Jesse,

According to the specialists on the news channels. Not stating my opinion, just what they have said.

They have said that those engines were designed to breakaway during a catastophic event, or major problems. If the engine shutdown quickly or ceased it could cause it to rip off the wing.
Stallion

this isnt't partisan because I wouldn't feel any better if Al Gore was in the White House now.

But i will tell you who I wish was in the White House now, Bob Dole. A man who has been battle tested.
mutt

FBI has just confirmed tht athere WAS an expolsion on that plane ...
more details to follow
kitty Sexcontents

Interesting story in the Vegas Airport yesterday: There are now huge lines to get through security. close to the end of the line, about 5 people in front of me, a lady started yelling for security. It seems a man hopped into the line just a few feet previously instead of in the back and when questioned by some other men, said he was with the lady in front. I'm a bad judge of nationalities (being Irish, English, Dutch, German, etc. - a mutt - myself ;)), but he did have characteristics of Arab nationals. The lady said she had never seen him before and demanded to know what he was doing there, why he said he was with her, and then she started calling for security. He didn't seem to have a ticket - just a piece of paper in his hand. Security never showed up, he left immediately and the security people at the scanners refused to listen to any of us. Incredible.
Peaches

I could be wrong, but arent people jumping to conclusions here?
We dont know for sure that this was not an accident.
voodooman Zmaster

Serge,

Yeah, but they don't fall off planes.

Jesse
Jesse

I flew out of Newark yesterday and the security there seemed fairly lax.
When I checked in the lady rushed thru and forgot one of the security questions "has anyone asked you to carry anything for them".
Not sure what detection devices they have in the baggage area. When I left for Newark last week they were picking every 4th passenger in Oklahoma City to have their bags opened and inspected.
At Newark yesterday I saw maybe a dozen armed National Guard troops, but most of them were surrounded by visitors wanting to talk to them. I hardly saw any of them looking around, they seemed too distracted.
The x-ray security people I saw were about 99% foreign. One lady had to repeat what she was saying to the guy in front of me several times. I think she was telling him to take his laptop out of the bag.
I have to admit I did not feel very safe while waiting to get on my plane. They randomly checked some passengers, but it looked like maybe 5 at the most..and they were all white and half were teens.
They may be doing something, but I definately agree that it is not enough.
Anyone remember John Malkovich's character in "In the Line of Fire"? He made a plastic gun that passed right through a metal detector? I know that it can't be that hard to get around most security.
Never mind that a glass or plastic knife can go right thru a metal detector but will still kill you just as easily as a metal knife. If anyone thinks metal-detectors make things safer they are fooling themselves.
Yeah, we still have a long way to go before we can be safe..if we can ever truly be safe.
Zebra Insite Adult

Jesse D,
FYI,
"engine troubles" are one of the main reasons behind airplane crushes...
Serge

Mutt I think Iraq should be taken care off. I think Bush will take care of business there soon enough...

When the Allies firebombed Dresdon and other German cities, were we concerned about civilians??


Mike AI

There is a "pecking order" that happens in animal societies (this applies to humans as well as we are one of those animals). You are either #1 or not. This is inexorable. In history, anyone not in the number one spot has been tortured, pillaged, killed, etc. I, for one, and glad to be number one and am willing to wipe out anyone (country) that wishes to take our spot.

As far as this individual incident, engines don’t just come off big planes. These planes have rigorous maintenance checks. BOMB!

Jesse D

Jesse

to me i have said since Day 1, what was the point of taking on Afghanistan? To find ONE man who they tell us might be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
And u know if we ever get within a hundred miles of him he will kill himself, he said so.

And he said his death means nothing, there are thousands who will continue the jihad.

Hussein is Number 1 evil-doer.
mutt

The people of Afganistan are responsible for the gov't they have, they are responsible for hiding Bin Laden, and Al Quada.
**********************************

have to agree with this statement....
"ordinary people" enjoyed what they percieved "law and order",
now they are paying the price for their wrong
PERCEPTIONS...
Serge

Yeah Fox showed what looked like an Engine that was not close to the rest of the accident...


Mike AI

CBS just showed the engine crash site, from the looks of the building behind it, it is a Texaco gas station, and it appears to have landed within a few feet of it.
Stallion

royal palm huge leave just fell down and landed on my car with a noise....

let's nuke Petr....it happened right after his post,
things making you go hmmmmmmmmmm........

Serge

the ordinary people in Afghanistan???
______________

Are there any "ordinary" people in Afganistan?

The people of Afganistan are responsible for the gov't they have, they are responsible for hiding Bin Laden, and Al Quada.

Nukes however exciting to use, is not the solution. If there were, we have plenty of low yeild bombs that would not put out much radiation at all.
Mike AI

Petr, mutt was talking about Iraq, not Afganistan.

please read WRITTEN words, not what you read into them.
Serge

u have a better idea?

please share.
mutt

I love New Yorkers!!
Mike AI
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"haimee town",
according to Jessee Jackson..prick!
Serge

and who exactly would you want to kill with the nuke??? the ordinary people in Afghanistan???

that's _no_solution_

Petr

Mutt,
and not only to airline Industry,
I can see recession hit harder and harder every day, across the whole spectrum on economy
Serge

he also said:
"and you can kiss my Irish ass",
I heard him live on TV
_____________

I love New Yorkers!!
Mike AI

this is just so sad.

imagine what this is going to do the airline industry.
mutt

Voodoo,
good question!
Serge

"YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME COME AND GET ME, I'M IN FAR ROCKAWAY BEACK COME GET ME BITCH!!!'

who knows? anything's possible.
mutt
***************

he also said:
"and you can kiss my Irish ass",
I heard him live on TV
;-))
Serge

so why do we have any nuclear weapons? is there any situation where we should use them? only after we have been hit by a nuclear attack?

i'm not a military expert nor a scientist, i don't know what the impact of dropping a nuke on a country in the Middle East would have.

hmmmmmmmm...........
mutt

"I have flown a lot lately, security is still a joke in some places."

Travelling at 6 airports over the last 3 weeks, I have only seen 'competent' security checks one time. And checked bags still have none, in most places.


DaveAFX

It was reported that the plane was supposed to take off at 8:00am, and was delayed until 9:15am, what caused the delay?
voodooman Zmaster

serge of course i am hoping this was an accident.

but i don't know, the odds are kinda steep considering what's happened.

Some guy called in to the Stern show with a far out theory. But with these people u never know.

At that big fund raiser for the firemen and policmen in NYC a few weeks ago with all the superstars of music, a NYC fireman got up and shouted "YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME COME AND GET ME, I'M IN FAR ROCKAWAY BEACK COME GET ME BITCH!!!'

who knows? anything's possible.
mutt

i think people are in denial. These people want Armageddon.
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mutt, and using nukes just because it feels good at the moment is the first step towards it.

do you REALLY want deliver them what they want?
Serge

Grimm, we are only getting sketchy details - bomb could have been in a bag.

Security is not that good yet - I have flown a lot lately, security is still a joke in some places.

They have people who flunked out of grammer school operating security at most airports.

In Dallas, I had people checking me out who barely spoke english. Most were Mexican, but a few looked Somolian ( they were black, and had thick accents.) I felt like I should be checkig them out...


Mike AI

on oz news now - i am going to watch see you all later
kitty Sexcontents

Sorry Serge...just thought you were ready to pop.

wanted to see if I could get you over the edge! =)
BigDog
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BigDog,
please don't, at least today,
my children live 25 miles from Newark Airport...
Serge

I don't think that the EASIEST explanation as "terrorists" is the most probable one...

BTW,
this is first A300 plane crush in USA on my memory...
Serge

i'm not for war or death.

i think people are in denial. These people want Armageddon. There is no way of protecting ourselves and there is no way of knowing what they have and where they will stop.

So what is the answer? Wait until it's 500,000 dead and not 5,000?



mutt

Sorry Serge...just thought you were ready to pop.

wanted to see if I could get you over the edge! =)
BigDog what?

i was for nuking Iraq Sept 11th.


...and what were your estimates of fall outs reaching Europe, US?
Serge

i remember that serge. it was winter, and the plane slid into the water.
grimm

When was the last time an airplane crashed in Queen's NYC?
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11 years ago plane skidded of runway in LaGuardia...

are terrorists responcible for
FIRST Concorde plane crash in residential neighborghood in Paris?

Guys, planes DO crash!
less often than cars but they do...
Serge

mike...how does a bomb get in the engine of a plane with this amount of security.
grimm

did the typhoon move over N.Y?
BigDog Typhoon madness.

last week wanker admits he is behind S11 today another airplane down

abit suspicious
kitty Sexcontents

Mutt! you are HARD-CORE ;)
BigDog Kill'Em ALL...Let God Sort Em Out!

BigDog,
and so they showed tayphoon in Asia...
Serge

i was for nuking Iraq Sept 11th.

Serge, you are going to hear all sorts of possible explanations during the next week.

When was the last time an airplane crashed in Queen's NYC?


mutt

WE give that Cockholster WAY too much airtime.
grimm

Yeah I am thinking this was either a bomb or sabatoge.

Still very disturbing...

:-(
Mike AI

i think we should take out france. France should pay for what happened to this Airbus:;)
grimm

HMMMM...didn't they just play parts of the BinLaden interview on T.V. last night?
BigDog things that make you go HMMMM

If we are going to bomb any cities, i vote for Ann Arbor:)
grimm

mutt, fire reported from right side of the plane, appeared to be engine trouble....

should we nuke Airbus who made plane as well?
Serge

Baghdad first. Goodbye.

After it's gone, ask if anybody else wants a piece of the USA.
mutt

and that was at cnn.com too - i finally got thru
kitty Sexcontents

NYC is closed down. All bridges tunnels everything.

It is time. Now.
mutt

From hungryman @ GFY:

witnesses saw the plane explode before it crashed ....
this is no accident

GFY and oprano are only two boards with any posts about this so far

kitty Sexcontents

According to CCN there are 2 crashsites.
1 where the engine crashed and 1 where the airplane itself hit the ground......
kitty Sexcontents

I seen the news, and its just an expression, its monday, I have a headache and another plane went down, your right, nothing good about it.
voodooman Zmaster

voodoo read the board man there is nothing good goign on right now
kitty Sexcontents

G'mornin everyone.




voodooman Zmaster

2 crash sites...
where plane hit the ground and engine hit the ground
Serge

http://www.cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/11/12/plane_011112



kitty Sexcontents

Al, glad to hear that
Serge

That's the flight I always take, JFK-SDQ...unbelievable. Just spoke to my parents though(live nearby), at least they're ok.
Al

Pentagon says
no reports of irregularity prior to crash.
Serge

Off topic, but does anyone have any experience with RELIABLE credit repair? if so drop me email at matt@fsn.net
grimm

still nothing on OZ news...

dumb ass oz tv - too worried abo t sellign tv shopping mall >:(
kitty Sexcontents

Kitty, I only post what I hear,
I don't wanna speculate on ANYTHING at this stage
Serge

Just heard the flight had 246 passengers.. :(
Stallion

246 passengers, 9 crew members..
;-(((
Serge

cannot get into cnn.com - too busy

look at this:

http://www.cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/11/12/plane_011112
kitty Sexcontents

initial report suspects NO terrorist activity
********
Do you trhink at this stage they would tell us anyway????

remember the news during s11 - they didn't wnat to poin tfinger then either.

They do not want ppl to panic again
that is all
kitty Sexcontents

smoke changed to white from black,
suggesting some success in fire control
Serge

just saw a post at GFY
they said (and most probably right )
that noethern alliance take 50% afghanistann
US gets plane carsh
Most like ly a bomb
it crahsed just after takeoff- not enough timne
kitty Sexcontents

initial report suspects NO terrorist activity
Serge

have they released any info yet aboput possible causes???
kitty Sexcontents

all i wanna know is when the fuck do we get serious about these fuckers?


mutt

sorry for the duplicate info.. You beat me to the post Serge
Stallion

Just heard off CNN it is now confirmed as American Airlines Flight 587, a Airbus A-300, that was not inbound, but leaving JFK on its way to Santa Domingo.
Stallion

corrections from CNN:

AA flight leaving JFK A300 , not 767
Serge

The FAA identifies the flight as American flight 587, from JFK to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

fire seem to be subsiding,
I hope the flight wasn't from LV and none of our friends was on it,
mayor Guliani is on his way
Serge

JFK, LaGuardia, Newark airports are closed now
Serge

kitty, I'll keep you posted 'till OZ gets news feed
Serge

shit
i know what you mean serge,
i was watching the nes on s11 when they interrupted to shor the building attcks i watched the whole thing...
I don't want to see any more shit in my life time
kitty Sexcontents

serge... i am confident that it was not terrorism. But i have a sick feeling in my stomach anyway.
grimm

inbound flight, crashed in rockaway, queens.

thats where my grandmother lived.

grimm

grimm,
I think we'll know more by the day's end...

fuck! this si all I can think of at the moment
;-(((
Serge

not on OZ news yet
kitty Sexcontents

4 or more buildings on fire...
Serge

No word on what caused it. Seems real close to the airport, so probably mechanical failure or something.
grimm

inbound plane coming to JFK
Serge

just caught the news ;(((

strike that part of my last post ;((


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not known yet if the plane was taking off or landing
Serge

Deb,
thank you, sweety,
==============================
No problem. Anytime. ;-)

*Hugs*
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Rockaways,
I went to the beach there when I lived in NY, lots of apartment buildings there
;-(((
Serge

American Airlines planes goes down in Queens, NY
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SHIT!!!!!!!

what caused it??????


BTW we have link to oprano at sexlicence!
kitty Sexcontents

great day for doing business
******************

not anymore...
767 plane
;-(((
Serge

Oprano hasn't stopped for this long since before friday night!
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Yeah well get this - we pay over $2000 per month for our bog pond adsl connection - the reason it's so much is that it's spose to NEVR drop out - well guess what happened ??
they dropped out!!!
Apparently it is in QLD only .
Meanwhile I call Corvo up to see if he is connected - he's got bloody dial up for liek $30 bucks a month thru powerup and he's still connected
FUCKING TELSTRA!!!!!! >:(

Luckily for us we have this club, fitted out with a lot of computers on cable. We had to drive over here to work.

so now I am here don't worry!!!

Serge - I think you could wear me out anyday if your posting is any thing to go by! ;)
kitty Sexcontents

American Airlines planes goes down in Queens, NY
;-(((
Serge Hooper, go have some sushi on us!!!

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