I wonder if your wife-2-be is smart?
*************************************

yes, but more importtant she is Sicilian....she made me an offer I couldn't refuse...
;-))
Serge

pissing .. urologist.

That line is a pearl!
Colin 4 Free Bucks is kicking ass!

Marie Curie won 2.
Colin 4 Free Bucks is kicking ass!

"I am very selective and only those with the horns and a nice tail never get refused ;-)"
--------------------------------

So this is this one OK Serge?
http://www.wyldesites.com/horns.jpg

;-))))))
MikeW

hahahahhahaha,
Voltar's board looks like your life story
**********
The life of Cleo maybe, but what is behind the curtain?

Cleo (to know me is to love me...)

but I don't believe in getting personal on the boards...
*******************************


hahahahhahaha,
Voltar's board looks like your life story
;-)))
Serge

Good luck Serge
and MikeAI, you ain't gonna win :-)
************************************

that's true...we BOTH suck at Football Pick'em
;-)
Serge

Confucy,
Way to go girl. I would say more, but I don't believe in getting personal on the boards...

Cleo (to know me is to love me...)

and I really wanted to get a picture taken with the mad Russian on top of Liberace's piano.
*********************************

I don't know who started those rumors that I am easy and pose with everybody.

I am very selective and only those with the horns and a nice tail never get refused
;-)

Serge

typical women's trait...giving too much credit or giving none....
----------------------

my ex was into giving none
:)
dantheman get hosting

I love this woman!
**************************

Lee,
and I'm sure women love you...
Serge

http://www.oprano.com/picture05.htm

That is great!

How about - "Now Give Me My $25 Million!"

;)
Jesse

Perhaps I have given you too much
credit for having a brain under that
Russian skull of yours.
****************************

typical women's trait...giving too much credit or giving none....

which is one of the reasons no woman ever won Nobel prize for Science...




Serge

Sex is all in the brain...
***************************

Confucy,
you are confused a bit,
this si not sex chat board,
this is pissing board!

do you need urologist?
;-))
Serge

Slavik,

Please contact me as soon as possible. Thanks.
Stallion

I was there, Lee, but I went for CES and missed all the excitement at the PB. Serge didn't invite me to his event, and I really wanted to get a picture taken with the mad Russian on top of Liberace's piano.

Are you still in Florida? I will be in Miami on Valentine's Day.
confucy Lee Baby

Confucy! Hi Babee! Long time no see
you, the fault is all mine :-)

I love this woman! Good luck Serge
and MikeAI, you ain't gonna win :-)

Lee Noga Oprano loves Mr. Cash

Sergie, don't you get tired of
talking to all these dumb *men*???
Perhaps I have given you too much
credit for having a brain under that
Russian skull of yours.

I wonder if your wife-2-be is smart?
Can you really handle intelligent
women????????

Sex is all in the brain...not in
those small penises of Naked Josh &
MikeAI. Even Mike says the A is for
ARTIFICIAL!
confucy looks like fun was had by all

Okay MikeAI, honey I will ask if
I can sell zipcode lists :-)

Yeah, I liked the old days, the sky
stopped falling when webmasters got
a clue, and Clinton distracted his
staff, and we had Reno as AG--

Everything that was suggested back
then is implemented now as good
business [hence, no sky falling]-

Put my mouth right out of business :(

Those were the days--Yeah know I
could get back into content, but
need a partner, got the vault :-)

Lee Noga

Confucy,
hasn't your mommy taught you that it is rude to get into the conversation uninvited, especially when men are talking?

I'll have to spank you, darling
;-))
Serge

Now I got ya Serge!

I admit, I couldn't help it...I got your check, went here:

http://www.oprano.com/picture05.html

and made a night of it! :)

Jeez, I didn't know people actually still got the cancelled checks back with their bank statements...I think I stopped doing that like 10 years ago...

You know us freesite webmasters are kinda sloooow...

:)

CactusButt

ok, if you can't bring names of FREE site owners making money-
I can ;-))

1) Beth Mansfield - free site owner, bought a boat 3 years ago ;-))

***********************
Hey Serge, what does buying a boat have to do with making money? Plus, Ms. Beth has had a partner for six years. All da profits are not going directly into Ms. Beth's purse. Why not mention the partner's name when you mention her name...Lew Payne! LP is a kick-ass guru who also works with Gary Kremen.
confucy not free--those banners are expensive

CB, after getting the check I sent you with bank statement,
I knew exactly where it has been
;-)))

which explains my hesitance
;-)))
Serge

to all those who stayed at Harrah in Vegas:

the stock is at 52 weeks high,
you did something right!

thank you all!
;-))
Serge

*****
CB, yeah, right, you should have seen my check the way it came from you!
*****

Serge - you refused to take my money...I offered twice! (:

CactusButt

http://www.opranoplus.com/strangers.htm
;-)))

hhahahahahha!
Serge

But of course Mark!

Surely your parents told you...

"DON'T put that money in your mouth! It is dirty!"

Why would you place it in any other orfice without protection?

:)

CactusButt

Yeah Mark,

a dollar bill
lol :)

Star Extreme Green

moneyfucking.com

would one have to where a condom for this ?

;-))

Mark EG V3.0 ...... live large baby !!

CB, yeah, right, you should have seen my check the way it came from you!
;-))
Serge

Serge - I do not do THAT with my money! :)

I am surprise, with all the "new" niche sites created this year, this hasn't been one...moneyfucking.com is still avaailable...hummmm... :)
CactusButt

HAHA! (IRS)
Colin Shit! I'm on Aol right now!

<<There are alot of things I do with my money that no one sees>>
***********************************

now I know where the exprassion
"Money out of the wazoo" came from!
;_))
Serge

Just in case someone from the iRS should drop by the board, please allow me to retract my second statement below...I assure you all business expenses shown on my tax returns are 100% legitimate!

CactusButt

<<There are alot of things I do with my money that no one sees>>

Yeah, while everyone else is driving cool cars, I'm paying for college tuition :|


Peaches

*****
Most successful free site webmasters today are highly diverse. A little bit of this. A little bit of that.
*****

As well they should be! Having all your eggs in one basket versus several different baskets makes a helluvalot bigger mess should the basket break.

*****
please name me 10 webmasters who made REAL MONEY in TGP and TGP2
*****

Serge - how would you define "made REAL MONEY"?

1: Gross?

I make "real money" on a gross basis.

2: Net?

I make "real money" on a net basis.

3: Per hour?

Quite frankly, my hourly wage sucks.

4: Number of cool toys you own?

There are alot of things I do with my money that no one sees, nor do I think it is apporpraite to discuss them in public.

CactusButt

Martin
Smoking grass is my only vice, besides fucking with men...

Cleo (to know me is to love me...) God I love living in South Florida as I sit here in my office with the windows open

Lee, I for one am waiting for you to start selling ZIP code lists and telling everyone how the sky is falling. I miss that Lee, she was so entertaining. You should have good material to work with, having Ashcroft as AG.

Of course that is the 2nd -3rd generation of Lee. Maybe you need to get back into content business. The board business you seem to have struck out 2 times... But I am sure there is an overwhelming groundswell of support from the people for you to give it a third shot!

;-)

Love ya BABEEEEE!


Mike AI

Your probably right MikeAI--
What a wonderful incident to try to
piece together, where is Luke Ford
when you need him?

I been asked to bring back a more
purposeful and credible news type
board where Im doing the reporting.
But no matter how you try to report
news, somebody going to get their
panties twisted...so prob best not
to go there..

Hmmm, naked and running around? Is
that a clue honey? LOL...
Lee Noga

http://www.opranoplus.com/strangers.htm

Mutt this is funny stuff!!


Mike AI

All of the arm chair QB's are out for what is going on with CEN, and JoeE. In reality, I do not think we will ever know the truth.

There is an e-mail floating around that JoeE supposedly sent out to a lot of people talking about this issue. I have read it, it did not appear this was done to help JoeE or CEN protect itself from any cause of action JoeE would be the focus of.

But hey, what do I know? I think naked men running around in public is not a good thing.

Lee Noga, think of the anon fun you could be having if that old board you had up was still working...


Mike AI

Monk,

Yes, its easy to make assumptions
with so little background but an
article that is suggestive-

They must have JoeE locked down he
is well known for speaking when he
should not [lol]---

JoeE if your reading, you know your
loved, but we are gonna believe you
are just fine.

Hope you remained 40K+ up on the
tables :-) Your fun to watch in the
casino :-)


Lee Noga

I guess my original post has the supposition that JB and JoeE co-founded the company together... maybe not?


Monk

Monk,

Now your talking, something is way
to fishy about this whole thing.

It may very well be as it appears
but for some reason I think this is
a counter move to reduce the threat
of a something...if JoeE is not
holding shares, then nobody can
come seize them and become an
unwilling partner in NetManagement.

That makes sense....the fact they
are keeping him as a consultant
tells me they both want to work
together vs. a freeze out which
happens as a result of bitter
feelings after termination--

Workman is a slick lawyer and I
want to believe this is a move to
protect assets.

Im guessing, have no inside info
and could be way off, but I have a
hard time believing JoeE just got
terminated because NMS has the power.

Lee Noga

Monk,

Again, depends on how many people started the company, etc. If you are a single owner then you are
correct, always own 51%. But, anything other than a single owner (founder) and forget it. Most
companies that I have dealt with you figure out all the people that are going to have shares and divvy
those up. So, for example, there may be 16,000,000 shares. 1/3 of those go to founder 1, 1/3 go to
founder 2, some go to important employees, partners, etc. And then, you always keep 8-10% outstanding
for various reasons. And, a board can be very instrumental to make deals, etc. In CEN case, they
probably stayed away from a board. but, who knows.

This is just my experience. ;)

Jesse

Hey Cleo you smoke? Learn something new everyday..

;)
Martin Sarcastic Bastards Apply With In ;-)

If JoeE let his 50% share get diluted, he made a huge mistake. Any privately-held companies that I have dealt with, you would have to pry that extra 1% out of the dead co-owners hands before he would allow himself into a 49% position.

Also, most privately held companies give each share one vote. Why would they want a board involved in their business?

Maybe JoeE got screwed on the Net Management reorg and didn't maintain his 50% position in all the wheeling-dealing.....or maybe this IS just another move done for show.


Monk

Have you guys ever considered an Oprano Beer Board
so we have a place to discuss beer?
**********
We also need
An AVS board
An advanced site builders board
A pussy maintenance board
I'm sure I will think of a few more after I smoke a joint..

Cleo (to know me is to love me...)

Have you guys ever considered an Oprano Beer Board
so we have a place to discuss beer?

I'll be there ;))
Martin Stop By And Check Us Out!!

Colin,

alot of the TGP2 sites I've seen are just CJ sites. That would have to change before I look at TGP2. :) There is a few guys over at Sarcastic Bastards talking TGP2 and 3 you should stop by and rap with em one day ;))

Peace
Martin Stop By And Check Us Out!!

All I know is that in this business I go with whatever gives me the most bang for the buck.

Cleo (to know me is to love me...)

Have you guys ever considered an Oprano Beer Board
so we have a place to discuss beer?

Timon

Don't you think TGP2 conversation should be here?
*************************

Colin,
who am I to tell people what and where to talk?

I can only "suggest" what to do with "commercial speech" aka SPAM, promo, etc which is not covered by "free speech" amendments,
other than that-
everybody run their own shows...
Serge

How does one get canned from a business he owns 50%
***************************

Posession is 90% of the law....

Serge

Monk,

I think it is fairly complicated. They probably had a board that can vote on that shit, shares of the company to different people,
and the is all kinds of wacky shit in Corporate Documents.

Jesse

Monk - maybe they sold some of their stock?

Timon

Serge,

Don't you think TGP2 conversation should be here?

http://www.oprano.com/tgp2/

Let's go!
Colin Walk this way ..

ok, if you can't bring names of FREE site owners making money-
I can
**********
I wouldn't know. I just drive an old Chevy and live in an old house in old Fort Lauderdale with my old cats...

Cleo (to know me is to love me...) I'm getting ready, but the computer keeps on calling me

Serge,

Don't you think TGP2 conversation should be here?

http://www.oprano.com/tgp2/

Let's go!
Colin Walk this way ..

Serge,

I know some. I know the toys they own. They post on this board. Occasionally.

You probably know too.
Colin Walk this way ..

Most successful free site webmasters today are highly diverse. A little bit of this. A little bit of that.

Some AVS,some galleries, maybe own a TGP, a TGP2, some circle-jerk sites, some SE work. Maybe even some hubs to connect it all together.

It is what it is.

Apples to apples.
Oranges to oranges.

TGP2 stands up for the people that know how.
Colin Walk this way ..

RE: JOEE

Weren't he and JB 50-50 owners in the biz? How does one get canned from a business he owns 50% of??

Monk

One must compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.Comparing any free site model to what a company like RJB Telcom makes or even owning a moderately successful sponsor program can net is pointless.
**************************

ok, if you can't bring names of FREE site owners making money-
I can
;-))

1) Beth Mansfield - free site owner,
bought a boat 3 years ago
;-))

do you need more names?
Serge

"I'll see if Mike or Billy have any special photos"
- "I've seen 'em, Billy's supply is unlimited"
Serge

Yes, supply, supply, supply. But is there any DEMAND?!!?
:o)

Monk

Timon,
I think you are on to something!

I understand perfectly clear why sponsor would be interested in getting this traffic
(TGP2)
but for the life of me,
I don't see how webmaster benefits.

Maybe I grow brains one day and get the whole concepts, but I need to see Ferrarri driving TGP webmasters first,
my imagination is very poor, I need names
;-))

anybody wanna take bets for how long we'll have to wait 'till somebody bring those names to the board?
;-))
Serge

Serge,

As Timon is alluding to .. there aren't many free SITE owners making GREAT MONEY by the standards that you and I are aware of and have.

One must compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.Comparing any free site model to what a company like RJB Telcom makes or even owning a moderately successful sponsor program can net is pointless. Running successful free sites can

1) Provide one with a decent reasonable living.

2) Be a stepping stone to more lucrative ventures.

Yes, I think to make good money, by free site standard in TGP2, you have to own a TGP2. I said that on day one. I haven't changed my mind yet. My opinion on that has and is a matter of public record.
Colin Walk this way ..

Serge,

I wonder if the P in TGP stands for PIMP :-))

The owner get's money and the
webmaster get's fucked :-))

Timon

to work from home and make a reasonable
living...
************************

YEAP



But I don't think you'll see many TGP webmasters
driving a nice Ferrari
****************************

Timon,
I think only owners of TGP's drive 'em
;-)
They found Eldorado!

Webmasters buys content
Webmaster buys B/W
Webmaster builds gallery
Webmaster lists gallery
TGP owner sends traffic from bookmarks and cashes checks

KISS formula at it's best!
;-))




Serge

Cleo, awesome, you'll get plenty
I'm 202 right now
you ever blow a corpse?
i'm kinda turned on now
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Sykk, if you don't call me while you're here I'll be quite put out ;-)

Adding our best wishes to JoeE in whatever's next for him. He's always been good to me & mine, and we consider him a friend.
Rox Sahara's Back Door

Meni
I know what to do if you OD, Vietnamese cuisine comes to mind. Do they buy by the pound?

Colin
So I have to start my own TGP2 to make money? Thank you, but I already have a Link List that makes money and I love building AVS sites since the AVS services send a ton of high quality traffic. This week I'm going to start sending TGP traffic into my AVS sites and see how that does. It can't do worse then sending my TGP traffic to sponsors.


Cleo (to know me is to love me...)

I think TGP can be a good way for people
with a lack of talents and resources
to work from home and make a reasonable
living...

But I don't think you'll see many TGP webmasters
driving a nice Ferrari

Timon

The Hun and big TGP's are not the only source of traffic ;)
Zebra
********************

I know...that's what 1% of real money makers in TGP and TGP2 say
;-)))
Serge

I think the key to TGP2 is not the conversions (which in my experience are much better) but the % of surfers visiting the site that click on sponsor links.
Most TGP's get less than 5%. I know several top TGP2's that get 25-30% of the visitors to click on a sponsor link. That is where the "Mo' Money" factor comes in.
Even if your conversions are the same and you have 10K in traffic, if you get 25% of the surfers to click that is as many clicks as a 50K TGP is going to send.
When you figure up the reduced bandwidth the money made is even more.
True there are a limited amount of TGP2 sites doing 10k a day, but the number is increasing steadily.
The Hun and big TGP's are not the only source of traffic ;)
Zebra

if I OD you know how to revive?
Meni
*******************

sure, I've seen it in Goodfellas....
drive OD'd to the nearest Zoo and throw him in the lion's den
;-)))

works miracle in most cases...and leaves no evidence when it doesn't work
;-)))
Serge

Serge,

It's not about traffic. About $$$.

Colin
*******************

oh really?????

There is no money in TGP, there is no money in TGP2.

There is lots of work, expences, labor, all I hear:
I build galleries, I pay for B/W, I buy content, I work like a mule and I don't do shit!

80% complain and KNOW they don't make money,
19% don't know it yet,
while 1% which uses shorting corners enjoy it.

Colin,
please name me 10 webmasters who made REAL MONEY in TGP and TGP2...
names, please!
Serge

pics sure? take some, since i don't remember what I do most nights
and if I OD you know how to revive?
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

and 80% of beer drinkers complain they don't
make enough money to buy beer :-)


Timon

Timon is my style! In a way .. not THAT way .. this way ..
Colin Walk this way ..

I don't like TGP1, TGP2 or AVS, they are not
my style...

BEER is my style..

Oh and I don't like squid either


Timon

Serge you don't know what you are missing.

Meni
******************

Meni, ok, SOLD!

I'll go with you and give you the night to remember!

would you give me rights to pics too!?
;-))
Serge

80% of TGP1 webmasters complain they aren't making any money.

80% of TGP2 webmasters complain that they aren't making any money.

80% of AVS webmasters complain they aren't making any money.

80% of Circlejerk webmasters complain they aren't making any money.

This will NEVER change.

Go where your strength is. Traffic, conversions, beauty, charm, ..
Colin TGP2. Something new is COMING!

Cleo,

As you know, everyone has to find what works for them. If you don't own a TGP2 you are probably not making a living with TGP2.

I don't like AVS, for example. Some people love it. I don't see anyone worried that AVS sites don't get enough traffic. AVS is not my style though. Why worry about traffic volume with TGP2? Yes, more is better. I DO find $$ in TGP2 much easier than TGP1.

TGP2 is my style. If you can move traffic easy, it is IDEAL. A choice between TGP2 and TGP1 as a site owner is simple. 10k of TGP2 traffic is equivalent to 60k of TGP1 traffic. What is easier to achieve?

A 10k of TGP2.
B 60k of TGP1?

If A, choose TGP2. If B, choose TGP1.

I don't do the gallery thing so don't have anything to say there. I don't like making galleries.Too much work.

Serge,

It's not about traffic. About $$$.

Colin TGP2. Something new is COMING!

hmm Serge, you don't wanna piece of me when I come down?
Well the world's greatest designer wants to hit the clubs one night.
And some billing chick WANTED to hit Scarletts with me, but she won' be in town when I come down.
Serge you don't know what you are missing.

Meni (The Golden Tongue)

I like girls with accents
oz, uk, southern, woodland hills
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

you have any evidence that the large traffic centers like Hun, and other TGP will share their SUPPLY of traffic to make it worth while?
***************
I'm seeing the same crappy conversions from TGP2 as I see from TGP, just a whole lot less traffic. So if the conversions are the same and I have a lot less traffic then in the end all I've done is spent the same amount of time as if I had done a regular TGP, but I've made less money.

Now if you can get the big TGPs like The Hun to convert to TGP2 then I can see how it would be very good for the site builders, but I think you have better chance of getting Serge to stop fondling goats then to get The Hun and the rest of the big TGPs to convert.

Cleo (to know me is to love me...) OK< now I'm really going to get away from the 'puter

Dantheman,

I love JoeE like a brother, and
always want his life to be full of
success and joy, this whole thing
just strikes me odd...

I want to believe its a maneuver &
he is going to be just fine as a
consultant.....

Damn, this kinds of news is shaking
sometimes :(

Lee Noga AGE Oath AVS

LOL - I am tempted to spam just to see
it get spambotted ;-))


Timon

Ed, I'm sure they do!
;-))

I've seen 'em, Billy's supply is unlimited
;-))
Serge

Serge - I'll see if Mike or Billy have any special photos they want to use and get a new ARS Caption Contest running SOON!
Edd (Opranautical Engineer)

TGP2 is about to get a new boost with a new project involving CC Bill, Insite, Mr Cash, and SexHit (alphabetical) and a few others we are discussing it with.


Colin
**********************

Colin, everythign is nice and dandy,
except....
every economic model,
WITH NO EXCEPTIONS,
requires the balance of Supply and Demans.

You listed well the DEMAND side of it,
but where is SUPPLY comes from?

you have any evidence that the large traffic centers like Hun, and other TGP will share their SUPPLY of traffic to make it worth while?

I don't see any evidence of it so far....
Serge

TGP2 is alive and well. If you look at $ instead of hits this is all too obvious.

On average, A TGP2 makes 6x what a TGP1 makes for the same number of hits in some cases much more. The top few TGP2s are making about $10k/month. Compare this to a publicly published figure of $15k per month for call-kelly with 450k hit per day.

As with everything, the top 20% of businesses make something like 80% of the revenue (adjust for size of industry). You see the top people very happy.

TGP2 is about to get a new boost with a new project involving CC Bill, Insite, Mr Cash, and SexHit (alphabetical) and a few others we are discussing it with.


Colin TGP2. Something new is COMING!

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Edd,
when are we getting new pic for Cap Contest?
Serge

YEAH I NEED A DESIGNER, HEY DO YOU
NEED ONE TOO?


Timon

Yannick,
how much would you charge for this:
http://www.oprano.com/picture05.html
Serge

NEED A DESIGNER?
I'm not a professionel designer.. That means i cannot charge you full price on sites-banners-adds-logos-everything!

BUT!!!
I can make the same thing tha a pro can do! Let me know what your needs are and Ill show you folios, sites... I did over 15 sites. Very good pricing..

Yannick
ICQ: 6705511
email: admin@onlinedialer.com
xsun

I'm not sure what cock tastes like, but I do now they have a soup variant now ;)))
http://www.jamaicaplace.com/item_JP-00546-g.htm

btw, I'll be in LA for a few days, so may be looking to find trouble for anyone local ;))
SykkBoy

No croc, but I'll state from experience that Alligator is yummy stuff! no, its not anything like chicken!

CJ - never ate roo, but I have eaten Lion! And Lion is GOOD eating!

Serge is right - squid done right is delish - one of the best things on the menu when I went to Greece!

Now I'm hungry....
Edd (Opranautical Engineer)

men's intelligence is highly over rated!
****************

THANK THE LORD FOR THAT!! :-)))

Timon