Serge,

I am waiting, no rush on my end, I will be around all day
sextoyking

Jlow,

you may not agree with why i posted this on all the boards, that is your choice. it's called principle.

this has nothing to do with competition at all, and I mean that!!!

if we sold content, and someone stold that, would you be saying the same thing to me??

sextoyking

i remember when sextoyking and other people had some issues sextoyking got bent out of shape for bringing business to the boards.
*************************

JohnIP, is that you?
;-)))
Serge

Todd,
I haven't seen in on ICQ all day and he isn't here now either.

Having young kids in the family doesn't always allows to respond in the timely fashion.

Even though his kids don't have father in jail and don't need webmasters auctions/donations
let's give him some time to respond before pounding him more, shall we?

what are a few more minutes among us all?
Serge

Serge, Todd might not win a big dick contest - but I think he has the big dildo contest locked up!

HAHAHA
Mike AI Get your .biz and .info domains CHEAP!

it is common knowledge that shrimpy and sextoyking do not like each other. this is a ploy by sextoyking to make as much trouble for shrimpy as he can. he could have handled it in a different manner. i remember when sextoyking and other people had some issues sextoyking got bent out of shape for bringing business to the boards.

i guess he does not extend the same courtisy he expects from other people to shrimpy.

not only does sextoyking go public, but it appears he does it on every board he possibly could. sour grapes? sextoyking afraid of competition? trying to hurt shrimpys business?

sextoyking is trying to make a big stink over this to make him and his company look better and to hurt shrimpy. it is the only reason he is turning this into a supreme court case.

while shrimpy may not be an internet guru, sextoyking is a big crybaby trying to stir shit to his benefit. how sad.
J.Low

DISCLAIMER
==================

I am NOT talking about MY ass for a change!

"to stick it up the ass"
Serge

Mark,
for your reference, I tried calling 2 times last night for shaky, and his wife, left msg's, and also added them both to my icq.
sextoyking

where you just looking to have a big dick contest today ??
*********************************

Mark,
Todd hasn't had much luck winning "big dicks contests" on this board lately,
but this one was too good to miss for that reason
;-))

would any of us pass the opportunity to stick it up the ass, when we have a clear cut case?
;-))

..and now I'm back to mumbling
"Only Human..."
;-)))
Serge

meanwhile...
new interesting content is offered at
http://www.opranocontent.com/msgboard/

I like it and like the ideas
Serge

Todd, can I ask why you didn't mention this to Sharky first.

you did email him and he did send you his #

where you just looking to have a big dick contest today ??


Mark / Cybrglide

Serge,

haha;-)


Andy A MegaHardcore Broadband Niche is HERE, just $99!

Serge,

I'm a bit hungover and very cranky;-) if that helps;-)))


Andy A
**********************

you gotta hang with me more often...
you'll be sober and underfucked, but...
you mind will be sharp as "blue cheese"
;-)))
Serge

I dunno about a spin free zone but I thought the graphics in Post # 51252 looked like a big ripoff too..

Not much said then..wazzup there?

Opti

Alien posted on Netpond
******************************

I thought AGA pays him to do work for Aga?, no?
;-)))
Serge

Serge,

I'm a bit hungover and very cranky;-) if that helps;-)))


Andy A MegaHardcore Broadband Niche is HERE, just $99!

cyberglide,

his company, his responsability
sextoyking

Let's see what Sharky says....

Alien posted on Netpond:
4 instances of pixel measuring and only 1 compare is incorrect, but that could be due to margining.

Mini font case size is exact.

BG color is same exact hex number. #FFD9F6
Adjust Hue +120 and Saturation +25 and bingo same gradient combo.

My money is on the same designer.
Alien (Once Upon A Nightmare)


If he truly DID steal the exact design from that exact site then Sharky's desginer needs a kick in the ass..

Everyone is biting off that style design, that site has NOTHING original about it.


Andy A MegaHardcore Broadband Niche is HERE, just $99!

Todd, I'm not one to do the spin

fact is, same as you the bottom line is that "sharky" didn't do the design

point your finger at his employee

or does your hard-on for him not extend that far ??

Mark / Cybrglide

AndyA,
I think you are talking about issue which is NOT at hand.
Serge

Andy - I meant 'original' as it was done first. as for the graffiti style name, i did not even think about that one. try to compare background and overal style....
Peter Webinc Webinc - We're Original

Todd, you would definately get the benefit of the doubt from me. Many people do not get that, at least from me.


Mike AI Get your .biz and .info domains CHEAP!

Andy, cyberglide,

no spin zone here ok.

so many of the top designers out here that we have all known have icq'd me and said it was a copy, ripoff, knockoff, etc. you pick the word you want to use..
---------------------
Cactusbutt, it's called 1 thing,

Principle!!!

sextoyking

who gives a shit anyways...


Andy A
*******************

I DO.

Mike is my friend and Todd is not exactly a stranger either.
All political rethorics has no wei=ght on business.

I CARE, because I hope this debacle is bringing short comings in the open and when they are sweapt under the rug-
ENRON comes out to mind.

WE, Sharky's and Todd' friends want them both to succeed in this business and I glad Todd brought it in the open,
there is a lesson in here ALL of us can learn from....even if the medecine tastes like shit, it still does the work
;-)))
Serge

Meni,
15 bucks!

Throw it up on http://www.domainapex.com
Drestin Cohen's new toilet paper

Mike,

I would expect it from you or anyone!
------------------------------------
Peter, I would be saying the same thing about Todd if someone came here with evidence of one of his employees borrowing from other people.

sextoyking

*****
BUT why not just take it up with Brad Todd? Then Brad could have gone to the other design company and said he wasn't happy, that the work wasn't original and have them do another one for him.
*****

mutt - ego, pride, competition, $$$

I'll shut up now...after all, I am just a freesite bulider who doesn't make any "real money".

CactusButt

PS- There is NOTHING original about that teen site. That graffiti style name is the only thing similar about the sites

If the site had anything original about it I'd be the first to call Sharky on it

my guys are designing a site with a Start Tour button on the bottom right... I hope nobody accuses me of stealing there ideas
Andy A MegaHardcore Broadband Niche is HERE, just $99!

probably because "good people are hard to find"?
___________

Serge this is my #1 challenge in all of my business I run. I am fortunate to have had a great core group, but otherwise its be hit and miss.
Mike AI Get your .biz and .info domains CHEAP!

Peter, I would be saying the same thing about Todd if someone came here with evidence of one of his employees borrowing from other people.


Mike AI Get your .biz and .info domains CHEAP!

and it's really hard
to understand why somebody, from
respectable company, is trying to
copy everything from scratch?
*********************************

probably because "good people are hard to find"?
Serge

Peter I agree with you, I am not making excused for Sharky. He will stand on his own and I am sure will tell everyone what the deal is.

Sometime employees who are lazy tend to steal. Look at Steven Ambrose and his latest books.

Sharky is ultimately responsible for him employees, so he will haveto eat some shit. But I do not see Sharky instructing his employees or encourgaing them to steal ideas for designs.


Mike AI Get your .biz and .info domains CHEAP!

Sharky is not jacking any looks... if his guy got a little overinspired by this other site than Sharky will deal with it...

Have you taken a look at most of the sites out there? They are all starting to look very alike...

who gives a shit anyways...


Andy A MegaHardcore Broadband Niche is HERE, just $99!

Serge, please don't tell momma...
Mike AI Get your .biz and .info domains CHEAP!

Sharky will rise to the occasion, I'll stand behind him anyday.
Drestin Ouch, that hurt!

Mike, design is a tough business,
as any other out there!

But still, taking inspirations, and
copying most of the design, are 2
different things ;) There is
thousands of options how to do every
single site, and it's really hard
to understand why somebody, from
respectable company, is trying to
copy everything from scratch?
Peter Webinc Webinc - We're Original

selling 1 domain
tattoogirls.com
first bid I like gets it
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

INfact I have had some people accuse me of it...
****************************

YES, you did!

You stole lawn mover from your bayou neighbor!!!!!

we all saw that!!!!
;-)))
Serge

I just took Mutt's advice and got all "eeny-meeny" on the Pickem's Ass! You can too - its EASY! just got to http://www.opranoplus.com/superbowl and login and start clicking buttons - USE THE FORCE! Don't read the prop stuff - just click on buttons until you reach the bottom of the page and TADA!

Zebra - thanks for the furby hacking info - I think I've got one of those sitting around.... It will be cool once I've got it quoting Hannibal Lecter instead of talking furby nonsense.....
Edd (Opranautical Engineer) Where are the lambs, Clarisse?

Todd, there is no doubt Sharky knew the site was being built. But did he know the guy got his inspiration from one of your sites?

Design business is a tough one to be in, there is only so much that can be done...

I have seen people take "inspirations" all the time. INfact I have had some people accuse me of it...


Mike AI Get your .biz and .info domains CHEAP!

Mark,

we shall wait and see what sharky says, my money says he knew all about all work being done!!
sextoyking
********************

Todd,
he doesn't, I am just off the phone with him, but I'm sure he sees what we see.
Serge

Todd, with all the paysite designs out there
could you always be 100% sure one of your
designs didn't take some liberty in design at some point in time ?

I'd say not ..... impossible.

I agree there is blame here, maybe just a little misdirected ;-))

Mark / Cybrglide

Todd

how do you suppose Sharky knew the design was 'copied'? How do you know when your designers do projects that somewhere out there there isn't a site that looks just like it? Other than trust your employees there is no way to guard against it.
mutt

Yeah, Sharkys guy definately jacked the look. I had an employee do that once, he was so lame that he even kept the meta tags in. The guy got canned quickly!


Mike AI Get your .biz and .info domains CHEAP!

I am off the phone with Sharky,
he is 20 mins from the office,
let him take the look what everybody talk about,
it's only fair.
Serge

i'm sure Mark is right. There are thousands of paysites out there, there's no database of designs to check to see if a designer took a little too much inspiration from another designer.


mutt

Mark,

we shall wait and see what sharky says, my money says he knew all about all work being done!!
sextoyking

i like the blue one better but it's the same design.

But with the number of paysites and designers out there it is pretty hard to do anything original.

mutt

the two designs do look alot alike.

in sharky's defense, the same as how Todd didn't design the site
neither did sharky, and while he is accountable for his employee's actions
I'm sure he wasn't aware that infact (IMHO) his employee did
in some way copy that site.

the blame is not on Sharky, but his employee and i'm very sure he will deal with it correctly.

Mark / Cybrglide

mutt,
I'll tell you even more:
Todd's girls are prettier and I like pink background more...

Sharky,
is that the "rice" yopu promissed the other day?
;_))
Serge

Todd - also no graphic skills here, and I haven't looked at the compare URL yet, but here is what I notice:

index - Top bar and bottom bar are similar. Same height, similar blurb under the header, similar blurb above footer, almost identical footer.

tour1 - same things as index, plus both photo sells. Two large images left and right, text down middle and thumblike images bottom center.

tour2 - same things as index, plus both video sells. Two large images left and right, text down middle and thumblike images bottom center.

tour3 - same thing as index, plus both live sex show sells. Thumblike images center at the bottom. Text and right/left images are different.

BTW - I wouldn't have signed up for either...I hate tattoos and am too old for teenagers...

CactusButt

BUT why not just take it up with Brad Todd? Then Brad could have gone to the other design company and said he wasn't happy, that the work wasn't original and have them do another one for him.


mutt

it's a knockoff.



NEXT!
mutt

Of course the Hillary of CCBill might be upset not because of the attacks on CCBill, she might be a sore loser. She was leading the Oprano NFL Pick'em until the last week... when Vick came on strong and won.

She blamed the Saints... I have to agree with her. The Saints fucked us all over.

I hope she returns, she definately added to the Gumbo!!

Maybe she will make a strong showing in the http://www.opranoplus.com/superbowl/ SuperBowl Prop Pick'em... Win some prizes, and be back here!


Mike AI Get your .biz and .info domains CHEAP!

"I'm sure she'd kick all your asses if she had more time for it."

Sounds like fun!

Monk

Oh God! Didn't somebody mention Epoch right after lunch....baaarrrfff!

Thanks for helping lose weight though, and thanks for reminding me I still need to try to get my payment that is 2 1/2 months overdue!

CactusButt

Hi All,

Late last night my project manager for webinc.com

Peter informed me that he had seen another paysite design,
that looked like it had been copied, or alot of it copied from one of our sites we had done in
the past.

I told Peter I will check on this ASAP. of course everyone in the world knows
I have NO artistic skills whatsoever, but I do trust Peter 100%.
After asking 2 diff. design people what they thought about these 2
sites, I have came to the conclusion that some if not alot of
our work was copied from our design.

Mind you, this site has not been released yet,
the reason our team was seeing this, we are doing a bunch
of banners for shaw. But the design is complete.

When asking these people to check both sites, all I said is can you look at these
'2' url's and see if you see anything similar between the '2'.
I didn't even tell them at first why I was asking, or give any other info..

The URL of our design is:

http://www.webinc.com/samples/teenscreamers/
-----------------

The URL of the site that copied is:


http://www.aaaadultdesign.com/clients/shaw_internet/sites/tattooednymphos.com/
---------------------------

I would ask anyone with any graphic sense at all,
too look at these 2 url's.

Now as I don't have any art sense at all, I asked Peter to point out to me
a couple of things he was seeing, he did so at this url:

http://www.webinc.com/work/compare/

------------------------

I am highly upset at Sharky and his so called design company,
I belive this is no mere coincidence at all.


Note ** The site we are very pissed off about was being done for Shawinternet.
Shawinternet is a great company who we do lots of work for,
and I consider Brad Shaw a friend. Brad of course had nothing to do
with this BS, and his rep is GOLDEN with us here **



Some might not take this as a big deal, but we sure do.

All I can say is this is complete Bull Shit, and you all can be the judge.

Thanks

Todd Ostrer
www.webinc.com
todd@programs.net
888-999-4554
ICQ: 52344098


sextoyking

guys,
don't you think there are lots of you and only ONE
KK?

yeah, put it on your mantle:
we, all of us, got KK's horns!

I'm sure she'd kick all your asses if she had more time for it.
Serge

KK has left the building.

Monk

i still don't sleep that well at night knowing that the zombie servers might attack.

nobody from IBill posts here either. Or MSBill. Or Epoch.

Just Jettis. GO JETTIS OR GO HOME!!!!
mutt

Colin, I agree

http://www.opranosearch.com/msgboard/

IS POPPING!!! I love the colors and look too!


Mike AI Get your chance to win over $6,000 in cash and prizes!!!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/23493.html

Please do not make any calous posts about CCBill. One memeber of the company already refuses to post here anymore because she was treated unfairly.

CCBill is a company that has take then Clinton administration as its roll model... They never do anything wrong, they never admit to anything, and when all else fails start accusing other people of smearing you. It's all part of the right-wing conspiracy!

Right Hillary?


Mike AI Oh yeah, it is on! Who can win these prizes!

For those with way too much time - A Furby hacking kit.
Hack your Furby and make him say what you want!
http://www.appspec.net/index.html
Zebra

http://opranosearch.com/msgboard/
is kicking ass!
Colin Walk the walk ...

We have to TALK?!
Colin Walk the walk ...

ccbill needs to go after these scammers!
Learner ccbill is on top of things!

Why did god give women pussies?

So men would talk to them.


JMM (Oprano's Resident Satirist) VAGINA SPECIAL - 10% off all pics with VAGINAS in them!

Mike Tyson and Mariah Carey are destined to be together aren't they?

I can see their wedding now, the bride will be wearing a white.....straight jacket and the groom will be wheeled in on a dolly strapped down like Hannibal Lechter.


mutt

How is a man like a pair of pantyhose?

They either cling, they run, or they don't fit right in the crotch.


Sabrina I want to make your members happy :)

HoneLynn,
something more to bring smiles to your face:

What did God say after creating man?
I can do better.

Why is a woman different from a PC?
A woman won't accept a 3½" floppy


What do men and women have in common?
They both distrust men


What do most men think Mutual Orgasm is?
An insurance company.


Why did God create man?
Because a vibrator can't mow the lawn.

Why do men like love at first sight?
It saves them a lot of time.


;-)))
Serge

unless HE was a brain in the family
------------------------------------
Thanks Serge. That was the funniest thing I have heard all day ;-))

HoneLynn
************************

at least I was able to put ONE smile today
;-))
Serge

Cleo,

Im doing pretty good here, thanks for asking. Im just dead in the water as far as doing anything on net, seeing how I've called Verizon to get my DSL up and running and everytime I call, I get the same thing, "Well, Mr. Romesburg, we are sorry for any inconvienience, but for some reason your order has not been put into the system yet". Now they are telling me DSL isn't avail on my line.
But, other than that, NY is great.
When are you coming to visit? :-))
voodooman

unless HE was a brain in the family
------------------------------------
Thanks Serge. That was the funniest thing I have heard all day ;-))

HoneLynn

Voodoo,
check Cleo's board,
Jim sends FREE TRAFFIC to gallery submitters!
http://opranosearch.com/msgboard/
Serge (Jordan vs. Dreamon)

I think we should have PatteyCake start a new webmaster auction so we can raise money
***************************

NOW I know what Todd was promissing this morning
;-)))
Serge

voodooman
How are things going for you, hope all is well.

Cleo_LinkUP (Satisfied with yourself?)

Drestin,
I'm not even touching this one...doesn't matter who and how,
sex.com stank,
sex.com stinks
and sex.com will always stink one way or another.

call me "naive"
;-)))
Serge (Jordan vs. Dreamon)

I think we should have PatteyCake start a new webmaster auction so we can raise money to help steve cohen get some toilet paper! ( none of the cheap 1 ply generic stuff either, maybe some Charmin!)
Mike AI Oh yeah, it is on! Who can win these prizes!

oh yeah New AskColin is up. Questions questions and more questions

http://www.opranoplus.com/askcolin
mutt

Serge,

Things are going well here, thanks.

Ill talk to you tonight.
voodooman

so Cohen can't afford toilet paper, yet can afford to travel to California for court and can afford endless appeals? hmmm
I wonder if all those stories of him bragging about ho w much the domain was making are really coming back to haunt him? :)

god forbid he should actually get a job...then maybe he could afford toilet paper?

I could use someone to mow the lawn here and I'm sure I could pay him enough to afford a couple rolls of TP (hell, Costco has a kick ass sale on it this week)

I love seeing theives cry about bullshit they cause themselves....
SykkBoy make more bank in '02 and buy more toilet paper

this is a good time for adult webmasters to come together and do some good. Anyone have an address we can send the toilet paper?
***************************************

New?
Drestin

yeah the slavery thing being against the Constitution is good. He is creative at least.

C'mon people the Super Bowl is mere days away, the media has descended on New Orleans, the players are in the whorehousess, time to play MaxCash SuperPickem and win some $$$
and some prizes!

http://www.opranoplus.com/superbowl

A month of WebmasterCentral's Broadband Video plugin is just one prize among many!
http://www.webmastercentral.com


mutt

did somebody fucked your brains out?
------------------------------------
Yea. I got divorced.
HoneLynn
********************************

hmmmm...divorces are
"fucking out of MONEY",
not BRAINS,
unless HE was a brain in the family
;-)))
Serge

Cohen has a flair for the over-dramatic... the slavery thing is pretty funny.

What goes around comes around...
**********************************

yes!
his law suit against me and sexia.com put ME into slavery and now I have to work for Oprano 'till my balls fell off!

;-)))
Serge

Hey Serge, hows it goin?
voodooman
********************

heya, stranger! how are you my friend!?

haven't heard from you lately, I'll call you tonite!
Serge

Cohen has a flair for the over-dramatic... the slavery thing is pretty funny.

What goes around comes around...
Mike AI Oh yeah, it is on! Who can win these prizes!

Cohen is a professional cockholster going back decades. He's got money all over the place you can bet on that. Dunno if he can get to it from Mexico right now tho.

mutt

just got back from the vets, 500 more dollars. 3,000 dollars in last
3 months. ugh........ bigger thieves than Steve Cohen!

Gimme your credit card or the doggy dies!!!!


mutt

did somebody fucked your brains out?
------------------------------------
Yea. I got divorced.
HoneLynn

Good article about Steve Cohen... he cannot afford toilet paper...
_________________________________
this is a good time for adult webmasters to come together and do some good. Anyone have an address we can send the toilet paper?
JR

Hey Serge, hows it goin?
voodooman

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,50104,00.html

Good article about Steve Cohen... he cannot afford toilet paper...
Mike AI Oh yeah, it is on! Who can win these prizes!

My mind was lost long ago.
*********************************

did somebody fucked your brains out?

what a way to go!
;_)))
Serge

electronic gadgets
-----------------------------

Serge don't wanna give it up cuz it vibrates too

;-))
Mark / Cybrglide

awsome! Where do I get me one of these electronic gadgets?
*****************************

I can sell you mine
;-)
Serge

I am running out of ideas...
what's on YOUR mind?
;-)
Serge
------------------------------------
I have no idea. My mind was lost long ago. Been so long, they don't even list it on the milk cartons anymore. ;-)
HoneLynn

awsome! Where do I get me one of these electronic gadgets?


Ryan AAA Adult Design

Ryan,
I did!

1) get yourself the electronic gadget, it's a perfect night light!
;-))

2) get something sweet on the bottom of your sink,
wait 1 hours 'till they all crawl all over it. Put hot water on them!

repeat 3 times a day for 3 months!
Serge

Serge have you figured out the secret to ant control here in FL?

Now that its warming up, the ants are back and its driving me nuts.

HELP ME!
Ryan AAA Adult Design