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I hope I'll be excused for nott aking part in today's dicussion about "fairness" and "socialism"

I lived in both systems,
I've been on both sides of the fence
(and yes, you had a very good chance have your head cracked by 15 years old serge in the middle of the night in Vitebsk, and it had NOTHING to do with being poor...)

Alex,
if you truelly believe in what you post-
I think life failed you somewhere....
Serge

Interesting stuff here today!!

DJ...I’ve found that if you aim a little to the left of the squirting flower your guaranteed a one putt.;)

I wont do the politics thing its to nice a day here;))

What I really wanted to say is that... 5 years ago today...I received my first Credit Card Check for a weeks worth of sales at Inpraise for $942 ...Dec 1 1996.Today Insite does considerably more then that;)))...Just think its important from time to time to reflect on how far we all have come in this biz.

JohnIP Growth and Longevity!!

"Why not make the illiterate person a politician, or "upper management"? "

"Less productive than most municipal employees, even! " - that's funny

not saying displace already gainfully employed

Create more jobs
Who sifts though tons of refuse now to seperate recyclable?
There are many other opportunties

Would hope the human spirit feels better making a contribution. whatever it may be

"The chronically unemployed are on welfare because they choose the path of least resistance"
Why should I support them ...
So I don't get robbed???!!!!
No, I can't accept that

Vick It's only money -

Mike, political discussions that involve "party politics" is a losing battle: Both parties stand for whatever will get them elected. Boring... can't tell them apart most of the time as they climb all over eachother to get to the center.

Vick, if you put your illiterate person to work picking up garbage, what do you do with the unionize sanitation worker (garbage collector) that was making 22$ an hour, that is suddenly unemployed? Forced employment is a very communistic idea, and one that leads to poor productivity (becuase people usually end up in jobs they are no good at). Why not make the illiterate person a politician, or "upper management"?

Problem is, you cannot fix a system by pushing people up the hill to employment, because you keep pushing people off of the other side. You take work away from gainfully employed people and give it to welfare people, you get a half ass job, and the same level of unemployment.

People forced to work are VERY unproductive. Less productive than most municipal employees, even! You need to find ways to convince them that they should work, not ways that force them to make sudden (and often poor) choices of lifestyle. Trust me, most welfare people, without a regular check, will be holding you up on the street within a week. Sorry, that is just how things work. The chronically unemployed are on welfare because they choose the path of least resistance. Not working is less strenuous than working. Holding someone up once a week to get enough money to live is easier than working 40 hours.

Accept the fact that, no matter the system, some people won't work. Figure that they still can vote, and they are big enough numbers to shift an election (see party politics, above). Now who do you think is going to cut them off?

Nobody.

Alex
RawAlex FPAL

Alex,
"are you going to climb over the bodies of the homeless, the sick, and the handicapped to get to your upscale home?"

I guess you missed it. I AM one of the sick. Still, I work for a living; and I don't mean I fly a desk. I drive 'hotshot' for a Houston trucking company; and that is a very dangerous as well as demanding job. Driving around this place in a hurry is like playing Russian Roulette. Why should my money be taken to support someone who is not only capable of working, but will be around long after I am gone?

As for the others, like I said, the charities and churches enjoy tax-exempt status...let them do what they claim to be there to do. Stop sending people like the two Waco girls into places like Afghanistan (where all they do is cause problems) and 'minister' to the people in THIS society who need help. Let them stop backing political candidates from the pulpit and building huge, ornate churches and help the poor.

BTW, you think you know who the richest non-government entity in the world is? Well, guess again! It is the Vatican! Their taxes? Zip, zero, nada, zilch!

You could talk (or post) from now on, and you couldn't convince me that Socialism makes sense for the simple reason that Liberals (Socialists) believe that they have a right to reach into my pocket and take my money by force (plain old robbery) because they 'feel' for this or that person or cause. If a man on the street robs me, that is illegal. Why is it any less so for a bunch of them calling themselves various political terms to basically do the same thing? Please notice that they always make sure that THEY have plenty. They never give until it hurts THEM! Bingo! You have the same system that exists in any Communist country!
Torone

Hi Ulfie,

just got online. Loaded up the brower and the only thing that came up with help instructions to change settings for the new att network. changed those on the linksys router, and all is fine now. but now they have capped downloads at 1.5 megs, but still pretty fast I guess.
sextoyking

Number #19 is good! I am a middle of the pack asshole. I don't aspire for
greatness, i have a fear of success.

So when does the voting begin Billy?

mutt Crunch Time! Get This Week's NFL Pickem Picks In! Next week BIG SLOPPY ASS BONUS $$$ PRIZE!!! WAKE THE KIDS PHONE THE NEIGHBORS DAVID LETTERMAN'S TOUPEE IS ON FIRE!!!

oh gee what a surprise Mike won December Asshole of the Month. Shouldn't there be a nude pictorial with Mike lying nekkid by a Christams tree and fireplace?
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Mutt you are scaring the good people of Oprano.
Mike AI

Republican and Democrat doesn't mean shit. They both want the exact same things...power over YOU. Republicans want your mind and body and Democrats want your money and obedience. The end result is the same...YOU are not capable of deciding for yourself, so someone else has to. Political parties suck... :P~

Off to enjoy a beautiful day!

Diamond Jim

Rugged individualism works best under different conditions, sparse population. The clumping together of mass amounts of people creates lots of problems.
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Mutt..
Hummm #19 = Mutt

I did not know you were in with the Eastern syndicate ? ?

Billy (Oprano Sergeant at Arms) What did Mutt do to move up to 19 ?

i don't read books. Magazines suit my short attention span much better.
I spend easily 200 bucks a month on magazines. None really porn. Playboy and Penthouse occassionally.

Oplus News Update
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Excite Creditors Put the Squeeze on AT&T

Scientists Study Women's Arousal To Porn Flicks

etc

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muttAToprano.com

oh gee what a surprise Mike won December Asshole of the Month. Shouldn't there be a nude pictorial with Mike lying nekkid by a Christams tree and fireplace?

it's all fixed ya know. run by a big Eastern syndicate blah blah blah.......

Torone,

Sorry about you having the Big C. Hope you can get the best treatment available.
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Man I must still be hung over, my typos were worse then normal!
Mike AI

I have to say that this political discusion has been the most sophisticated I have ever read on a porn board. Much better then the issues of Republvian vs. Democrate. In many ways the parties are too similiar to make real differences.

I think this country was much more self efficent and had true capitalism before the great depression. Since then the gov't has continued creeping in and take more power from states and individuals.

What built this country is rugged individualism - unfettered by gov't to allow people to be the best they can be. We will never see that again...

Mike AI

Call me crazy but ......
unemployable people????
Example - An illerate person
Refuse that needs to be picked up, streets that need to be swept... whatever
There is a match
If that doesn't suit, it is the start to work up
If they don't want to do it - let them waste

I have a huge problem with social safety nets
I would end welfare yesterday
Let the looting begin
It will only last a short time
and .....
Where will it happen?
Where those who refuse to work are
Where those who will not contribute are

Really consider what if all the producers went on strike
What if we stopped producing and giving in to the looters?
And left ......
and left everything to the looters, those who will not be productive

Vick It's only money -

Vick, I agree: One of the best things that has happened in the last 10-15 years have been the "workfare" programs, that attempt to break the cycle of poverty, unemployment, and welfare life that many families have had for generations and generations.

Uneducated, otherwise unemployable people will resort to crime to survive. Brazil is the best example, Rio is one of the most dangerous places to be in the world.

DJ: One of the most important things to learn is that NO system exists in a vacuum, and no system runs in a perfect world. I tend to be an all or nothing person, and I can even understand that! Realitic Objectivism... maybe that should be Realitic living? :-)

Alex
RawAlex FPAL

Alex - "and no other way except theft to obtain it."
What ever happened to working for it, earning it, achieving it?

"are you going to climb over the bodies of the homeless, the sick, and the handicapped to get to your upscale home? "
If need be - yes
Maybe a better solution is a hand up, not a hand out

What if all the producers went on strike
What if we stopped producing and giving in to the looters?

DJ- You knew that line was coming ;-)
Actually haven't finished the book yet, through the first 700 pages or so, I have studied the work, rereading many passages and book marking pages for later reference

Vick It's only money -

I knew you were gonna love that book, Vick. It's the culmination of her work and philosophy, the basic tenets of which I've never seen refuted logically. Unfortunately, it preaches a philosophical ideal which we'll never see. Over the years and the 30+ times I've read the book, I've learned to adapt to what I call Realistic Objectivism. Taking the philosophy as far as possible while realizing the world as it exists is a reality you still have to deal with.

Diamond Jim Deal with this!

Torone, Socialism is voluntary in that it is a variable political system, unlike communism.

There is not a single capitalist state in the world that doesn't have some level of socialism built into it - the system needs it as the lubrication that makes the wheels go around.

As for churches, charities, and such... I don't know about you, but I am tired of the overwhelming number of charities and funds and such that exist. 9-11 just added thousands more to that list. They are mostly valid, but there are too many. If I gave each one $1 a year, I would be broke (and so would everyone else here, there are literally tens of millions of registered charities in the world).

Social welfare, the redistribution of funds from the rich to the poor, exists because for everyone kind hearted person who gives money, there is someone saying "it's my money, you can't have it". The ongoing lack of compassion for those MUCH worse off means that the state must take steps to secure the funds to avoid the lawlessness and suffering that comes from millions of people with no food, no shelter, and no other way except theft to obtain it. Basically, the money spent out in social payments is often a subtle form of crime prevention. (Don't think so? Look at Brazil - crime levels are very high, because their social safety net does not work... street people end up killing and being killed on a daily basis, just to survive).

Torone, Socialism as a total system is effectively unworkable (see Sweden). However, total capitalism is a non starter as well - are you going to climb over the bodies of the homeless, the sick, and the handicapped to get to your upscale home?

It rubs both ways.

Alex
RawAlex FPAL

You know I am going to have to start spending time on the golf course.

DJ I have a feeling even in your worst days you are better then I am...

Mike AI

I have mastered the windmill DJ
((o;

"His Razorness"?
LOL

Morning Asshole....
hahaha
OldFold Feeling Good Billy Ray

I stumble out of bed, and find out that I am lucky enough to have been names Asshole of the Month!! ( I think it has something to do with coming in Billys mouth last night, I really am sorry Billy!!)

Anyway, now I am Ahole of the month, I am in the running for Asshole of the Year!!

I am sure I can count on Mike Price's support in my campaign!

Mike AI

MikeAI - Congratulations on being Asshole of the month for December!!!

Diamond Jim - you were 100% correct, thank you very much for turing me onto Atlas Shrugged!

Vick It's only money -

LOL... not hardly, Mikey. BUT, after His Razorness corrected one hell of an ugly backswing, all of a sudden I'm in the game...

Now if only I can stop two-putting through the clown's nose....

Diamond Jim Golf = Masochistic Tendencies

Meni,

I played it last night
and I have to agree
with you, it made me
sea sick. Luckily
I am smart enough to
rent a game and try it
to see if I like it before
buying them. :-))
voodooman Zmaster

Congrats MikeAI....
great choice

DJ..I hear you're ready to take on RB & I on the course
((o;

OldFold Looking Good Louis

How stupid am I?
I get my xbox
buy Halo
the first person shooter
play 25 min
get so dizzy
i sell it on half.com
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Congrats to MikeAI! If he doesn't deserve to be the biggest asshole for December I don't know who does...and I'm sure plenty of people agree...HAHAHAHA!

Shok, you pansy boy! I'm still above you....prepare for bukkake, son!

Diamond Jim The Porn Unification Plan coming soon...

damn Billy, from #5 to #2??

what an honor
((o;

OldFold Looking Good Louis

Wow what a year it has been and with Mike making a run for asshole of the month of December it will make the asshole of the year award someting to be proud of now !

Hope to have the voting open soon so make sure you check back and I will tell you when the polls are open !

Remember to keep an eye on these assholes this month so you can vote fare : )

Congrats Mike you big asshole !!

Billy (Oprano Sergeant at Arms) Mike AI asshole of the month for December !!

Edd, I'd love to get some pics of you in that eyeliner!

Just a quick message not meaning to sound spammy - I have a really great mate whose wife just lost her job and they have a 6 year old son.
he is in need of some extra work to make up for it now - he does THE most awesome graphix.
If anyone could pleez help out email or icq me #123958265

The holidays are coming ..pleez show some of that spirit now!
Thanks guys
Kitty the BIGGEST content GIVEAWAY EVER!!!! post HERE

But you're right on the concept. Get the surfer into our system. Let them surf 'our' sites when looking for porn. Eventually they will buy access to a premium site.

Plus we pay you for all the free signups as well plus you get traffic. You don't get traffic back from 4free paysites ;)
Troels Want to try something new???

That remark was made in context to conversion ratios. To the surfer we offer more. They see it as an AVS - just free.

The conversion ratios are like 4free sites, but better. ;)
Troels Want to try something new???

Troels - thanks for the reply
Let me make sure I have the concept
Could get into your program with free feeder sites - sites that have say 10 - 15 free poor quality images on them
and them link to the upsell PPV content
What is throwing me off is the
"Unlike 4free type paysites we have much more to offer " statement

Vick It's only money -

Alex,
I fail to see any real difference. Socialism is also involuntary. It can not work for very long. eventually, it creates enough 'bottom feeders' that the system cannot sustain them. As the process continues, the system is faced with two alternatives: Either print money which has no backing (and therefore no value) or resort to involuntary servitude (slavery).

As for the genuinely needy, what is wrong with the various charities and churches doing what they are supposed to do instead of using our donated money to become involved in politics? I see these bigshots like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the Pope, etc. making their political statements every day; but when a disaster happens, or my neighbor is ill, they can only offer prayers while THEY sit back and live the life of luxury. In a Capitalist society, the poor need not be addressed for the simple reason that they CHOOSE to be poor (much like the 'homeless", who choose to stand on a street corner and collect donations which they then turn to their organisations at the end of the day).

It's MY money! I earned it! What right does ANYONE have to come to me and take it AT GUNPOINT?

I'm gonna tell you something: I have 'the big C', but The fucking liberals are too busy making political points to help me out. Their attitude is: You had a problem 10 years ago with taxes; so you go ahead and die.

No, Socialism is NOT voluntary! Anyone who believes that it is, is already brainwashed.
Torone

And unlike AVS's WE market YOUR premium sites (PPV) to the surfers YOU refer!
Troels Want to try something new???

Hehe Vick

They can access PPV sites with a dialer :). It says 'without a credit card'.

Standard sites are free. PPV's are not. They have unlimited access to PPV sites as long as they are connected on the dialer. Or if they buy credits through their credit card.
Troels Want to try something new???

It's a quarter to 11 in the morning here in the Crescent City and I still have cable modem service! Sorry you're down Ulfie - guess your provider couldn't work out a deal...

Kitty - that goth list was pretty funny! I'm an eldergoth myself (Sisters of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, et al) - and I don't wear eyeliner... unless she asks me real nice... ;)

Edd (Opranautical Engineer)

"YES! post more Dick pics!!!"
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I would but I dont want
to embarrass anyone,
especially me. :-))
voodooman Zmaster

Troels - On the surface it is a terrible idea!
"2001-11-22:
NEW: access PPV premium areas without a credit card!"
Just what we need - more free premium porn

Maybe you can explain more about the program and why this is not a very bad idea

http://www.howstuffworks.com/ginger.htm
looks very Interesting
Maybe a personal transportation device propelled/supported by the Stirling engine

Vick We earn $ here

I was hoping for some input on http://www.keyshield.com/

As far as I know it's the only AVS like system that use pay per view.

It's also the only system to award productive webmasters - the more signups your site sends the higher your site will be placed on the linklists. Plus your 'premium' sites will be advertised in a top frame for all surfers you refer.

We are beta testing a $0.5 per free signup payout right now. Unlike 4free type paysites we have much more to offer so the signup ratio has been incredible! It REALLY is totally free for surfers to sign up :)

I would appreciate some input. What should we change/add for you to sign up as a webmaster?

My icq # is 44957551

Thank you!
Troels Want to try something new???

Mutt,
Yeah, my $200 cable modem is now only useful as a doorstop at this point. @home seems to be working in some places and dead in others. I seem to be one of the unlucky ones. ;((

Ulfie

"What is IT?
http://www.howstuffworks.com/ginger.htm"

Anybody see the South Park episode the other night???

South Park's "IT" was a personal flying machine that would shove one dildo-shaped object in your mouth and another one in your ass while you are operating it.

another South Park classic!!

Monk

What's your favorite Beatles song?

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the one that makes me cry as soon as I hear it , everytime is :
In My Lfe
Because it really does sum up my life.

But My favourite (i'm sure it was by the Beatles, not just Geroge Harrison)is:

The Inner Light

WIthout moving out of your room
You can know all things on earth
Without looking out of youw window
You can know the ways of heaven
The farther one travels
The less one knows
The less one really knows

See all without seeing
Do all without doing
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Just checking to see if I made any Hooper posts last night. Got toooo much to drink :)
Troels

mutt,

Contact Colin about a programmer. He knows a REAL gem. Been using him for years.

Jesse

colin,

you haven't mowed a lawn in 10 years... but funny

Jesse

for all of you suffering snow & cold weather, I wanted to mention that its 28 degrees celcius here right now at 1am. (28C = about 86-90 degrees)

welcome to the first weekend of summer aussies!!!

cj (vaginator) Plug our ezines into your pay or AVS site!!

Colin
You could always do what someone in Florida did a few years ago. They set off so many bug bombs in their house that they blew up their house, not sure if they got rid of the bugs or not.

Cleo Fuck Everyone

arghhhhhhhhh....... the programmer who has been driving me nuts for 3 weeks finally confided to me that he has had a complete nervous breakdown and is unable to complete my job :(

Now I gotta start all over again. Dealing with people online is pretty much like Forest Gump said about the
box of chocolates.

Ulfie your @Home service was cut off? It's 8 am here and the @Home news server and mail server is still working.

mutt

Know what I mean?
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not always....
;-)))
Serge

Caffeine is mucking up all my adenosine receptors. My neurons think it's the 4th of July. Mother neuron, baby. Hold on!

On Sunday I was mowing the lawn and those goddamned cockroaches were back - carrying off my soul and drinking my nectar. What the hell do
they think they are? Ants?

Don't know why the hell they always come back whenever I'm mowing the lawn. Maybe the music isn't loud enough.

I'm gonna get the goddamned biggest can of RAID the world's ever seen and wipe those fuckers out. Know what I mean?
Colin TGP2 Bucks on Acid!

What's your favorite Beatles song?

Mine is ..

"Across the Universe"

For the lyrical melody .. not the lyrics .. but just in case ...

Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup,
They slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy are drifting through my open mind,
Possessing and caressing me.
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.
Colin TGP2 Bucks. Across the Universe!

What is IT?

http://www.howstuffworks.com/ginger.htm
Colin WE are it!

Serge we need pics of your dick, all 3 inches.

Cleo
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Cleo, please don't mislead folks...

3 inches are only when I'm excited!
Serge (look what THIS asshole of the month came up with!)

Ulfie, the one downfall is that politicians figured out the one thing that the lazy and the unworking will do: VOTE.

In a Presidential election that was won by about a room full of votes, nobody wants to be the one to piss off 10% of the population.

Capitalism's safety net is just a hammock with a fancy name, especially if people lay in that net long enough.

Vick, always up for a political chat. Read PJ, you will laugh while ya learn some things.. I did. :-)

Alex
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Capitalism provides for a safety net, socialism provides a hammock. I have never understood why people who collect a welfare check shouldn't have to actually do some work to get it. Whether it be picking up trash on the highways or whatever at least make able bodied people do SOMETHING for the money. Welfare has created a whole society of people who create nothing, do nothing, and add nothing to society. That needs to be changed.

Ulfie

Alex - How about we pull up in Vegas for an Absolute-ism and continue our discussion of the relative merits of political and govermental systems?

2:50AM EST Baltimore, Maryland
@Home still working

Off to bed

Vick Who is John Galt?

Note: Excite @ home homepage is no longer available... *for whom the bell tolls*

Vick, absolute capitalism only works in a system where everyone is educated, everyone is physically able, and everyone is perfectly healthy. Sadly, there is illness, disabilities, and people who are just not in a position to get up off the ground. Those people need the help.

I agree, however, that many socialist systems create a "why work?" mentality that really has a huge negatie impact in the world. (Too bad they don't have computers, then they could just spam and make millions).

As I said, it looks like about 10-15% of ALL of the population here is living off the government. Probably 1/4 of that number are screwing the system in one way or another to avoid work.

Remember also, there is a "natural" unemplyment level, somewhere near about 4%. When the employment levels get below that, like it did about a year ago, you start getting really shitty service at your mcdrivethru, because they had to hire people who really just don't want to work, just shouldn't work, and don't give a shit if they have a job or sleep in a box.

No absolutism, perhpas?

Alex
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Alex, I have a large challenge with tax supported goverment intervention to support those who will not or can not support themselves
Socialism lends its self to that much too easily
Charity begins at home
Not with a goverment handout

And I do not see the need for any socialism be it for the sick, weak or just plain fucking lazy or stupid

That is what families are for
and Darwinism

Vick Who is John Galt?

Alex, have heard of P.J. O'Rourke's Eat the Rich, will have to look into it

My challenge still lies with "10-15% of the population directly lives off of the handouts from other people's taxes."

Why should I be burdened with them?
Socialsim encourages or at the very least enables these bottom feeders

Will respectfully disagree with you in regards to Capitalism
"An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."

For me that is a workable system
Your returns are from your efforts and ability
And no room should be left for those who will not work or produce

Vick Who is John Galt?

Vick, there is a big difference in these isms...

Communism is an absolute. Everybody has to play the game.

Socialism is a bottom feeder's game. In our case here, 10-15% of the population directly lives off of the handouts from other people's taxes.

Pure socialism is not workable. Pure communism is not workable. But, pure 100% capitism is not workable either. Our societies face the problems of the sick, the weak, the stupid... we are compassionate (even adult webmasters), and as such, we need SOME socialism to make the whole thing work out.

Might i suggest P.J. O'Rourke's Eat the rich? Amusing, but more importantly, explains the "too much" theory in great detail.

Alex
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Well... its 2:30ish AM EST here in Michigan, and my Comcast connection is still workin... I hope it stays that way! ;-)

fatbaby

Shit Ulfie,
that sucks bro!!

I was just reading the boards at http://www.dslreports.com , ppl are pissed. well I guess I will see in about 40 minutes if I go down, luckily we have dsl also:)
sextoyking 100 Animated Banners, $799.00

Todd, yeah it could be the area. Everyone I know in Pittsburgh lost access tonight. I think comcast already had a network ready for this, at&t didn't.

Ulfie

Hey Todd, read this.....
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B5274AFF9%2DD411%2D431F%2DB95E%2DD10FB6BE9AAE%7D&siteid=mktw
Ulfie

2:06 AM EST and I'm still connected via cable modem through Comcast
Will see what happens later today

Raw Alex ....
You're smarter than that.....
Communism and Socialism have never worked anywhere at anytime for anyone or any society

There are those who will not hold up their end or put forth the required effort for either to work and hide behind the ideals of those ism's

Why should the common good of all be a concern on the top 10%?

Why should the top 10% be burdened with the other 90%?

Diamond Jim was kind enough to turn me on to Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand a few weeks back
If you haven't read it I highly recommend it

Vick Who is John Galt?

Ya i hope they get it straight soon.One of the reasons in picking the spot for my house being built was because i could get @home highspeed and not be in the city.

Got a few more weeks till its done, so i hope they hurry ;-)
Moose Merry Christmas

Ulfie,

I am still on, what's the difference, the area you live in??

sextoyking 100 Animated Banners, $799.00

Moose, it's true, at&t caused this whole mess because they are trying to buy the network for next to nothing. They figured getting it shut down would make it worth even less. Now Microsoft and ComCast have put bids in so it's even more screwed up. at&t "claims" they will have their network up in 2 weeks. Until then I'm SOL because I can't get dsn where I live so I'm stuck with a shitty dialup.

Ulfie

Ulfie,

wtf happended?? My @home from Att is still up, 11pm here PST..
sextoyking 100 Animated Banners, $799.00

Ulfie no shit...
damn i didnt think it would happen.This is really bad.

I hope they get their shit together quick.
Moose Merry Christmas

Kitty,
I don't smoke ;))))
SykkBoy make more bank then ever before

Well folks, it just happened. My @home cable connection went bye-bye at about 1:30. I'm now back on the old 28.8 dialup. 45% of all broadband users just lost their connections. ;(((

Ulfie

BTW what is your normal rate?
I heard it was a packet of cigarettes and a meal at burger king !!! ;)
Kitty Imagine there's no heaven...it's easy if you try...

Sykkboy - don't do that to me...
now my chair is all wet !

Kitty Imagine there's no heaven...it's easy if you try...

Torone, the difference:

Communism: Basically, everyone "get's some" mostly because everyone have a job, everyone is made "useful", even if they are not. Most often associated with a command economy, where the state dictates what work is done.

Socialism: Basically, everyone "get's some" mostly because there is a huge social safety net that creates a minimum income, medical, and such. The state does not dictate what you do, it just takes a big percentage of your income and does with it as it sees fit.

I live in Quebec. Socialism to the end. If I actually had any personal income, I would pay anything up to 52% income tax - to pay for all those lovely social things.

Biggest difference between socialism and communism is that socialism does, to a point, work in a free society. Communism REQUIRES that you bow down to the state.

End results are similar.

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Kitty, you'll just have to wait til Vegas to see mine in pearson...maybe I'll even stuntcock for ya....but you'll have to pay my normal rate
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I was going to post pics of Mikes dick but since he was in the hot tub his dick shrunk up tilll it was almost gone.. sorry Brad : (

But you should see the TITS !
Billy !!

Serge we need pics of your dick, all 3 inches.

Cleo

YES! post more Dick pics!!!

C'mon guys get your tocklies out and post em coz i am feeling in need of a good laugh!
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Billy, please post for Monk the pic of Mike's DICK!
Serge

Mike is NAKED and in the HOT TUB with four other guys and none of them is ME : )

Billy

Torone,
you get Honarary Membership in Oprano common sense society.

Fuck the commi liberal bastards!

Motherfuckers try turning this country in worse variety of what I left 22 years ago!
Serge

Serge, take it easy this weekend, save some for next weekend.

I am ready to drink some vodka!

Brad Shaw
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Brad, this is FLORIDA,
we don't drink vodka, it's TOO HOT!

how about we gang bang Jordan instead?
;_))
Serge

Very Happy Birthday, Mike!!!!

Dravyk

"You really should do something more exciting tonight than post on the board. ;))"

Yeah....like taking some more pictures of your girlfriend and posting them on the board!!

Monk

Mike,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Torone

Happy birthday Mike. You really should do something more exciting tonight than post on the board. ;))

Ulfie

Torone, I am with you 110% !!
Mike AI

I am about to step on a lot of toes; and for the pain, I apologize.

You people who bill yourselves as liberals really need to learn what that equates to. Today's liberal believes in SOCIALISM, pure and simple. That is where the term 'corporate welfare' comes from. There is no such thing. What is welfare about either NOT taking money away from the people who lawfully earned it or giving back money (taken by extortion) which shouldn't have been taken in the first place.

Socialism=Society owns all assets
Communism=Community owns all assets

Please show me the difference between the two.

While you are at it, tell me why 75% of my meager earnings should either be taken for taxes or should pay other people's taxes. Tell me why the government should have a right to tell me how much water my toilet must hold, or whether I can smoke in my own house or car.

If there were no such thing as withholding of payroll taxes, you can pretty much bet that the IRS (the liberal's favorite beaurocracy) would last less that a decade. If the average Joe had to sit down and write a check at the end of every year to pay for that bloated monster to keep functioning, Liberal Politicians would have to do what they should do, anyway...leave this country!!!

I support the effort to track down and eliminate the terrorists in and out of this country. The liberals are too busy trying to bring down our president to realize that their own icon (FDR) did far worse things to civil rights. Bush's order specifically EXCLUDES American citizens and further limits certain actions to non-citizens who are suspected of being tied to ben Laden and/or Al Qaeda.

For those who still wish to bring this country down, I have this warning:
You're walking on the fightin' side of me!
Torone

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