Nick,

Would you be so kind as to explain Anthony's explanation of what exactly "cross-billing" is?

And then perhaps compare/contrast to "cross marketing"?

Thanks!
homegrownmof #1 $$ per click in thestatistician.com

pass the egg nog plz....

OldFold $250 for This Weeks Sportsphool

"""as radio and television has. I seem to remember lots of scandal in the early days of both."""

Anyone seen my bottle?

;))
Fatty Arbukle

So my family got the best gift this Christmas a mom with no voice.

They are cheering that they can't hear me stress over the outlaws coming for dinner.

You do all know the difference between an inlaw and an outlaw??



Blondy Enter to Win another X-BOX !!!
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:53:27 - IP: 24.64.223.205 - Post # 42583
-------------------

So that nice mechanic was wrong about head working then eh??

:>))


TheEnforcer Want a $1000 bonus? Sign up for Making Bank and then e-mail me and ask how to get it!

hee hee
Serge
easy their Chief
don't hurt yourself
Meni (The Golden Tongue) Serge Likes Peanut Butter On His...

I have never seen an industry that shits and pisses in its own drinking water like this "Industry".
****************

The internet is maturing as a media just as radio and television has. I seem to remember lots of scandal in the early days of both. It is ironic that the adult business is regulating the use of consoles and deceptive sites as the mainstream sites are now just starting to use them.

----------------

Brad, surfers don't read Oprano, GUARANTEED,
*******************

Surfers go poking around and click on everything. They go to webmaster pages like this one,
http://www.cleos-porn-links.com/adult-links/submit.shtml
looking to learn more about the going-ons of porn. They are fascinated with the people who do this for a living, both the pornstars and the pornlords.


Cleo (Chi cazzo se ne frega?)

Mike AI

I have read the articles and I am not sure who is Worse The Duane Asshole from Complete Web (obviously trying to make a name for himself) or you having to post shit from other message boards just to get more page views. What an Asshole. Remember it is the Adult Webmasters against the Surfers. If Duane Had called CCbill and not be ran off to Security Forums then the Sufers would not be scared. Webfather you are correct. This is the only industry with such little children that are so short sited. Hell their are only 3 processor of all the adult stuff anyways so who are we really hurting most. OURSELVES. My opinion is we kill this tread and not give the Mainstream any more info to hurt ourselves. I personally am will continue to use CCbill. Hell Ibills servers are always down, and Epoch never sends checks.

Mike AI and Duane the real asshole
holes of the year in this industry

John


John MIKE AI and DUANE (complete web ) ASSHOLES OF THE YEAR

Meni,
how dare you?????

why did you ask Stan?

He promissed NOTHING, I did!

and I personally guarantee that everybody who clicked on this link will get free drink in Vegas.

I expect apology from you and all Jenna's staff.

NOBODY calls me "fucking moron" and gets away with it without free drink....of Pellegrino, straight out of my ASS!

see you, fuckin' carnutto!
Serge (Click here and get FREE drinks in Vegas!)

Mike,
Thks for the explaination.WF's post went over my head.Apols to you both and the board.

I agree 100% in that light.

Shit EVEN I don't cross bill.

I just had Anthony explain to me exactly what cross biling is.I know this sounds out of character ,but that is flat out crooked.
Nick

Nick you are looking to the wrong place for correlation. It is not the connection between "squabling" and less money. It is the connection between "unethical business practices" and less money.

Everytime a consumer is fucked on his Credit Card. By being charged for multible sites, or never being able to cancel, or whatever the latest scam is. This customer will probably never use his credit card for online porn ( if he every uses his CC online again period). He will also convey the trickery to his friends.

In a vacume this is no big deal, a few dozen people like this is nothing. But if you look at the sheer numbers of people getting fucked over, being duped, being misled with issues dealing with billing it is bound to effect out entire bottom line.

By the time these people are crossbilled by the likes of CE and silvercash - is he really going to join one of the "honest" sites out there??

This is only one example. There are so many things that go on that create animosity between then consumer/customer and most companies in this industry.


Mike AI

TGP2 going strong ...

TGP2 Update
http://www.maxcashlive.com/news/articles/tgp2_update.html

Will be in Ohio for a few days. I'll have the laptop and will stop in and say hi. Anyway .. everyone have a great XMAS!


Colin TGP2 Bucks

Hey Meni,

Aren't there 3 "a"s in Schaap?

homegrownmof #1 $$ per click in thestatistician.com

Webfather,

well said!!!

Btw,

happy holidays to all from us to you!!

thanks everyone for a great year!!!
sextoyking Dildos everywhere here!!

Webfather - .....we will all make less $$$ than we should.

I agree about the squabbling but disagree with this part.

I see no correlation
Nick

Just one thing I can say.....

I have never seen an industry that shits and pisses in its own drinking water like this "Industry".

This is a general statement and not aimed at anyone or any company in particular. Just an overall observation given what I have seen over the years.

And for that.....we will all make less $$$ than we should.


Webfather

Serge (Click here and get FREE drinks in Vegas!)

False, LIE
i asked Stan
and he laughed at me
no one laughs at me
wait
everyone does
ok forget
and Serge
free drinks in vegas?
yeah stand at a table you fucking moron
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

NEW YORK (AP) - Longtime broadcaster and author Dick Schaap died Friday from postoperative complications following hip replacement surgery. He was 67
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

So my family got the best gift this Christmas a mom with no voice.

They are cheering that they can't hear me stress over the outlaws coming for dinner.

You do all know the difference between an inlaw and an outlaw??



Blondy Enter to Win another X-BOX !!!

Great minds...
Mike AI

No they will just think that the both of you are really just one person.


Cleo (Chi cazzo se ne frega?)

Fuck you, AI, people will start talk that we live together!
;-)))
Serge

I think that there is some crossover. I know that some surfers read the webmaster boards. I've gotten hate mail from surfers when I was helping someone learn how to do consoles on the old netpond nebie board.

Bad news travels fast
Cleo (Chi cazzo se ne frega?)

Cleo, you think surfers read webmaster chat boards?
Brad Shaw S.I.C. Cash V.4, 50 sites, $40 per join, Paying WEEKLY
_______________


Where do you think Ynot and Netpond get theri traffic? ;-) haha Seriously though... it is not just HERE on the boards where the issues are being discussed.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23493.html
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100990,00.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23482.html

Plus a few other news articles...

Customers and Clients of CCBill are getting more information from reporters and newsreports then from the Owners and Managers of CCBill.

What ashame...
Mike AI

Cleo, you think surfers read webmaster chat boards?
*****************************

Brad, surfers don't read Oprano, GUARANTEED,
but they do read:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23493.html
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100990,00.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23482.html
Serge (Click here and get FREE drinks in Vegas!)

Vick,

Got another Music Trivia for you at TGP2 site - I am listening to it right now...

Jesse

holy shit!
what the fuck with this board today????

where all ANONs come from and WHY today???

anyway,
I officially declare the ANON/SPAM nite, I am out of here,
happy holidays to all,
ciao, rogazzi!




Serge (Click here and get FREE drinks in Vegas!)

Cleo, you think surfers read webmaster chat boards?
Brad Shaw S.I.C. Cash V.4, 50 sites, $40 per join, Paying WEEKLY

12 clicks don't hurt me please, I'll be good, you give me wood.
12 snitch

I just wonder what all this shit with CCBill is going to do to conversions. Surfers are already nervous about giving out their info.


Cleo (Chi cazzo se ne frega?)

~~~~thinks~~~~

Somewhere along the line,betcha I get the blame for all this.....
Nickatilynx (The Internet's No1 Crook (Alledgedly))

hahaha, considering I only have 1 of those, I think your information is wrong. Why dont you shut up.


ref:
stallion go check all your non disclosures and shut up.
Cord.SEX
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:20:23 - IP: 168.143.112.8 - Post # 42566
Stallion

Wow all the anons are out tonight!! must be a full moon!


I have heard a terrible story on how Gord has been holding someones domain names hostage because this person band mouthed one of Gord's employees. Seems very unprofessional...

I have the e-mail, I will have to see if the guy will let me post it.

Very scary stuff...
Mike AI

Listening to a thief squeal always gives me a warm feeling.

see you in court thief. :-)
12clicks

Mike CCBill is the BEST company out there & all your bullshit is just a proof of that.
KKBill

stallion go check all your non disclosures and shut up.
Cord.SEX

Hmmm where is your name Mr Anon?


Ref: "Folks,

Once again, let me add my name to those folks who have gotten screwed by AllClicks.com and their associated companies. Like the other victims - they do not close your account - they continue to steal your traffic - and then manufacture a false excuse why they will not pay. Since they are here in the state of NJ where I live, I am filing suit against them, and advise others to do the same. "
Stallion

From another board:



wow, I think we all knew that CCBill security was pretty flacky, but now its all over the news!

And check out the first link, They knew since March that they there security had been compromised... Great way to fuck over all of your client! Yeah CCBill!



http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23493.html
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100990,00.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23482.html

Oh, and for those of you who were defending CCBill in the past few days, well, that was nice of you... but for once, it wasnt "anon bullshit" or something like that. This is cold hard fact...
DrGuile, free live content for your site
Mike AI

Folks,

Once again, let me add my name to those folks who have gotten screwed by AllClicks.com and their associated companies. Like the other victims - they do not close your account - they continue to steal your traffic - and then manufacture a false excuse why they will not pay. Since they are here in the state of NJ where I live, I am filing suit against them, and advise others to do the same.

If you have any programs with them, I suggest you close them, or your name will be associated in the public record with these Nazis of the internet. There is no reason these flagrant criminals should be allowed to remain in business to continually cheat those who attempt to make an honest profit.

Boycott the Affiliate Nazis !!!
12 snitch

Don't want this to get buried. IT is too important:

A friend of my scanned the Newgroups, and IRC - this is an example of what is going on:

"my proposal is
100 normal cc's with full info,(virgins) for 10 cvv2's
10 virgin cc's verfied for a min of 5k on my merhcant for 5 cc's with
should have a min of 1k, plus must be virgin.
or i can trade my custom ccbill expliots, that still seem to work.
i also will trade my merchnant for 10 cvv2's with a min of 1k on each."


Gee wonder what CCBill is going to do about this?? Seems like there is much more damage and a much bigger cluster fuck then CCBill is letting on. Not only is evidence showing up, but the fact that CCbill is try to keep everything do hush hush. There is nothing close to full disclosure, I smell major major issues they are attempting to hide.



Mike AI Can you smell what ccbill is cooking??? it stinks !
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:03:57 - IP: 63.100.104.31 - Post # 42518


Mutt I agree with you about CCbill, I would be happy to cooperate with FBI and I encourage CCBill to do the same. It is very scary, I do not think CCBill even knows the full extent of damage that has been done.


As far as dinner, KK is one of my good friends. While I may go head to head with her on business issues, she is one of the best people I have met in this industry. I feel sorry for her posistion of always having to defend the poor decisions of her bosses. I hope they pay her enough to have to deal with all she has to deal with.


Mike AI Can you smell what ccbill is cooking??? it stinks !
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:31:11 - IP: 63.100.104.31 - Post # 42538
Mike AI

Horny, Religious, Genitals,
can you cum back after 6?

I hate talking dogs before the market closes
;-(((
Serge

Cum on gang lets get going because I'm very...


Horny

Dog is ok if you do a BBQ, but it does not boil very well


genitails

Serge is this the kind of people you bring to dinner?
******************************

I bring NOBODY to dinner,
I am TOO CHEAP!
Serge this board brings pervs from every corner of the net! ;-)))

Did someone say dinner, I love fresh dog


religious

Serge is this the kind of people you bring to dinner?


Jersey_Termit

No problem Mike....Enjoy and have a Great Holiday!
Ken CashQuest2

No I'm not I'm just religious


religious

good head?

the best!
but you gotta feed him first!
;-))
Serge this board brings pervs from every corner of the net! ;-)))

religious you are one sick puppy


Horny

I'm into dogs, I'll take him, does he give good head?


religious

You all can have Serge and the rest I just want the Zhora


Horny
*******************8

Horny,
you can't be THAT horny????

http://cotac.com/~knight/ZZZ/Zhora1.jpg
Serge this board brings pervs from every corner of the net! ;-)))

More info found here:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html

AGAIN - THIS IS A HOAX - THIS IS NOT A REAL VIRUS... And now back to our regularly scheduled programme....
Edd (Opranautical Engineer)

sulfnbk.exe is on my PeeCee's drive here


religious

I deleted my post because it seems like 99.99% bullshit, even though I don't have it on my HD
Serge

Yep Edd,

one of the system / command files.


sextoyking Dildos everywhere here!!

Serge,

I have the file on my XP box too, shows a date of 1998, last modified??


sextoyking Dildos everywhere here!!

SERGE!!!!

DO NOT DO THAT!!!!

THE "VIRUS" IS A HOAX!!!

THE FILE IT TELLS YOU TO DELETE IS ACTUALLY A SYSTEM FILE!!! DO NOT DELETE IT!!!


Edd (Opranautical Engineer)

whoops!

Mike AI(15:38 PM) :
whats up with the sulfnbk.exe thing?? I have it on my compuer, but has been there since 1999..... I think deleting it might be a major problem
RusskySerge(15:38 PM) :
hmmm...
than it's a hoax, I didn't have it on my NT2000
Serge

CCBill security has been shit for years, I would be surprised if anyone got card details from them though


spanno

You all can have Serge and the rest I just want the Zhora


Horny

Ken glad to see you out here... I got a fantastic gift from WebQuest. I will have having a huge post New Year BBQ at my house!!

Thanks Ken!


Mike AI

Mutt I agree with you about CCbill, I would be happy to cooperate with FBI and I encourage CCBill to do the same. It is very scary, I do not think CCBill even knows the full extent of damage that has been done.


As far as dinner, KK is one of my good friends. While I may go head to head with her on business issues, she is one of the best people I have met in this industry. I feel sorry for her posistion of always having to defend the poor decisions of her bosses. I hope they pay her enough to have to deal with all she has to deal with.


Mike AI Can you smell what ccbill is cooking??? it stinks !

No lube for me I'm religious


religious

Brad,

I beleive that was us. No card?

Someone is getting fired for Christmas :)


-----------------------------------
Someone sent me a nice bottle of wine today, from Westlake Village, CA. There was no card enclosed, would like to know who it was from so I can thank them.


Brad Shaw S.I.C. Cash V.4, 50 sites, $40 per join, Paying WEEKLY
Ken CashQuest

I'll bring the Corncobs, who will bring the lube?


the_bitch

A friend of my scanned the Newgroups, and IRC - this is an example of what is going on:

"my proposal is
100 normal cc's with full info,(virgins) for 10 cvv2's
10 virgin cc's verfied for a min of 5k on my merhcant for 5 cc's with
should have a min of 1k, plus must be virgin.
or i can trade my custom ccbill expliots, that still seem to work.
i also will trade my merchnant for 10 cvv2's with a min of 1k on each."


Gee wonder what CCBill is going to do about this?? Seems like there is much more damage and a much bigger cluster fuck then CCBill is letting on. Not only is evidence showing up, but the fact that CCbill is try to keep everything do hush hush. There is nothing close to full disclosure, I smell major major issues they are attempting to hide.



Mike AI Can you smell what ccbill is cooking??? it stinks !
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:03:57 - IP: 63.100.104.31 - Post # 42518
************************************

Mike,
I don't think CCBill is fully aware of the extent of the breach of security....or somebody trades what they don't have.

Either or.
Serge you can even DEBIT Zhora!

genitals, Zhora is a very tasty treat, it's eadible and no batteries required!


Serge you can even DEBIT Zhora!

Can I join in too? And what is a Zhora, do I need to bring batteries?


genitails

religious,
you don't have to use your ass,
just run your mouth
;-)))
Serge

This all sounds much too kinky for my religious ass


religious

maybe bring Billy or Edd to taste Mike's food first.
***********************

Mutt, why do you think me to dinner?????

"tasting" part is covered already
;-)))
Serge

oh boy, now we are talking 5-some
here!

Termit, Horny, will you sign model releases?

Zhora is gonna make you famous!
Serge

If you are going to bring a Zhora then I want to be part of it too!


Jersey_Termit

just tell Mike to wear a steel athletic cup to the dinner Serge and maybe bring Billy or Edd to taste Mike's food first.
mutt

Horny, I can even bring Zhora!

when it comes to RAW,
I stop at NOTHING!
;-))


Serge (Click here and get FREE drinks in Vegas!)

This is what I don't understand about the CCBill situation. I feel for them in that this has the makings of becoming one of the worst black marks on e-commerce in history and could potentially destroy their business.

Now why would CCBill take the position that the FBI isn't wanted to help? First I don't think they have any choice in the matter and second of all, it's gotta make you wonder when someone is that paranoid when the mention of the FBI gets your dander up.

Doesn't make sense to me.
mutt

Can you bring your friend too for a threesome?
http://208.61.44.30/shit/pages/DSCN4444.htm


horny?

Horny,
your place or mine?
;-)
Serge (Click here and get FREE drinks in Vegas!)

mutt,
I think you can start SELLING side seats tickets to that Pick 'Em dinner right about...NOW!
;-)))

(if KK wins ;-)
Serge

How raw is raw?


horny?

Horny,
yes we did,
we like it RAW!

RAW IS WAR!
;-))

Serge

A friend of my scanned the Newgroups, and IRC - this is an example of what is going on:

"my proposal is
100 normal cc's with full info,(virgins) for 10 cvv2's
10 virgin cc's verfied for a min of 5k on my merhcant for 5 cc's with
should have a min of 1k, plus must be virgin.
or i can trade my custom ccbill expliots, that still seem to work.
i also will trade my merchnant for 10 cvv2's with a min of 1k on each."


Gee wonder what CCBill is going to do about this?? Seems like there is much more damage and a much bigger cluster fuck then CCBill is letting on. Not only is evidence showing up, but the fact that CCbill is try to keep everything do hush hush. There is nothing close to full disclosure, I smell major major issues they are attempting to hide.



Mike AI Can you smell what ccbill is cooking??? it stinks !

http://208.61.44.30/shit/images/DSCN4436.jpg
******************

Nice pic, have you and the bitch in the pic thought of going into wrestling?


horny

Serge,
My wife loves this shit:

http://www.berylcook.com/


Nick

I keep forgeting you know me well :)

Nick
****************

ha!!!!!

do you see me thanking you for Dali????
Serge

I need a fund,I guess :)

I keep forgeting you know me well :)

Nick

Serge,
100% of the proceeds will go to you.*

***********************

Nick,
it might sound stupid to some, but I'd rather take a partnership position!
;-)))

Serge

Serge,
100% of the proceeds will go to you.*

Perhaps we could do an auction?



*less admin,management,secretarial and all other costs,of course
Nick

Nick,
you fuck!

need a partner?
;-)))

Moose, Spanno, Dravyk,
show the way and contribute first!

did anybody seen Dravyk anywhere today?
Serge

ANNOUNCEMENT:
I am starting a fund for Serge to assist with his various maladies please send checks to :

Coalition of Adultwebmasters for Serge's Health,

or "C.A.S.H".

We can make a difference

send your cheques to:
Nickatilynx's CASH Fund
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Nick

Moose, what are you reffering to?
Serge

hahaha
It DID affect your memory!

;-)
Moose

Spanno,
who said I was?

but I bet my hellium inflatible one nutted penis still has more magnetism
http://208.61.44.30/shit/images/DSCN4436.jpg
than your appeals to Nick
;-)))
Serge

I dunno one nut, prostetic helium powerred penis and vitamin E dependant memory you are not in good shape serge! :o)


spanno

Moose, how did you find out?

it wasn't public information....
Serge

Serge you lost a left nut?
Moose

Ok,spanno.Thks for clarifying :)
Nick

You taking the piss Spanno?


Tony

Nick,
and I'm sure EVERY intelligent person here agrees with me:
you be better off investing in Dali and me
(I'll let you keep the title to art after my death)
than in plastics and metal trinkets!

tell me that I'm wrong and I'll do spanno in the bath tub!
;-)))
Serge

I don't know any joffa=pikie=showman

so I dunno if I like them or not
spanno