeping scourge" syndrome, referring to porn being "swept into our living rooms" or, speaking of cable porn, "This is how it's channeled into millions of American homes," or that VCRs "allowed porn to come right into the home." This is the passive language that people adopt to talk about books or movies or broadcasts they don't like. It's the language of Little Nells subjected against their will to the cruelties of a caddish world: "I tried locking the doors, Margaret, but them gol-durn pornographers threw them dirty movies in through the transom!" Porn isn't swept or channeled into anybody's home unless they choose to bring it there. It wasn't VCRs that allowed porn to come "right into the home"; it was people deciding to rent or buy porn videos."

Dravyk Oprano reviews and much much more

Ok I can stop processing with Ibill now
after busting them like that I am laughing my ass off
Made my day

Serge - J$tyle$ pearl ;-)



Vick that was so funny