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Hehe.. I guess 3 titted mutant chicks wouldn't be that bad... :>))



TheEnforcer Isn't it about time you started Making Bank?
Thu, 20 Sep - 15:03:48 216.138.189.9 Post #: 19300


damnit, Enforcer, that means about all that will be left is you, me and Vince McMahon...
we'll just hang at the PlayBoy mansion with all the 3-titted nuclear mutant chicks :)
SykkBoy
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:58:18 216.67.207.196 Post #: 19299


will probably just be us Atheists as we really have nowhere to go...
SykkBoy
Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:39:30 - IP: 216.67.207.196 - Post # 19295
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Ahhh... the sweet nothingness of death all Atheists believe in.. Christians can can have heaven and Muslims can have it too... just give the sweet nothingness of no enternity and I will have died a happy man!!



TheEnforcer Isn't it about time you started Making Bank?
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:50:55 216.138.189.9 Post #: 19298


There will be live "ask Colin" on Max Cash Live this Monday.
Colin Ask Colin
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:49:48 24.164.51.72 Post #: 19297



cj where do your numbers come from?
I don't doubt that 30% of some traffic is women looking for something related to sex, Salon type articles, chatrooms to hardcore porn. But I think general run of the mill porn traffic at your local TGP is still 90% men. Could be wrong tho.
mutt
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:47:34 24.112.37.86 Post #: 19296


I say we just start launching the nukes today...
then we can wipe out this whole world and start over from scratch..then the warhawks get their little war and the hippies get their peace (ill be very quiet and peaceful for a long time thereafer) and let's look at the other benefits of nukes...think of the fun to be had with that new third arm or that extra eyeball...I gotta start making my three-eyed glasses now and cash in on that boom for sure....

since heaven sounds like such a lovely place, this war could help christians get there faster and help the muslims reach allah faster...then everyone will be in paradise...except those of us who survive...will probably just be us Atheists as we really have nowhere to go...
SykkBoy
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:39:30 216.67.207.196 Post #: 19295


Do you understand who consumes pornography?
98% men.
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mutt, here's where I chime in
*ding*
only 70% of porn surfers are men now-a-days :-)
once us chicks realized we could thwack in private at our home computers, there was no holdin us back!


cj (nipple pink 'vaginator') somethin up my sleeve!
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:31:26 203.164.2.198 Post #: 19294



hey i typed 'Hug A Terrorist Today' before I saw justreading's Hug a Hijacker post.


mutt
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:29:00 24.112.37.86 Post #: 19293



You are clearly an idiot Confucy, quite possibly the biggest idiot ever on a board.

First your campaign for 'pretty' pornographic websites. Do you understand who consumes pornography?
98% men. With their pants down around their ankles, a beer in one hand and a mouse in the other.

Now your 'Hug a Terrorist Today' nonsense. Don't speak about things you have absolutely NO knowledge about. If u want I will set up a quiz, just some rudimentary questions about the conflicts and events which are the backdrop for this crisis, and we'll see if you can answer half of them. You can't. I know that because anybody the least bit informed knows there is no peace to be made with this enemy.

Go do something useful and stick your old nasty tongue in a light socket.

And don't think anybody enjoys killing people. That you and your ilk are somehow more compassionate loving human beings. You are a fool.
Now go away.
mutt
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:27:13 24.112.37.86 Post #: 19292


hahaha cj, I always knew you were a militant ass kisser!
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kimmy, we should design a uniform! we could make it a club and invite gurls to join us if they pass the 'militant butch ass kisser' test!! we could have membership cards and a secret handshake!!

cj (nipple pink 'vaginator') somethin up my sleeve!
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:26:14 203.164.2.198 Post #: 19291


hahahahahahahahahahahaha

JR...

too funny
Forest Free Video feeds for EVER 24/7 365.....Ask me How
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:25:47 209.143.51.21 Post #: 19290


ROFL jr, your sense of humor is too good!
KK conversions conversions conversions
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:25:46 64.38.194.18 Post #: 19289


FORGIVENESS, UNDERSTANDING,
TOLERANCE, NETWORKING, LOVE, PEACE,
NEGOTIATIONS....this is what I
believe.
_________________

confucy's car is the one with the "give a hi-jacker a hug" bumper sticker.

justreading
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:23:31 195.7.188.115 Post #: 19288


Brad,

You see this guy is selling his Benz and Airplane too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=595625024&r=0&t=0

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1640364719

Toolz ARS
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:22:28 209.176.118.51 Post #: 19287


confucy,

Please do go somewhere else if you're going to continue to spout off on things you know nothing about.

I'll go back to this little nugget you dropped earlier --
"Ask any pilot what they think about
the present security! It needs to
be beefed up now! Forget the cost.
The FAA, which has been very
negligent in the past and the
present, needs to fork over some
money for titanium cockpit doors,
many sky marshals, and a new rule
book for all airport/airline
employees. "

Have you been to the airport and gotten on a plane? Have you talked to a group of pilots that were flying? Leave the commentary to those who have then.

After reading jr's post about you, I've got that song Babble On stuck in my head now...

KK no illiterates here.
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:17:52 64.38.194.18 Post #: 19286


I
have more blood to donate
__________________________-

I thought Vampires Drank Blood???
Forest Free Video feeds for EVER 24/7 365.....Ask me How
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:16:53 209.143.51.21 Post #: 19285


Want to see something really ugly

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/

Know it can't be correct but explains a lot of today activity or lack there of
Vick
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:13:26 24.180.171.175 Post #: 19284


Confucy - somewhere you are depriving a village of an idiot
__________________________________


Vick

That is GREAT!!!!
Forest Free Video feeds for EVER 24/7 365.....Ask me How
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:13:23 209.143.51.21 Post #: 19283


Vick, now I know how really old and
out of step you are. You have told
me so many times that this is your
last time talking to me that you
have lost all of your credibility,
if you ever had any.

I have made myself perfectly clear.
I abhor violence, and I believe our
government and our airlines let us
down.

What more is there to say?

Instead of making our country safer,
you, dear Victor/Victoria, want us
to take an aggressive stance and
kick ass in other countries, killing
innocent women and children while
you macho SOB's yell KILL KILL KILL

FORGIVENESS, UNDERSTANDING,
TOLERANCE, NETWORKING, LOVE, PEACE,
NEGOTIATIONS....this is what I
believe.

When the U.S. can find bin Laden
in a STEALTH MANNER (as I mentioned
previously), then what they do to
him is up to the American soldier who is holding the gun. It should
be handled just as secretly and
methodically as the terrorists
carried out their murderous acts.

Now, dear Vick, I'm out of here. I
have more blood to donate, more
relief bracelets to buy, and more
volunteer work to do for my beloved
country, the UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA.
confucy How About Two New WTC 25--Foot Towers?
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:10:48 152.163.194.176 Post #: 19282


Saw this on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1007747750
Brad Shaw Free week of video feeds, no bs
Thu, 20 Sep - 14:03:28 65.65.84.81 Post #: 19281


I just wish I could find it in my heart to feel peace toward these monsters. I just can't.

-----------------

Yup Melody....

a quote that kinda sums up most of America's feelings about the people who are responsible for this... No forgiveness in this heart...




Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering beast; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.


TheEnforcer Isn't it about time you started Making Bank?
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:58:55 216.138.189.9 Post #: 19280


Last post on the subject as it is a waste of bandwidth, time and effort

Confucy - somewhere you are depriving a village of an idiot
Please go back the your village, they miss you

You can not even comprehend the difference between an intelligent discussion and a debate
Most likely because you are not capable of an intelligent discussion as evidenced by your statements

For you to attack everyone verbally but not to be ready to defend your country shows how weak you are
If there is a space beyond wrong
that's where you are

If you don't like the USA and what we need to do and what we stand for
GET THE FUCK OUT
I'll help pay for your ticket

I will ignore you and hope every one else does the same
Your not worth the time


Vick Idiots are a dime a dozen
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:50:28 24.180.171.175 Post #: 19279


"Sorry, MIKE AI ! Sometimes all of
you Mike's & John's sound and look
the same to me.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake,
Kimmy. "
------------------

Sure thing, honey, now let me point out the fact that you're at least half blind if you think they all look alike.

KK no illiterates here.
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:45:13 64.38.194.18 Post #: 19278


Sharpie and KK,

I'm ashamed of you two, I thought you would have let this person drop by the wayside rather than create waves at Netpond and on here. But since I know you both personally I thought I'd throw in my canadian nickel's worth.

Tell us confucay, since this is the Good Ole Boys Network, what have you done for us lately? You're attacking two of the most successful women in an industry that is largely men, not because there's not a lot of women capable of doing it but because of interest level. How many women do you see rushing to build cars? A small %, that's because they're not interested in building cars, not because men have said women can't build cars.
When you bring out your list of achievments don't forget to add belittling those women who've done so much for this business.

Toolz ARS
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:44:39 209.176.118.51 Post #: 19277


hahaha cj, I always knew you were a militant ass kisser!

;-}}}
KK no illiterates here.
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:43:39 64.38.194.18 Post #: 19276


Sorry, MIKE AI ! Sometimes all of
you Mike's & John's sound and look
the same to me.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake,
Kimmy.
confucy Women Unite! Wear A Kimmy Veil In Support Of Mid-East Women
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:43:10 205.188.200.39 Post #: 19275


The only women you allow through the doors are implant enhanced porn-bunnys, militant ass kissers like bitch kimmy, and the do-gooders like Pattye and Sharpie.
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kk, i'm going to jump in your category - i don't have implants, and i'm not really a do-gooder ... so i must qualify under butch

:-)))

cj (nipple pink 'vaginator') somethin up my sleeve!
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:40:24 203.164.2.198 Post #: 19274


Well Confucy.... I have been called worse... hahaha I am afraid that I am not the do-gooder I used to be. I am first a businesswoman. I get very depressed when my shows are not as good as I would like them to be. But, someone told me once when I was very depressed "that I have nothing to be ashamed of - anything I have done has been for the good for the industry, and nothing bad for it."

I hope that is my legacy.....

Sharpie 7th anniversary
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:32:24 65.29.86.14 Post #: 19273



Voodooman Canadians, most of them. live in a perpetual LaLa Land, it's not since WW11 that any Canadian has
had to sacrifice a son or daughter.
Not to mention that nobody here realises we have NO defense, NONE, our military is a few thousand social rejects playing with second rate weapons. They forget who is protecting them FREE OF CHARGE.

Candians like to think they are some of kind of Swiss people, chicken neutrals about everything. It was reported today that Bin Laden's number two guy has been living in Toronto for years until six months ago. To show what a small world this is this world famous terrorist was supposed to have a court date in the little city/hellhole I was brought up in. Canada is littered with these
creeps, as we were with German war criminals. Softies.

The truth is though that many Americans are repeating the exact same things you heard on the Canadian program you watched. And America's security and immigration/customs is almost as lax
as Canada's.

I don't know know how many more attacks it will take before some people get what's happening here.
And Canada better watch out. I heard a terrorism expert say that these terrorists have been coddled so much by Canada that if and when Canada puts its foot down with them at the Americans request there's a good chance they will take their shot at Canada. Next time it could be the CN
Tower or Skydome instead of the WTC.


mutt
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:32:09 24.112.37.86 Post #: 19272


Thanx Forest for your kind words... for those of you that don't know me, I run tgp2.net and I'm glad to help a new tgp2 resource in this ever evolving tgp2 movement. I'll try to make my best to make of all the tgp2 projects I'm involved a better place

So, take a peek at http://www.netpond.com/tgp2board and just say Hiya!

Peace
Harvey


Harvey The TGP2 Portal
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:28:22 200.42.71.108 Post #: 19271


confucy, you use the boards to vent your personal issues in the form of attacks against reason, logic and common sense.

you are not a very bright person. it is easy to point out problems, it is easy to complain. but an intelligent person should be able to offer solutions.

you can only attack everyone in your babble about nothing and it often reminds me of a saying i read one time:

great people talk of ideas,
average people talk about "things",
little people talk about other people.

justreading
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:27:24 195.7.188.115 Post #: 19270


"I refuse to debate the two of you (John AI and Vick). What's the point? Both of you believe in aggression, bombs, military invasions, and everything I think is stupidity. "
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Well I think YOU are pretty stupid and perhaps even illiterate given that you can't keep the name of the person you hate straight... or is it that you hate someone else named John and you hate Mike and you just get confused????

"KimmyKim, you are jealous of Luke Ford. You turn against those whose intelligence you don't understand."
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You do have a point. I can't find any intelligence in Luke Ford and I don't understand that...

"Kimmy, I think you would look just fabulous in a veil, especially a black one. The contrast with your bleached hair would make such a fashion statement. CCBill could make you the poster lady of the porn billing world."
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Hmmmm, I'm thinking perhaps something in a sheer silk mousseline??? Let me find a photographer and we'll try it out. Of course one would think that the amount of bleach that's been on my head would leave me infinitely less intelligent than you, but oddly enough that doesn't appear to be the case once again.

I push your buttons, you come out screaming -- it's as good as a game of whack-a-mole at the fair!!!!



KK no illiterates here.
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:23:20 64.38.194.18 Post #: 19269


BTW, CSPN2 should be CSPAN2
sorry.
voodooman
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:19:01 64.135.69.180 Post #: 19268


Speaking of hippy jackasses.
I was flipping through the channels last night and came across CSPN2, I never have watched CSPN2 before, but obviously must be a station for Canada. They had a segment called Town Hall, where people come in and ask their questions to a panel of so called experts. The topic was obviously on the WTC tragedy, but almost all of the people, including the panel was against the USA going to Afganastan with our military. They all think we should solve this politically with talks. What the FUCK? You cannot negotiate with terrorists, you cannot talk to them.
What the fuck do these people think, we can politly say, Please Mr. Terrorist, Please dont do that again. I swear some people are just fuckin ignorant. To top it all off, the people were DEMANDING the USA to provide sufficent evidence that bin Laden was involved, Im sorry, but we dont have to provide shit to anyone, this happend in OUR Country and if any other country has a problem with that, FUCK EM. But thats my opinion.
Sorry for the rant, just pisses me off.
voodooman
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:18:08 64.135.69.180 Post #: 19267


KimmyKim, you are jealous of Luke Ford
___________________________

The only person Jealous of Luke ford IS luke ford...

LOL
Forest There is a New TGP2 Resource in town!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:17:56 209.143.51.21 Post #: 19266


The porn business is the GOOD OLD BOYS NETWORK! The only women you allow through the doors are implant enhanced porn-bunnys, militant ass kissers like bitch kimmy, and the do-gooders like Pattye and Sharpie.

Before you twist what I just said, I take my Easter bonnet off to the women who raise money and give us positive vibrations. However, there has to be room for those of us who stand up to the Sergio's and the John A-Intolerant's of the porn world.

I refuse to debate the two of you (John AI and Vick). What's the point? Both of you believe in aggression, bombs, military invasions, and everything I think is stupidity.

KimmyKim, you are jealous of Luke Ford. You turn against those whose intelligence you don't understand.

Kimmy, I think you would look just fabulous in a veil, especially a black one. The contrast with your bleached hair would make such a fashion statement. CCBill could make you the poster lady of the porn billing world.
confucy No Building should be over 25 stories!
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:15:16 205.188.200.32 Post #: 19265


Opps ...

My bad...

feel free to pull my last post for Spam if you wish...

Sorry
Forest There is a New TGP2 Resource in town!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:15:09 209.143.51.21 Post #: 19264


I thought this was Oprano?


Brad Shaw Free week of video feeds, no bs
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:13:54 65.65.84.81 Post #: 19263


Netpond TGP2 board is PROUD to announce our Newest Addition!!!

HARVEY..

Owner of
http://www.TGP2.net
one of the single Greatest TGP2 Resource sites on the Web...
Harvey will be my Co-Moderator here on the TGP2 Board!!!!!

Welcome Harvey!!!!

Forest There is a New TGP2 Resource in town!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 13:07:55 209.143.51.21 Post #: 19262



I'm picking up some bad vibes from people and only ONE WEEK following the first attack on innocent civilians in American history, a fucking slaughter of over 5,000 innocents. People blaming America for it. I'm hearing it mostly from little neo hippy punks. Morons. I wouldn't be pissed off if they were educated on the subject. All they are doing is repeating some bullshit they heard from another neo wannabe hippy punk who happens to have a rock and roll band.

America makes mistakes. You can't be an isolationist and be the world's richest most powerful country. The United States is forced to make choices and most times they are tough choices, there are few pure black hats and pure white hats in this fucked up world. America on the whole makes the best choice for its future and the future of democracy around the world.

Makes me sick. Read the quotes from this particular enemy directly from their mouths.........they hate Americans period, they hate Jews period, HATE, HATE, HATE!
You go hug em all Confucy, that's just what they need. These bastards need to be wiped off the face of the earth because their goal their glory is in the destruction of OUR world.

It's no secret that Luke Ford attracted alot of old fag hags.
Many believe Luke to be a confused homosexual. I suspect Confucy is one of them.
mutt
Thu, 20 Sep - 12:55:04 24.112.37.86 Post #: 19261


Mike, Serge --

Can I trade in some of my prizes from last week's pool win to get Luke Ford his own little message board, or at least one with his name on it so confucy can be happy again???? Please... I get sooooo tired of scrolling by her more than useless posts, and the fact that they are no more than juvenile attempts to improve her self esteem at the expense of others should be quite clear to every literate person here.

You are very correct that stocks will go up over time Michael, history proves it and logically and economically the market can't fall forever and still survive. Should be some great bargains for those that do their research :)
KK
Thu, 20 Sep - 12:49:53 64.38.194.18 Post #: 19260




Sharpie a year from now, you will be happy you invested in the market at this time.

I have rounded up some free $$$ and are waiting to jump in - I have my eyes on some juicy stock that are very depressed right now - but I am pretty certain will go up over time.


Mike AI Football pickem gearing back up - can anyone beat KK???
Thu, 20 Sep - 12:27:58 66.21.168.21 Post #: 19259


"There are things we CAN do.... we can invest, we can buy things we want or need, we have to restore consumer confidence - or we are really on the skids."

I think we need to direct our anger into more contructive channels. I went shopping with a vengence - bought both new summer & winter wardrobes.... (and I hate shopping) Spent an hour with our finaincial planner - investing in our economy IS something I can do & is probaly smart right now if you are an optimist, if you make the right investments.

Yeppers - I showed them! hahahaha

Sharpie Get on with your life!
Thu, 20 Sep - 12:19:31 65.29.86.14 Post #: 19258


Confucy - "Vick, I will leave it to Bush to come up with some answers. "
That's weak, you make many statements but have no answers for what you feel we should do

Your charity cause is a noble and good effort but it still does not address the issue of
what we should do now
The shirts are expressing our anger, how can we not be angry about the terrorist attacks ?

How would you have us secure our great nation?

It's really not about testosterone, it's really about doing what is right, about saving the ourselves and the world and making it a better place for all
It is a poor choice for us to good to war, but it is the only choice we have left
We will continue to be attacked
What would you have us do?
Turn the other check until there are no cheeks left to turn?

I know full well in my being that I must be prepared to die to defend my family and the country I love
There is no shame in that, I thoroughly belive it is a commendable attitude
My family and my country mean that much to me
What does yours mean to you?

Am sure you know the living conditions for women in fundamentalist Muslim culture


Please address my questions and statements in an honest manner

Vick Cloud 9 Cash it's not far away
Thu, 20 Sep - 12:10:05 24.180.171.175 Post #: 19257



Are we all getting back to work yet?? I for one, think that the longer we let this disturb our way of life - the longer we let "them" win. One week of 'news TV is enough.

There are things we CAN do.... we can invest, we can buy things we want or need, we have to restore consumer confidence - or we are really on the skids.

Yes, we lost last week (which was a crutial week in our planning for AdultDex) so we are running a little late - so what....? We have found the people involved (exhibitors / panelists / sponsors / planners) to have new resolve and much more cooperative than usual. Hopefully, the signup pages / exhibitor list / sponsors pages / and webmaster events will be up this weekend. Time for you to go ahead & make your hotel and airline reservations. Time to put this behind us, thumb our noses at the detractors, and get the show on the road!

Just got a real confidence builder that people are ready and desperate to move on.... don't know how he ever found the page - but I just got a signup for Miami... hhahahha


Sharpie Get on with your life!
Thu, 20 Sep - 12:06:46 65.29.86.14 Post #: 19256




Confucy, I am glad you stopped by to show your true self.

First the shirts, I have no plans on selling them - I am going to give them away to friends. I can afford to buy a few hundred shirts and to give them away. Can you? :-)

As far as the Federal Gov't their #1 job is to defend their citizens from outside threats from other countries. Read the Federalist Papers and other historical documents.


As far as Sex being on SE's at 17, I was just pointing key words that are being used - nothing more. I am not that concerend with my business, you did not see me complain. I sent my people home Tuesday, not to morn, but to watch TV - to watch a world changing. To put them in a mindset like me, that a war on terrorism must start, and be won!

For the record, sex is up to #8 now, and ignorant bitch - is down to #480 :-)

I tend to beleive that new buildings should be built grander then they were. A few 140-150 story buildings would make me happy. I would even support loans from the federal gov't to get them done. This would do a few things, be a memorial to those heros who dies, and to reinforce to those who want to knock us down that they cannot. That we will bounce back, and be stronger then before.

So Confucy, if you are not happy here, I would personally be willing to buy you a ticket to Afganistan for you to move there. I hear they treat women there with a lot of respect.


Mike AI Football pickem gearing back up - can anyone beat KK???
Thu, 20 Sep - 12:06:09 66.21.168.21 Post #: 19255


Vick, I will leave it to Bush to come up with some answers.

I'm tired of the male testosterone
levels going sky high with their
demand for revenge, war, and KILL
THE BASTARDS mentality.

Instead of buying t-shirts with hate
messages from Oprano to help the
relief funds, I suggest an
alternative. The local Los Angeles
TV stations are asking us to buy
bracelets with all proceeds being
turned over to familes of firemen
who lost their lives protecting
ours. Buy several and send them to
your friends. (see url below)
confucy Show Your Support
Thu, 20 Sep - 11:56:24 152.163.194.208 Post #: 19254


Confucy,

I say .. DON'T rebuild them they way they were .. make them MAGNIFICENT.

The Petronas Twin towers to me are GORGEOUS.

I say, don't rebuild the World Trade Center to reflect what America has been or is .. rebuild it to reflect what Americans WANT America to be. The NEXT step.

Colin TGP2 Bucks IS Freedom!
Thu, 20 Sep - 11:48:16 24.164.51.72 Post #: 19253


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Brujah
Thu, 20 Sep - 11:39:28 24.164.61.12 Post #: 19252


Confucy,
I'd ask the same question of you, How old are you?

Freedom should not have a price.
It should be available to every
human being on earth.
*********************************
The operative word in your statement is "should" I agree with you 100% it should. And in a perfect world, it would, but this is far from a perfect world and we need to survive in it as it is.

Of course we need to beef up front end security, no one is arguing that point, but that alone won't do it. I am not a war monger, I was very involved in anti-war protests in the late 60's early 70's and have an FBI file to show for it. (not so much for my actions, but for the actions of the man I lived with for almost 9 years) This situation is different.

We can not turn the other cheek here. We've been doing that and they keep coming. The first bombing of the WTC, the U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole and now this. They have no regard for human life. Dying for their cause is their greatest honor. This is a matter of self defense.

How many more attacks do you think we should suffer, before it's finally ok to fight back? Yes, lives will be lost in a war, but I honestly think more will be lost if we don't fight.

The next attack could be chemical. Would you consider that justification for getting rid of the source of this?

I never would have believed that I would think of a war as justified, but this one is.

Just some thoughts from a former Abbie Hoffman fan.


Red ( Oprano Text Therapist) What would Abbie say about this?
Thu, 20 Sep - 11:38:30 64.171.146.244 Post #: 19251


Freedom SHOULD NOT have a price .. but it does.

What kind of freedom is one talking about? There are many kinds of freedom. We all live under a system of laws, no matter where we are. There are always some freedoms we have and some we don't.

If you mean freedom from tyranny, apparently it has a price, whether it should or not, the world dictates that it does.
Colin TGP2 Bucks IS Freedom!
Thu, 20 Sep - 11:29:55 24.164.51.72 Post #: 19250


...stepping in from the FAR left...
The situation we are facing is not a "criminal" matter. This is war which has been declared on us. The koran speaks repeatedly about "jihad" The true believers/fundamentalists are taught the entire world MUST be converted to islam or else be destroyed. They believe they are doing god's work and indeed are prepared to die for allah. This mentality cannot be negotiated with, threatened into submissiom, or even reasoned with. They believe ANYTHING is acceptable to achieve this goal. Misleading the "infidels" is totally acceptable.
The only way to stop this type of threat is physical destruction.
I look foward to one day soon returning to argueing about taxes, social security, who won the election, but all those debates/pisses are irrevelant until this threat to us has been squashed.
I definalely am not a war monger and believe our country has sometimes put business too far ahead of human rights, but the American way of life with it's faults is still far superior to any other on the planet.
Freedom Lover
Thu, 20 Sep - 11:22:40 216.86.192.201 Post #: 19249


Confucy - Please allow me to give you the opportunity to thrall us with your acumen
If you were the President to the USA
Given the current state of the world and events of the past 8 days
What would you do?


MelissaD - If it is ok by you please let me know when you would have the time to answer questions here on Oprano
That way you can promote your new program to everyone

Vick It's getting Closer ;-)
Thu, 20 Sep - 11:05:51 24.180.171.175 Post #: 19248


Rumor has it Excite will be filiing chapter 11 bankruptcy this week or next.
When: 9/19/2001
Company: Excite
Severity: 80
Points: 170
ByeBye Excite... http://fuckedcompany.com/
Thu, 20 Sep - 10:58:52 172.135.19.211 Post #: 19247


From your comments I can only gather
that you have a crush on me, or you
are just an old fart with no life!

____________________________________

Conie...

My dog is about the ONLY thing that MIGHT have a crush on you...

and that would be with your LEG

hahahahahahahahahahah
Forest There is a New TGP2 Resource in town!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 10:42:48 209.143.51.21 Post #: 19246


I was not aware that Removing the terroist thread, AND beefing up 'home front security' were mutually exclusive things....

me dumb....
fatbaby
Thu, 20 Sep - 10:41:49 24.183.96.41 Post #: 19245


Vick I was unclear in what way? Hit me up on icq or e-mail.

15566387 icq

Things are a little insane lately.
MelissaD (NOBODY is better than me!)
Thu, 20 Sep - 10:38:11 65.81.1.28 Post #: 19244


Vick, how old are you?

From your comments I can only gather
that you have a crush on me, or you
are just an old fart with no life!

Either way, you are way off base!
Freedom should not have a price.
It should be available to every
human being on earth.

War enthusiasts like you believe the
answer is violence. Crush the
terrorists! Forget about the home
front security!

Ask any pilot what they think about
the present security! It needs to
be beefed up now! Forget the cost.
The FAA, which has been very
negligent in the past and the
present, needs to fork over some
money for titanium cockpit doors,
many sky marshals, and a new rule
book for all airport/airline
employees.

Stop talking down to me, Vickie.
It makes you look bad, and it makes
me feel sorry for you.

I bet you also believe that the WTC
should be rebuilt with 200 floors
to show our strength as a world
power.
confucy World Trade Center
Thu, 20 Sep - 10:30:53 205.188.200.43 Post #: 19243


v'ck
you are correct

'f we dont the job NOW
10 years from now the pr'ce w'll be much h'gher

can you 'mag'ne our pos't'on nowe 'f we went all the way to bagdad 10 years ago/

oh well////
Serge from Ystan
Thu, 20 Sep - 10:01:07 212.174.48.211 Post #: 19242


Confucy - Your ignorance is showing
Truthfully you are not worth the bandwidth is takes for your postings
Freedom isn't free - there is a cost, a very high cost
We must pay this price to keep this nation as we know and love it
It is very harsh but it is a reality
Security at home is what we are after and to these ends we must stop terrorism
As far as airlines it is obvious you don't understand the economics
We must have greater security while allowing the airline industry to prosper
Even if we have to prop it up for a while
Vick Yeah yeah it's on the way
Thu, 20 Sep - 09:58:18 24.180.171.175 Post #: 19241



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I saw a hotel collapse in Turkey on the news?
(caused by subway vibrations)...

Serge is in Turkey still?


Fold MaxCash
))))))))))))))))))))))

Fold
yt was Ysmyr
the leather factory

2 blocks away from Ysm'r H'lton
where we were stay'ng

REAL close sh't

we were stopped from enter'ng the hotel due to near by f're



Serge from Ystan
Thu, 20 Sep - 09:57:26 212.174.48.211 Post #: 19240


Mike AI or is it II (idiot
intelligence)?

Are you so very angry because sex
has now dropped to #17 in the
favorite search categories?

Osama bin Laden has displaced
LittleC, Jenna Jameson, and Tera
Patrick.


confucy GOD beats out SEX
Thu, 20 Sep - 09:57:00 205.188.200.33 Post #: 19239


Has anyone heard from Serge...

I have always wanted to go to Ankara...Did you make it there Serge???
Forest
---------------------

forset
y heard frst about the attack at ankara
sorry ths fuckng key board has AY msng!!!

saw t lve on CNN as the fuckng plane ht second tower

y'll NEVER forget that day///
Serge
Thu, 20 Sep - 09:52:36 212.174.48.211 Post #: 19238


Hey Serge,,

did you make it to Ankara???

always wanted to go there
Forest (Pithy is as pithy does) There is a New TGP2 Resource in town!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 09:50:42 209.143.51.21 Post #: 19237


Good night in Istanbul or whever you are, Uncle Serge)

Melody
----------------

thank you sweety

'll tell you more what 've seen after ' get home


Serge
Thu, 20 Sep - 09:48:08 212.174.48.211 Post #: 19236


i think i might be in the process of sharing my virus with the world in the form of an email worm - just cleared a cue of odd emails ...

should be chugging along now.

cj (nipple pink 'vaginator') Forget October 1st, I'm making an announcement SOON!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 09:08:14 203.164.2.198 Post #: 19235


Susie...

I got a PR for ya...

Ill send it to you

=)
Forest TGP2 Has A NEW resource
Thu, 20 Sep - 09:04:57 209.143.51.21 Post #: 19234


MMMM I love being on your list thank you.
SusieS Adult Income News, - Want to submit a press release???
Thu, 20 Sep - 09:01:14 64.230.135.199 Post #: 19233


CJ, no email yet *shrug*


Colin
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:58:40 24.164.51.72 Post #: 19232


susies, you are on my list :-)
cj (nipple pink 'vaginator') Forget October 1st, I'm making an announcement SOON!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:42:02 203.164.2.198 Post #: 19231


Yeah Toolz for sure LOL but I was keeping it short and hehee
we all know who has the biggest gun.

CJ, have you checked out the site in the tag line for your release announcement?
SusieS Adult Income News, - Want to submit a press release???
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:39:56 64.230.135.199 Post #: 19230


Of course, we *could* send drones over their lands to spray pig's blood; thereby rendering their homes totally unholy...
Torone
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:26:30 24.162.17.83 Post #: 19229


CJ,
Then, I would agree with you that you are not. I doubt there is anyone here who wishes differently. I know that I also wish there were a different way; but I don't see one...
Torone
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:24:26 24.162.17.83 Post #: 19228


Susie,

How about the rest of that saying too:

"Because we have the biggest gun in the valley!"


Toolz ARS
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:17:20 209.176.118.51 Post #: 19227


Wake-up call! For those who insist on thinking that there is another way than retaliation/retribution:
--

I don't think any of us 'peaceniks' are saying that ... my point is that I *WISH* there were another way - I don't believe there is but it doesn't stop me from praying for peace.

colin, check your e :-)

cj (nipple pink 'vaginator') Forget October 1st, I'm making an announcement SOON!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:11:01 203.164.2.198 Post #: 19226


Monk,
"Behooved". Thanks, but that would mean buying new shoes,LOL!
Torone
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:10:46 24.162.17.83 Post #: 19225


colin, that's the exact type of story I'm talking about :-(
30 000 000 deaths over a political/monetary/power disagreement :-(

cj (nipple pink 'vaginator') Forget October 1st, I'm making an announcement SOON!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:01:54 203.164.2.198 Post #: 19224


Morning Oprano,

MikeAI, I can't think of anything for that shirt but this,

"Though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear NO EVIL."

SusieS Looking for a sponsor for a specific niche? Click here to find them.
Thu, 20 Sep - 08:00:53 64.230.135.199 Post #: 19223


Wake-up call! For those who insist on thinking that there is another way than retaliation/retribution:
We cannot stop what has begun by pacification! These people do not stop until their enemy (or themselves) no longer exist! If you are willing to accept that, take yourself to Iraq or somewhere and join them! That is the only way that you can stop being their enemy.

We did not start this, and the next peacenik who says to my face that we did is going to get a very nasty surprise! We did not start it: But as the only real superpower in the world, we have a duty to finish it.

The war has been going on for some time, now. If you have a firewall, you have only to look at the number of attempted accesses from outside to realize that the cyber phase of it is going full strength. Zone Alarm on my personal PC is stopping incoming accesses at the rate of about one per minute. This could mean someone looking for information, or it could mean that someone wants to route messages through my computer for whatever reason. Either way, they ain't gettin' in!

Again, Wake UP! This isn't any little game or schoolboy spat! These people want us DEAD!
Torone
Thu, 20 Sep - 07:57:20 24.162.17.83 Post #: 19222


behooved

Monk
Thu, 20 Sep - 07:24:46 156.34.184.134 Post #: 19221


Colin, would you please send me Phillips's email address? I don't have it here on this computer... thank you
Petr EveryCent
Thu, 20 Sep - 07:23:51 212.24.154.8 Post #: 19220


CJ .. Did you read me grandfather's email I posted on TGP2 board? You'd find it interesting I think.


Colin Oprano TGP2 Board
Thu, 20 Sep - 06:41:28 24.164.51.72 Post #: 19219


>>> Luke, if you are reading this, why don't you come forward with your thoughts regarding 9-11-01.

Since Luke (and satorist JMM) isn't around, one indeed wonders just what Pearls of Wisdom Luke would have to share, what ideas of soothing and comfort, what complex military strategies, what words to live by might he offer to us all on the events of the day.

*smirk* I think it would probably go something like this:

Luke Flord: "I am saddened by what happened in NYC. I have had to double my medicine again and see my psychiatrist twice as often because of this. It has, like most things, also traumatized me from having sex. Every time I get it up it reminds me of the towers (ok, very much smaller ones) and it goes down again and I cry. I think I need to get back to my spiritual homeland Israel that I've never been to, but I am now too scared to fly. Maybe I can make finally make peace with Paul Fishbein, as this has again made me comtemplate my ultimate death. Maybe (insert name of a porn star here) will feel sorry for me and let me watch her get naked and have sex with (insert another famous porn star here); where I can then watch them do their evil things as I curse myself for being so evil and weak as to watch them. I will then have something else I can discuss with my pyschiatrist, who I must see more often lately."

dravanon
Thu, 20 Sep - 05:11:20 168.191.31.174 Post #: 19218


I will take Oakland to win it all!

Any takers?
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Thu, 20 Sep - 04:43:25 24.1.150.242 Post #: 19217


Freexxx,

good post, I was laughing so hard I almost cried:)

Well I admit NY has some good players, but this is the Mariners year, there is no stopping us bro.... I think we will take cleavland, then if NY beats Oakland, it will be the yanks next:))
WTG on clemens 20 win:)

sextoyking Oprano Special, 100 Animated banners, $750.00
Thu, 20 Sep - 04:32:31 216.99.199.147 Post #: 19216


Todd, The Seattle Mariners may have won the Division tonight but as always The Road to the World Series goes thru the Bronx and not Seattle. Seattle will probably beat the weak wild card of the east only because they can't play Oakland in the first round. They are no matchup in pitching compared to Oakland or the Bronx Bombers.
FreeXXX Seattle Seahawks
Thu, 20 Sep - 03:40:35 65.32.175.55 Post #: 19215


also, i do not have any particular dislike for Luke Ford. i just do not see any justification for your relentless defense of him.
justreading
Thu, 20 Sep - 03:22:37 195.7.188.115 Post #: 19214


confucy, it is interesting that you feel the need to know who i am... but do not feel the need to reveal your own identity.

in fact you have so ferociously argued in the past that it is just no ones fucking business but your own.

luke ford is a symbol of sloppy and irresponsible journalism and hypocrisy. the fact that you respect that, says a lot about you.



justreading
Thu, 20 Sep - 03:18:34 195.7.188.115 Post #: 19213


Just Reading: Who in the hell are you?

You seem to dislike that wonderful symbol of peace & love, Luke Ford.

Luke, if you are reading this, why don't you come forward with your thoughts regarding 9-11-01.

It might be a bit refreshing after reading what the usual cast of morons here at Oprano have been spewing out.
confucy For Your Viewing Pleasure, JUST NOT READING
Thu, 20 Sep - 03:09:10 205.188.200.23 Post #: 19212


Well said, JR and cj

I'd also like to point out that I was calling bin Laden a psycho, not the peace activists. I just wish I could find it in my heart to feel peace toward these monsters. I just can't. I admire those who genuinely can, but I still don't think it is the path we should now take (though lets certainly not follow the opposite path into Apocalypse Now, for heavens sake).



Melody
Thu, 20 Sep - 03:01:36 209.221.197.136 Post #: 19211


Also, i agree with Melody. the only way you can find the political center is by having both sides. the more outspoken each side is, the more accurately you can find and define the center. that is the true value of our two party political system where the idealism of one side constantly conflicts with the other.
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JR, that was said perfectly. During this time most of us have been riddled with anger and grief - its hard to revert back to a democratic mindset when emotions such as these are present.

The beauty of our democratic countries is our ability to see opposing view points and to develop a middle ground - designed to keep as many people happy as possible. This rule that we govern ourselves under should apply to ALL situations, including this one.

My fear of this situation is the consequences that have come about due to the middle ground NEVER being reached - this battle is not a new one, the history makes it impossible to use democracy at this late stage. :-(

At some point, someone has to give in - or be forced into giving in. :-(

Is it only terrorists we are dealing with? If it were, the action is simple *bang* - but instead, we are dealing with a religious, political and human rights bundle all piled into 1 massive dilemna.

I hate human suffering of any kind - the idea of anyone losing a mother or a brother or more breaks my heart. How many of those situations need to happen to end a war?

I heard somewhere that russia lost 20million in ww2 (?) ... that's more than the population of my entire country... that's too much pain.

---

In an attempt to rebuild some kind of business normality, we've moved our october 1st launch forward to tomorrow - or late tonight if you are in au. TGP2 webmasters will have some great news, as will webmasters in GENERAL. :-)

cj (nipple pink 'vaginator') Forget October 1st, I'm making an announcement TOMORROW!!
Thu, 20 Sep - 02:13:33 203.164.2.198 Post #: 19210


brilliant commentary by a well known Foreign Policy specialist, military planner, UN Ambassader, commercial airline pilot, airport security specialist, counter terrorism task force director, FBI and CIA director and lap dog of Luke Ford.
justreading
Thu, 20 Sep - 02:11:00 195.7.188.115 Post #: 19209


Mike AI, the government's main concern should be SECURITY AT HOME! Have you been at any of the airports this past week? The security sucks. Are the pilots protected in the cockpit? Hell no! Are there Air Marshals on every plane? No! Are there video cameras in every cockpit? Again No! Have the security personnel been adequately trained? Fuck NO!

Look at the number of people on the planes. Nobody is flying. Massive layoffs are taking place.

You and Bush can come up with snappy litte sayings to splash across t-shirts, but what's the point????

Hatred is not going to disappear. Why should we add to it with death threats against bin Laden. The U.S. needs to protect its citizens. We need to fight terrorists in a STEALTH MANNER.

If you want words to put on your fucking t-shirt, go back to the 60's when Timonthy Leary and Baba Ram Dass were hot. Let's throw around a little PEACE & LOVE.

Mikey, when I see you in a uniform on the front line of troups headed for Afghanistan, then I will buy one of your stupid t-shirts. Until then, shut the fuck up with all this hate shit!
confucy Mike, at least get the spelling right!
Thu, 20 Sep - 02:04:42 152.163.194.201 Post #: 19208


mike, i agree with you.

i think this situation requires a lot of new thinking. i think in the end, it will certainly conflict with liberalism, civil rights activists etc and the public opinion will change dramatically once the rubble is cleared and Americans are dying in a war that no one understands, fighting an enemy that no one has ever heard of, never seen and never knew existed.

As for myself, for the first time i began to feel that barbarism cannot be fought with civility.

You cannot fairly protect the rights of people who are using those same rights to perpetrate these acts. You cannot use reason to deal with people that are unreasonable. You cannot use logic with people that are illogical. You cannot threaten people with arrest, who are eager to die.

you cannot put someone in a prison where they enjoy a greater level of comfort and security than they did when they were at home and call that "justice".

i began to realize that in the end, it is a simple choice... civilization or terrorism. there is only one answer. there is only one truly effective solution.

you cannot "bring them to justice" since 1) they are not trying to evade justice and 2) they already achieved their goal and became heros and positive examples to hundreds of thousands of others who aspire to achieve the same goals.

the only "justice" in my mind is destroying them in their entirety. as well as destroying their ability to organize, train for, finance and commit such acts.

as was demonstrated, the government is so bogged down in a system of watchers watching the watchers that these people can do what they did just for the simple fact that security and intelligence agencies could not act fast enough.

two were under surveillance already for a suspected connection to the bombing of the USS Cole... yet they hijacked a fucking commercial jet and crashed it. That is unreal.
_____________________________

Also, i agree with Melody. the only way you can find the political center is by having both sides. the more outspoken each side is, the more accurately you can find and define the center. that is the true value of our two party political system where the idealism of one side constantly conflicts with the other.

justreading
Thu, 20 Sep - 01:48:22 195.7.188.115 Post #: 19207


Hey,

Anyone still buying non-adult traffic these days?

I've got some non adult type-in traffic I need to send someplace. :)

Spam me at kc AT paycounter DOT com
KC
Thu, 20 Sep - 01:41:12 67.166.52.163 Post #: 19206


What a great game in Seattle tonight, My mariners won the division, and are on the road to the world series!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sextoyking Oprano Special, 100 Animated banners, $750.00
Thu, 20 Sep - 01:38:25 216.99.199.147 Post #: 19205


Ok, the Grimmster's Literary excursion inspired me to whip out an old latin textbook I had laying around my library. This dusty tome was written back when Virgil was required reading in school - mostly catholic schools as I recall. Anyway, its full of wonderful little sayings in Latin,most of which I'd imagine are attributed to Cicero or someone of his ilk... But they may look spiffy on the tshirt - so take a peek at them Mike:

Justitia etiam adversus infimos servanda est.
-justice must be observed even towards the most lowly.

Sunt qui de nostro interitu cogitent
-some meditate our destruction.

Eum parve aestimo.
-I value him little.

Fortior erat quam tutior.
-He was braver than he was safe.

Hostis non metuendus.
-An enemy not to be feared.

Diligentia utendum est.
-Care should be used.

Quis te defendere audet?
-Who dares to defend you?

Ne cedanus.
-Let us not yeild.

Sive fecit, sive non fecit, punietur.
-Whether he did it or not, he will be punished.
Edd (Sneaky Ninja Webmaster)
Thu, 20 Sep - 01:33:29 24.21.189.67 Post #: 19204


Mike, those aren't peace activists, those are moronic cowards. They think if we cower in caves like good little rabbits, that these people will go away.

Someone characterized them as psychopaths...that's exactly right. That's a fancy name for a bully. Violent bullies such as bin Laden know and respect nothing but force. He'll only use our goodwill against us, just as he's used our freedoms against us, and then mock us for "allowing him to do it". We can do nothing else but hunt him down and make certain he stays down, one way or another.

Sad but true.

Anyway, I told myself I'd crash early (yeah, right).

Night (again...really)...and good morning, Europe and good day, Australia. :-)
Melody
Thu, 20 Sep - 01:31:37 209.221.197.136 Post #: 19203


>(A)Right is the proper wing to be >in, ain't it?

JMHO, I prefer to have two wings -- keeps me from crashing into things. Of course, that may simply be because I'm a moron. I have enough trouble figuring out what mouse to buy for my computer, let alone trying to determine which "wing" is right. I follow my mind and heart together, and always remain alert to my own inherent stupidity, which is my birthright as a mortal human being.

grim, thanks for posting the quotes. You've featured some of my favorites.

Here's another:

"Heroism is the brilliant triumph of the soul over fear." Henri Amiel

KK, you numbers wizard you, I stand in awe.

Night, Oprani. (Good night in Istanbul or whever you are, Uncle Serge)

Melody
Thu, 20 Sep - 01:24:38 209.221.197.136 Post #: 19202


====================================
This is an act of war - no gov't as declared war against us, but the actions are what matters.
====================================
Hmmm, if it was an act of war, that means no one can have any insurance claims on damages due to the WTC attack...almost all policies have an "act of war" clause...this could get even stickier...
SykkBoy
Thu, 20 Sep - 01:17:46 216.67.207.196 Post #: 19201