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Toolz and Sharky you guys are exactly right...

I stepped out of my office and my phones were ringing like mad. I think this is a new record set here, from me posting to getting phone calls.

There needs to be NO PHONE CALLS placed to me... I think the people responsible should address their peers here in the public forum!

Lee Noga, what is your take on this? Ron is your boss, are you comfortable associating yourself with these type of business practices?

Ron? Send out your spin meisters. Tell everyone how I am lying and full of shit, trying to start contraversy to make my program better, or to get business for Oprano.

Fact is I am not promoting my program on these posts, and Silvercash is an advertiser on Oprano. Though I am not sure for how long, I am sure Mike will pull the advertising.

But unlike other people I am no whore... nor am I a theif.

Of course I could be totally off, maybe my browser had some problems - maybe this scam is NOT really going on.

Mike AI

Mike, the customer never even is informed that he's also joined another site? Jesus, it would be bad enough if after they joined a Silvercash site they were suddenly told "Hey Bud, we know how big a perv you are so we took the liberty to hook you up with another porno site. Don't bother to thank us, we like to make our customers happy!".
But you're saying these unwitting customers aren't even aware that they are now members to the second site, Cybererotica in this case.

Nice. Well, since CE has a big file at the FTC, it should be really easy to narc on them if that's what somebody wants to do. Nothing makes a fed happier than to finally get somebody whose lawyers got them off the hook.

mutt

Exactly, Toolz. Upselling/Cross-selling under very clear terms and disclosure is one thing. I still don't like it cuz surfers are dumbasses for the most part and the potential for abuse is huge....but I can see it being used legitimately. Banging a card with no disclosure is going fuck us all even more and is one of the reasons the biz is so tight right now already...

Diamond Jim

I think the term they would prefer to use is Cross-selling.

I think it can be done right, with full disclosure and no tricks. It doesn't sound like this is the case for sure!

sharky Knowing Your Niche!

I was just telling Mike on icq that a lot of us webmasters never hear about this kind of scamming. And yet we hear about conversions being down, and ftc investigations, etc. This shit is just the kind of thing that will bring down the industry, and even internet commerce itself. But I guess as long as it makes _some_ people money, then it's ok for the rest of us paeons to suffer.

The lack of forethought by some people in this business simply amazes me.
geeky

Sharky,

Cross-selling? This sounds more like throwing something in your shopping bag after you've paid and billing your credit card when your gone.

Cross-selling to me is when you buy a walkman and they hit you up for the batteries at checkout.

Toolz

Very true MikeAI. So many people are scared to step on their toes.
In reality, you would be surprised at how many companies use these same practices.

It is a shame.. and I could only hope that something will be done. There needs to be full disclosure on the cross-selling methods.. and from what you posted, it doesn't seem like there is!
It will only harm our industry as a whole if these practices continue.

sharky Knowing Your Niche!

Sharky, these kind of scams are like a cancer. The Gov't comes in and stops it in one area, and it will go away - but then it pops up in another area.

It amazes me how these people are hailed as players and leaders - but in reality they are THIEVES.

I guess if one steals enough, and in inventive ways they are no longer theives, but innovative businessmen!

HAHAHAHA

Mike AI

What I find suprising, (and I do not know why I do, because 95% of the people in this indsutry are cockhoslters or pussys) is that not many people speak up about this.

Do YOU not realize that SilverCash and CE are putting this entire industry at risk? Do you not relize that these companies are hurting YOUR BUSINESS and your future?

They are theives - period. But instead of having a gun, they use a mercahnt account to STEAL from people.

Actions like this put major pressure on this indsutry:

1) ruin Credit Card databases for processing comapnies. ( wonder why conversions are down, why re-occuring is down, why CCs are being rejected?)

2) Do you think surfers who get theri credit card slammed are going to ever join a website again??

3) Are you going to be surprised when the gov't steps in?

We as an industry continue to be our own worth enemy... we continue to give ammunition to our critics, and will never be taken as real business people - merely rouges!

Yet No one says anything, I doubt I will get much response to these post... Mike and Ron will be hailed as visionaries - and the same bullshit will continue... until one day there will be no more adult business, and most of you ( those who have not put money away) will have to go back to serving fries at Wendy's....

Mike AI

MikeAI -
Unfortunately billing practices like that have been around for a long time. I thought the FTC investigations put an end to it, but I guess not.

sharky Knowing Your Niche!

MikeAI: Don't you mean those Hairy Bushed Afghani women? Niche, niche, niche! We must bring home the good niche content or we might as well say we lost!
Far-L Homegrown fights for your right to have better sex all the time

Lee: Excuse me.. you are right...

Lee Noga: Sargeant at Arms, cigar chomping commander of the "Hell Hath No Fury" brigade...

Far-L Homegrown fights for your right to have better sex all the time

OK a serious issue has been brought to me by a few friends. One thing that has hurt this industry is the secretive cross billing that continues to plague us.

This cross billing is killing re-occuring databses, making it more difficult for Credti Card processors to accept cards and get sales. It also harms consumer confidence in our indsutry, because many consumers are getting robbed.

As business gets tougher and tougher these scoundrals keep pushing the evelope more and more to generate sales and try to rip people off as much as they can.

The latest example comes from SILVER CASH.

get this....if a customers joins one of Silver Cash's sites right now,
1.) Silver Cash collects the cc info on a non-secure page before going to the processor
2.) after a customer joins, he gets a link that says that it didn't get through and to click here
3.) clicking that submits another transaction for CE ( Cybererotica) through website billing...no notice of another site or crossbilling and NO receipt

Everytime I think this indsutry has a hit a low point, some cockholsters come about and knock the pegs down a little lower.

So Mike from Silver Cash, are you comfortable making money like this?

Ron Levi, Fantasyman from Cybererotica - is business this bad that you have to steal from people?? Do you know that this is going on?? If not, are you going to end it?

Some people will do anything for a buck...

Mike AI

Ummm .. and shouldn't Dig420 be "Counter-Intelligence" .. now i'm in trouble!
Crazy Colin Ynot interviews the Villiage Idiot!

Lee: Propaganda
Crazy Colin Ynot interview with an idiot!

Serge: Special Ops, Recon, Counter-Intelligence
MikeAI: Squad leader, skilled in explosives
Brad Shaw: Bombastics and Incendiaries
Far-L: Fearless grunt and useful target to draw enemy fire.
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Hell, with all men we are bound to lose the war :-))

Hello!

Lee Noga CyberErotica - Mailers that keep paying

Far-L you have a very active imagination!! Ithink you want us to invade Afganistan so you can shoot video of all those HomeGrown Afganie chics!

Mike AI Free content......

Historical Fact: Way back during the war in Vietnam, the Hell's Angels offered to send a platoon of Angels to go fight the Vietcong.

For today's war, we need a new kind of fighting force. One that is prepared for the tough terrain of today's battle zone.

I propose sending over a platoon of porn webmasters to go and fight the Taliban.

Serge: Special Ops, Recon, Counter-Intelligence
MikeAI: Squad leader, skilled in explosives
Brad Shaw: Bombastics and Incendiaries
Far-L: Fearless grunt and useful target to draw enemy fire.

O.K boys, Let's go kick some Bin Laden Ass!

Far-L Homegrown fights for your right to have better sex all the time

It would be nice if all adult magazines were in a plain wrapper for the sake of underage people happening to catch a glance at it (which shouldnt happen anyways) but other than that, I could care less if the postman or anyone else thinks Im a pervert, :-)
voodooman Zmaster

JoeE, when do I get MY mailer for Klixxx?? You promised it, I am still waiting... :-)

Mike AI Free content......

The last issue of Klixxx i got was not in any kind of envelope, and it definitely pissed me off. Someone else mentioned it on here too.
geeky

Joe,
I gotta agree with you on 1 thing, Rocki is good at sales and marketing, designs great clothes, and is DA Bomb:))

sextoyking Serge gets his toys here!

I've yet to even SEE a copy of Klixx,
Who do I have to fuck to get Klixx in my mailbox??? :-))))
voodooman Zmaster

If anything Klixxx is growing due to Joe Devlin , Raquel Napier and the rest of the Klixxx crew.

We have a database of 20,000 mailed webmasters that READ the magazine.
It has NO COMPETITION in the webmaster marketplace and actually
IS about "making money on the net"
unlike other publications. The mailing list is available for webmasters that advertise in the magazine UNLIKE other publications;-)

Mike AI-Serge, your board say what you want but don't you guys work??

:=)))))))) Like gatefold and rb and BigJohnip , etc......

Series bound!
joee Klixxx Now mailed To European Webmasters!

Monk,

Those stats reflect both increased traffic and having a back-log of galleries on TGP2s.

I've published elsewhere that average CTRs on TGP2 galleries are currently 10x what they are on TGP1 galleries. 6k uniques/day of TGP2 traffic to galleries is equivalent to at least 60k uniques/day from TGP1s with massively reduced bandwidth bills. TGP2 is very successful.
Crazy Colin Come talk TGP2 with us!

Mike,

To each his own. Did he forget to mention I was the only one catching anything? ; )
JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Just peeking in... and dropping an interesting quote from General Patton..
http://www.freshphotos.com/greg/taliban.jpg

peace
greg
greg Expand your Number of Sites!!!

Mike, I wasn;t implying you were, I should have seperated that part... ;) it wasn't directed at you...just I see a lot of extreme opposites...
SykkBoy

Mike, I agree, but remember that members of the Klan use religion to back up their force...I find it odd, all religions claim to hate violence, yet have no problems engaging in that violence against someone who may not agree (The Crusades, The Inquisition, a lot of the Middle East confilicts...)

SykkBoy

Sykk I want to be clear, I would not be wiping out terrorists out of anger or even for revenge. I would be doing it to elimate FUTURE threats - PERIOD.

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JMScore, Ken sent me this photo saying this is how you handled your fishing pole.

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SykkBoy you make a good point. However there is a difference between disucssion and debate of religion and what is right - and then using force and violence to push a certain religion.

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Islam wants to turn the clock back, it is simple as that.
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but the same can be said for Christianity too...any religious zealots are dangerous, be they Islam, Christian, Hindu, Shinto, Satanist, Pagan...hell even us non-religious athiests/agnostics have extreme zealots within our ranks...
I hear biblethumpers every day urging turning back the clock to the "innocent" times...were there ever any "innocent" times?

I agree political correctness has done a lot of harm in the country, but cold hearted anger hasn't helped either. Anything taken to extreme is cause for danger and problems...

SykkBoy

I agree 100%. This is getting very frustrating. I fully expect one day to wake up and read that the American government is sending Sympathy cards to the Afghan people and issuing checks for any damage including knocked over lamps and smoke damage to drapery and upholstery.

Crazy. Bush gave these people 3 weeks to do what we demanded and they laughed at us. The ultimatum should have included the dropping of a nuclear warhead directly on the mountains range where the coward Bin Laden hides in a cave.
It's quite apparent that nuclear is the only thing America has left that is feared by anybody.
They study us through the modern global village of 24 hour media and have made the same assessments that you have made Mike. That is why they gave the go ahead for the Sept 11 attacks. They don't fear us. They know we'll spend days glued to our TV sets contemplating our navels, liberals and idiots like Richard Gere pleading for calm and peace. Ugh.

Listen, I don't want to see ONE American, Brit, Canadian, AUssie die over there if the goal isn't to WIN this thing DECISIVELY in as short a time period as possible!
WIN OR GET THE HELL OUT!!!

Hmmmmmm........i fear it is going to take what Serge is talking about, smallpox, bubonic plague, huge outbreak before we do what has to be done. I'm not talking about dropping something that will wipe them off the map immediately. Something smaller in those mountains to prove to them that we mean business!!! Hopefully the smaller nuke will kill or smoke Bin Laden out of his hole.

mutt

Wasn't the tragedy of September 11 enough for the PC crowd to wake up and smell the burnt toast

Obviously it wasn't

And this is nothing like Vietnam and will never be
Vietnam was a war with no clear mission/objective, was actually continued from WWII and didn't have the support of the American people

Vick It's only Money

Aly I have confidence that we have Generals who are up to the task. The real problem is the Civilian Leadership, and the press...

I promise you if Bush told the Pentagon to take off the gloves, and do what it had to do to win the war on terrorism - it would done.

Part of our problem is we cannot be honest with ourselves as a nation. Saudi Arabia is NOT an allie, they shake our hands, smile for photos, and at the same time they send millions of $$$s to terrorist orginizations. The gov't has been going out of its way saying Iraq has nothing to do with any of the latest attacks. Why is this?? I could be wrong, we could be just not showing our hands, and will handle Iraw later - but I do not see it happening.

We list out a bunch of terrorist orginizations to freeze assets of, but we do not include all of the terrorists groups who are operating in Lebanon, against Israel...

IT is time we draw a line, and are honest and clear. I thought Bush was going to do it, but it appears he is too concerned about keeping a coalition together.

I understand that sometimes one must make temporary alliences with countries we do not like, as Churchill said, that if the Devil was lined up against Hitler, Churchill would find something good to say about him.

But eventually we will have to address all nations who have waged war against us, directly or indirectly...

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Mike, I'm pure as the driven snow, you know that. : )

JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

It always comes down to the fact that we either have to carry out a military operation, or we should pack up and go home. We have to learn that there is no way for us to please everyone, especially in the middle east.
geeky

AHHHH Serge you truly understand the modern Poltically Correct Country we live in.
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of course I do!
it's PCC for short....

I own it at 12.20
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Serge

I hope we can shed this debilitating disease, and once again become the country that we used to be...
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it MIGHT happen but at cost we don't wanna pay.

I see political correctnes out of the window big time when
bubonic plague introduced as a next bio-terrorism weapon.
Serge

Serge - lol I see your point.

Mike - we need generals like those again, IMHO : ))

Aly MC Monday Mania Continues

JMscore, I thought you were trying to get me to Cali so you could scam on my GF... That is the reputation you have... a heart breaker...

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What do you think Patton, McAuthor, Eisenhower, and other great Generals would be pushing for right now??
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let me try, I wasn't born in this country, it might take me 4 strikes....

Would they be pushing to save American lives at ALL COST of enemies lives?
Serge (blow up RRRed look alike doll FREE to all NEW affiliates!)

AHHHH Serge you truly understand the modern Poltically Correct Country we live in.

Political Correctness and those who have forced it upon us, has caused more damge to our nation, and our physche then ANY bombs ever could.

We used to be a country of leaders, of rugged individuals - now we are a country of sheep who have been brow beaten by intellectual wackos from their ivory towers on college campuses, gov't beuracrats, and liberals...

I hope we can shed this debilitating disease, and once again become the country that we used to be...

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Mike,

I've been trying to talk you into making a trip out here for months...and here all Ken had to do was show you his dingy? ; )

JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Aly,
my post answered your question as well.

you see,
American Army is the most Envirinmentally Sensative Army in the World.

can you imagine what would happen to
Afgani Spotted Owls if we bomb heavier!?

USA learned it's lesson during WW II
no spotted owls were left in Germany and Japan and 30 years later those countries,
not restricted by Spotted Owl Sensative Economy, competed with us on all world markets.

Do you really want Afgani Motors
put Ford out of business 30 years from now,
'cuz they would be able to build them on every corber, without Spotted Owls concerns???

No way!
Serge

Aly my opinion we are not doing all we can is because we have become a natio of political correctness. We are concerend what the press will report, and how the American people will react.

Everyone is worried about the next "Vietnam", about the American people turning on the Gov;t in its support of the war, and of course what Serge says about Political Correctness.

What do you think Patton, McAuthor, Eisenhower, and other great Generals would be pushing for right now??

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Thanks,

K
KB

We need to start drilling our own oil,
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MikeAI, with all due respect,
when you said
fuck civilians - I could understand that
when you said- fuck Islam-
I could understand

but when you say-
FUCK THE SPOTTED OWL and frog which crys like pig-
that's where I get off and part my ways!

USA should preserve american owls MORE THAN ANYTHING,
or else Spotted Owls Historians will never forgive us!
Serge

***but we are not doing 1/1000 of what we could do. ****

Mike,

I keep asking why that is. I fully agree we are not doing as much as we could. I'm trying to look at it from all view points, but can't come up with one damned good enough reason to not be taking more action!

Aly MC Monday Mania Continues

Lets face it, the bombing going on in Afganistan is SMALL, compaired to real wars. We are talking 10-20 sorties a day, mostly by carrier based aircraft that can only carry 2 small 500lb bombs.

In Iraq, we were flying 2,000 sorties a day. Of course Iraq has a lot more to bomb, but we are not doing 1/1000 of what we could do.

I read an interesting article the other day about how recently the US became so concerned about "civilian casualties". Our duty in war is to end it as soon as possible, the sooner we win the the war, the less casualties there will be. Including on OUR side, which is paramont.

They say the Afgan people have been through a lot, and the US should not be the next country to put them through hell. My opinion is the Afgan people had an opportunity to rise up and force the type of gov't they want, so they are responsible for the condition they are in. While I would not target civilians, I would not be that concerned about civilian deaths.... of course I know the press would have a shit fit. ( Did press have a shit fit when we fire bombed Germany?)

My concern is that the leaders of this country will have to wake up and realize that Islam is part of the problem. It is NOT a peaceful religion as they keep preaching - while it can be, a majority of those who are Islamic do not see it this way. No major Islamic countries or leaders ( with the exception of Turkey) has stood with the US - because they know their people are secretly happy to what happened to the US.

Saudi Arabi is part of the problem.... We need to start drilling our own oil, and find other sources for oil so we are not forced to have to deal with them. We need to get with Russia, China and Britain and be prepaired to stomp out this threat to the future of humanity.

Islam wants to turn the clock back, it is simple as that. This is going to eventually be a war between those who embrace technology and progress, and those who want to return us to the middle ages.

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Crazy Colin,

Are those increased hits a result of submitting more galleries or a result of increased volume of traffic coming from the same # of galleries to the same TGP2 sites?

Monk

Vick, I seen that last night on CNN, they made it clear that one security person was fired over the deal. As the media has said time and again, these security people working minimum wage are just not capable of holding such an important job.
voodooman Zmaster!

Those are TGP2 galleries. All his TGP2 galleries combined.
Crazy Colin Discuss TGP2 Here!

Airport security anyone
http://www.nolalive.com/news/t-p/metro/index.ssf?/newsstory/e_airgun25.html

Vick It's only Money

A gallery maker's numbers (raws/ uniques). Combine these numbers with CTRs that are 10x better than TGP1 and sign-up ratios that are twice as good.

10/01 1,544 1,139
10/02 1,960 1,568
10/03 1,671 1,333
10/04 1,062 840
10/05 1,838 1,369
10/06 2,285 1,677
10/07 2,166 1,555
10/08 2,386 1,567
10/09 3,568 2,449
10/10 4,000 2,820
10/11 4,432 2,970
10/12 4,992 3,344
10/13 5,659 3,751
10/14 5,172 3,494
10/15 5,060 3,467
10/17 4,069 2,757
10/18 5,340 3,392
10/19 6,687 4,174
10/20 7,594 4,952
10/21 8,235 5,305
10/22 9,767 6,209
10/23 8,843 5,826
10/24 9,642 6,432

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Mutt, HAHA! :)
Crazy Colin Using 4 Free Bucks? Our new sites are converting like mad!

It'd be like Whack-A-Mole!
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Chris, some of them are STILL newbies
;-))))
Serge

RickYNOT?
Meat?
AGA?

Who are those newbies? :-)

Evil Chris Where Serge sends all his surfer traffic

also....as it was just pointed out to me
the pearl was nominated
by KK
post Post # 26340
and it is NOT prohibitted in her locale...

Serge

Evil Chris,
first of all,
I am glad you have chosen Oprano to be your mentor on how to run things.
I taught RickYNOT (some)
I taught Meat, I taught AGA,
and I'll teach you as well,
you are in a good hands
;-)))

secondary,
haven't you read the rules in it's entirety?
pay attention and I quote:
"Void where prohibited by law."

those rules are prohibited by laws in my locale
;-((((

Boca raton Council meeting August 3rd 1968,
minutes available at
http://cotac.com/~knight/CarolCox/nekkidChris.jpg

Serge (blow up RRRed look alike doll FREE to all NEW affiliates!)

Brad
OU vs Neb.

final score?
I'm guessing
24-21
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

It'd be like Whack-A-Mole!

Colin TGP2 Bucks. 1:18. 8 sites now!

I noticed you added your own comments to the "Pearls" page today Serge. How very pretentious of you! :-)

Didn't you even read your *own* rules that apply to this????

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Webmasters in any of the following categories are NOT eligible to participate in or actively add to the "Pearls of Wisdom" or "Morons Say" pages at Oprano: webmasters who are immediate family (defined as sisters, brothers, daughters, sons, and each of their respective spouses) of, or who reside in the same household (whether related or not) as, (a) persons who on or after January 1, 2001 were or are owners, employees or agents of Oprano, or their respective subsidiaries, affiliated companies, franchisees or service agencies, or independent contractors of any of the above organizations, or employees of the website; and/or (b) individuals engaged, or employed by a company that is engaged, in the development, production or distribution of materials for this so-called webmaster resource area. Void where prohibited by law.
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Evil Chris Makes cat-herding easy...

Search engines and Cipro.. interesting thoughts on their responsibilities...
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geeky

Colin,

personally I would not be surprised if he were not even in Afghanistan. If he is, and he had a chance to get out, he really is nuts. ;-)))
geeky

Colin,
he knows better not to stick his nose out of the cave wehn the whole world is looking for him
;-)))
Serge

Osama's sure been quiet the past few weeks.
Colin TGP2 Bucks. Loud and Clear!

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geeky

Colin, I know I work better when my stomach is full just ask Serge.
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why me????

Angel is the one who should be asked this question!
;-))))
Serge

Brad.. its a little nippy this morning its going to make you look funny in that thong this weekend : )

Not that we will mind !

Colin, I know I work better when my stomach is full just ask Serge.

Billy (Oprano Sergeant at Arms) Is Serge going to be asshole of the year ? ?

Mutt,
I wish there was an easy answer....

lets forget about political correctness and deal with facts from history.

Here is the sissors of PRO's and CON's I see:

1) Unless they take off the gloves and just destroy that country
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Germans destroyed or at least tryed to destroy USSR on the territories they occupied and
A) Nurenberg Tribunal hanged most of them for crimes against humanity.

we don't wanna go that route.

B) Third law of Newton's reads:
"Resistence to the force is equal to the force one applies"

we don't wanna go thru manually every cave we know and we don't know,
and turn peasants who stay out of the war right now into the partisans.
Germans, one of the most advanced army of that time, lost the partisan war to russian peasants.

we don't wanna go that route.

2) PRO's
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Time is NOT on our side.
Pakistan's Musharaf is barely holding power and support to US against his own people.
Islamic world VERY cautios in their support to us and we don't wanna fight the war on many fronts,
8 years of Clinton have NOT re-inforced our army.

my brain is not big enough to figure out what's best under the circumstance.
Serge

A Northern Alliance commanders sez ...

``If our stomachs were full, we could capture Kabul easily.''
Colin TGP2 Bucks. Eat here!

Serge,

You are right Serge. It's not smart to fool yourself and underestimate your enemy. I think the US military does underestimate these people, obviously that statement shows it.
These people are more dedicated to this fight than we can ever hope to be. We have the good life here. We think about many things, last thing on an American soldier's mind this summer was a war this winter in Afghanistan.

We keep hearing about how primitive these Taliban guys are, how they are illiterate, the leader is mentally ill who sits in a car and makes motor noises with his lips like a child.
Yeah right. They are smart. They are poisoning the food the Americans are dropping making sure the people of Afghanistan hate America even more.

I would hate to have a loved one in the US military right now. Unless they take off the gloves and just destroy that country this is going to be one long and I fear less than successful war.

Quicker to trump up evidence against Hussein and take him out first.
mutt

Geeky,

Mars sounds boring. What we need to do is plunge something down on the surface of one of the moons of Jupiter that might have liquid under the surface.

Maybe we could find some little wacky life forms? What will life look like elsewhere? Self-replicating molecules from hell?

Somehow I doubt it .. just a buncha rocks ;)
Colin TGP2 Bucks. life of the party!

mutt,

that was my thought exactly when i read that article. i sure hope these guys know what they are doing. we already know that the taliban are hiding all of their stuff around the neighborhoods and the mosques. it may come down to whether the US wants to take care of business or just be politically sensitive to everyone's needs.
geeky

"We are suprised by the Taliban's resiliency".....ugh.....shades of Vietnam.
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Mutt,
to tell you the truth,
I'd rather took the no BS aproach to
"rosy" assesment which has nothing to do with the truth.

Underestimating one's enemy never done any good to anybody-
either in business or war.

I am glad I didn't under estimated Cohen,
http://scohen15.tripod.com/index.html
and didn't fight for sexia.com

I lose some games of chess to much lower rated players because seeing their low ratings lowers my guards tremendously
;-)))
Serge

yup i agree.

I really didn't like the comment I heard this morning by one of the US military leaders, he said something like "We are suprised by the Taliban's resiliency".....ugh.....shades of Vietnam.
I'd think by now they would understand that peasant countries don't roll over, when you have been living in hell, few more bombs aren't going to make you give up.

mutt

Mutt,
there are more commons between hard line communists and hard line nazis and
religious fanatics are not an exception.
Replace one symbol for another and the rest of the shpill is confusingly similar!
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Man between terrorists hiding god knows where, domestic kooks pulling hoaxes and these religious nuts in Utah AMerica is a very scary place.

Here are some quotes from that articles:

Ralph Harding:"In fact, our goal is to cleanup communities, one computer at a time"

"When I ran ContentAudit and saw what was on my computer, my jaw literally dropped open. I was not only worried and revolted, I was angry."

I always have serious questions about people when they say are "REVOLTED" by pictures of pussy. Good shrink can help with that NOT Jesus!

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