do you miss Oprano reviews by Dravyks "team"?

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do you miss Dravyk?

[Forest]

what is a dravyk?

new drink?

Kinda like a Cosmo?

[Mike AI]

Who?

[sextoyking]

Drav is cool and another old timer

[cj]

I miss dravyk

he's a sweet, decent guy
not enough like him around

[ulfie]

I ran into Dravyk in FL a few times and we both have the same disease. We're too damn nice to be in this business. Not sure what your problem with him is Serge, well I lied, I do know, but this is making a mountain out of a molehill in my opinion.

And no, I don't miss the reviews either because I read the boards so I don't need a recap.

[confucy]

Yeah, I miss Dravyk. I miss Dig, ScottPB (don't tell him), Charles Carreon, Robin (didn't have time to get to know him), the fishman who swears he is Cohen's friend), and sometimes I miss the old un-threaded board.

Have you found a replacement for Robin? Mutt, are you coming back?

[Timon]

The Oprano reviews weren't overly interesting IMHO but Dravyk is cool ;-)

[slavdogg]

Dravyk is a good guy
always good to see him at the conventions

he should stop by and post here more often

[slavdogg]

forgot to say

he's the only person i've been confused with, or he was confused with me
or maybe it was just Dig that would confuse us

[photogregg]

Yep Dravyk and Electra are hard-working good folks...we always meet up at conventions.

[Timon]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Aug 18 2003, 01:21 AM
he's the only person i've been confused with, or he was confused with me
or maybe it was just Dig that would confuse us

ok.... now I'M confused! :-/

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Originally posted by photogregg@Aug 18 2003, 05:49 AM
Yep Dravyk and Electra are hard-working good folks...we always meet up at conventions.

yeah-yeah-yeah,
but
1) does Electra post on Oprano?

2) does Electra do anything for Oprano?

3) "good person" is not a profession....it's more like a "hobby" and I am not much into hobbies.

this is what happens behind the curtains:

Electra made her bed with Netpond, when Netpond was #1 and this si where her loyalties are. In today's realities, GFY is #1 and they can't give a flying fuck about Electra.

I still don't know what Dravyk's position in the company and what is his input in policy making, thus it's hard for me to take him serious from the business point of view...I am not that good at dealing with second fiddles.

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Originally posted by confucy@Aug 17 2003, 08:27 PM
Yeah, I miss Dravyk. I miss Dig, ScottPB (don't tell him), Charles Carreon, Robin (didn't have time to get to know him), the fishman who swears he is Cohen's friend), and sometimes I miss the old un-threaded board.

Have you found a replacement for Robin? Mutt, are you coming back?

Dig is lickin' his wounds after Voodoo left him,
ScottPB is in bed with a terrible flue,
Charles Carreon is scratching his balls why he didn't accepts Gary's first offer,
Robin is inventing things,
and JackBrownfield is indisposed, it's a peak of shrimp season in Mexico,

Cohen calls Gary everyday and talks to him about the "goodness of Gary's heart",
I won't be surprised if he talks him into subletting him the guest house one of those days,
and confucy is a Raging Hit on GFY!
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.p...threadid=165207
;-)))
;-))

[Sharpie]

Dravyk and Electra are both good people - doesn't make any difference where they do or do not post. or what convention they do or do not go to.

[dantheman]

I like them both, good folks

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please define "Good People" and how they helped your business...

there are LOTS of good people around, so?

[dantheman]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 09:07 AM
please define "Good People" and how they helped your business...

there are LOTS of good people around, so?

I only see 1 good person that's around in that photo, the rest are NOT around any longer :P

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Bullshit, Dan.

THOSE people helped me and my business 100 times more than Drav and Electra.

do you know that theur average life span was ...90 years?

they ate LOTS of fish,
THAT was useful information I can take to my grave...and what the other 2 did for me? you? universe as a whole?

c'mon,
put your critical thinking cap on, it ain't that hard

[Mike AI]

I will say it.

Drav is a weenie. He has always been a weenie, and will always be a weenie. He is a fence sitter, and an ass kisser. Could this be because of his job? Maybe. But regardless, I have no respect for people who cannot stand up for the things they beleive. ( It is even worse if they do not have anything they beleive in)

Electra, I have seen her around - but never spoke with her, and I never paid attetnion to her posts.

I have some other opinions, but they are not relevant at this time.

As far as letting them back. I do not care one way or the other. For the most part I am against banning anyone, but I support my partner - and if they crossed a line with him, I support Serge 100%.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 10:17 AM
THOSE people helped me and my business 100 times more than Drav and Electra.

(I am about to spout blasphemy.....)

There ARE more important things than business to me, and Drav and Electra are good, smart, folks.

Off topic, Serge - I watched the "Blue", "White" and "Red" trilogy this weekend - if you and LL haven't seen it, it gets a big thumbs up from me!

[Mike AI]

Peaches there are things more important then Business. However, this is a business situation, so things must be evaluated in that light.

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back 2 topic..

and how those "smart and blah" people helped you personally Peaches?

tell me about good and thoughtfull advice you personally got from either of them...

share the joy!

I think that people who rub other people's back just for a sake of it,
are basically insecure...

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 10:31 AM
tell me about good and thoughtfull advice you personally got from either of them...

I have a LOT of friends who've never once given me an ounce of advice personal or businesswise. Some I've known all my life (well, a few have said "Dump him - he's a bum!" so I guess that would count as advice :P )!

Peaches there are things more important then Business. However, this is a business situation, so things must be evaluated in that light.

I agree 100%. But since I've personally never dealt with them in a business situation, I have to base things on a personal basis.

I was just putting my 2 cents (5 cents if you include the movie review. )

Now I have to go take pictures of my poor little beat up truck - feel some pity for me.

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Peaches, when you get back, would you please define "Friend"

what the difference between your friends and your associayes?

what is the difference between your friends, associates and aquitances?

My English is bad, would you please enlighten me? anybody?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 10:49 AM
Peaches, when you get back, would you please define "Friend"

what the difference between your friends and your associayes?

what is the difference between your friends, associates and aquitances?

My English is bad, would you please enlighten me? anybody?

I was looking at Vooman's yard pictures, so I'm still here

In my life, there are varying levels of friends. Acquaintances are those that I've met, but haven't really talked to at any great length. HOPEFULLY those acquaintances become friends later. Like Lisa with PMB. We've met before, but never chatted. We spent some time together in FL and now I consider her a GOOD friend.

When I was in the corporate world there were people I considered "friends", but not GOOD friends, i.e. I'd never spend time with them outside the office, but they were still more than acquaintances. I still DO spend time with people I've worked with over the years - they are GOOD or even BEST friends.

Then there are BESTEST friends :P These are people I've known almost my entire life and they know everything there is to know about me - probably more than they want to know These are people I know I could contact for help no matter what - and they know they could call me. Need some $$$? Not a problem. Need a kidney? I'm there. Need to me to kill your ex....well, I won't answer that one, hehehe.

Then there are OLD friends which are those I used to have a close relationship with, but through the years, we've become further apart

So:

Acquaintance
friend
good friend
best friend
bestest friend
old friend

And there are even some people that are a combination of these, lol!

I also don't dislike anyone based on what they've done BUSINESSWISE to any level of my friends. But do something to them on a PERSONAL level and I'm not very nice.

Confused? I am!! But you made me think and I like that!

[dantheman]

serge, to answer the main question you posted. Not really because I dont read any reviews at all.

have they helped in my biz? ummm, no direct impact to my biz, but I've spent some time with them and enjoy their thoughts on some things. I classify them as friends. I even gave them t-shirts



[quote]c'mon,
put your critical thinking cap on, it ain't that hard [quote] not this morning, I'm dealing with a mild hangover :P

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Originally posted by Peaches@Aug 18 2003, 10:02 AM
But you made me think and I like that!

"It's not a job, it's an adventure"
;-))

..and this si what I do all day long
;-)))

[kath]

Personally - I don't have time to read reviews any more than I have time to read every single board out there. But I do know that a lot of people do. I have a few boards that I post on for business - and a few that I post on just because I like to. I enjoy going to those boards. Oprano is a nice work-and-pleasure type hybrid that I read/post on every chance I get, but I think that having Oprano listed would be helpful to others whose schedules don't allow that type of reading/posting freedom.

As far as tools that I use - the Board Scanner program that AllofEm puts out is very helpful IMHO. There's also another similar program that I've used in the past as well. I like how it emails me on keywords searched for on a HUGE number of boards - boards that I might not ever get around to reading/posting on otherwise, but boards where people are asking questions about things that I should be involved in. I have gotten NEW business and have been able to give webmasters support BECAUSE of this service.

So I guess for some it's about time constraints. You're right Serge, it's not about friends or aquaintances - I absolutely adore both Electra & Dravyk - but I sincerely think that their collected works do contribute to the industry. If there's a tool out there that can save me time - whether it's 10 minutes or an hour or two - I consider that DOING SOMETHING for me.

After all - time IS money and a wise man once told me - back in my newbie days - to work smarter, not harder.

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Originally posted by kath@Aug 18 2003, 10:42 AM


After all - time IS money and a wise man once told me - back in my newbie days - to work smarter, not harder.

..and how exactly have you fullfilled such a greta advice?

care to share some results???

I shared wisdom with my children:
"Wash your hands before you eat"

resu- they don't have stomach aches, ever.

what are YOUR end results?

I love meaningless general advices nobody cares to follow in life but they look good in quotations.....

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Kath,
I'll sum it up and make it easier for you:
show me the money this advice have made you....

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...and this si why I am against mindless back patting,
bunch of blah-blah-blah with no results to show for,
say NO to complacency!

those who follow this great advice,
please post your financial results 3 months from now
;_)))

[kath]

Serge - YOU gave me this advice years ago.

Unfortunately I didn't take said advice until recently when I broke free from my former position/alliances. I am making double what I made back when I worked harder - those 18 hour days were killing me. Now I am working smarter, have more $$$ and have more time to spend with my family.

Sure I am not the 'Net millionaire that everyone hopes to be - but I have found a higher success level that is making me $ and is making me happy.

This is after 9 months of changing my plan. Who knows where I could be another 9 months from now?

And YES... it was "meaningless advice" to me for many years. It took awhile, but it finally made sense. I had an epiphany thanks to you Serge whether you want to take credit for it or not.

Apparently you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.

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Who knows where I could be another 9 months from now?
************************************************** ***

if you give birth 9 months from now-
I don't want any credits,
it's NOT what I meant
;-)))


My advices are like verses from Torah, they are OPEN to interpretations
;-)))

[kath]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 08:00 AM
Who knows where I could be another 9 months from now?
************************************************** ***

if you give birth 9 months from now-
I don't want any credits,
it's NOT what I meant
;-)))


My advices are like verses from Torah, they are OPEN to interpretations
;-)))

Agreed - I won't give credit OR blame.

But you are correct... and like verses from Torah, they sometime plant a seed but it can take years for understanding to bloom - and even longer sometimes for action to be taken.

Fortunately it didn't take me more than 5 to finally figure it out. Doh!

[Vick]

Have read through this thread and see the course it has taken and ...

I too have benefited from Serge's advice over the years and like to add that I hope those (who like me) have benefited from Serge's advice remember that and try to return something in kind weather it is (something as small as) support or feedback and ideas or stimulus to ideas

For example look at MikeAI's post in this thread - that gets a lot of respect and admiration from me, support of your partner ......

[cj]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 09:31 AM
back 2 topic..

and how those "smart and blah" people helped you personally Peaches?

tell me about good and thoughtfull advice you personally got from either of them...

share the joy!

I think that people who rub other people's back just for a sake of it,
are basically insecure...

Quite simply ...

the world needs garbage collectors, waitresses and general shit kickers more than it needs any more leaders.

every person's place in this world is useful to me, even if for no other reason than I don't have to collect my own garbage.

IMHO anyone who takes care of things that bore me is automatically helping me and hopefully the things i do in return are as useful for someone else.

the 'dravyks' of the world are just as important as the 'serges', because if they didn't exist, the 'serges' would be very busy hunting for food

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Vick@Aug 18 2003, 06:43 PM
Have read through this thread and see the course it has taken and ...

I too have benefited from Serge's advice over the years and like to add that I hope those (who like me) have benefited from Serge's advice remember that and try to return something in kind weather it is (something as small as) support or feedback and ideas or stimulus to ideas

For example look at MikeAI's post in this thread - that gets a lot of respect and admiration from me, support of your partner ......

I in no way shape or form meant to demean Serge by supporting Dravyk and Electra.

Apparently there's more to the story than I'm aware of.....

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Peaches@Aug 18 2003, 06:11 PM
Apparently there's more to the story than I'm aware of.....

Pretty much what I was thinking.....

[Vick]

Peaches - that wasn't the intent of my post

Occasionally you can support someone by showing them a different point of view than their own

am I am totally off the subject of this thread




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[PornoDoggy]

This whole thing seems like a pretty simple straightforward dispute between a couple of resource sites over the normal thing that resource sites get into disputes about.

Now, if I was a smartass I would say that about only "more to the story" that isn't being shown might be the egos of the parties involved. Of course, I'm not a smartass - I'm a demacommy.

I work for Dravyk and Electra, who operate Dirty Gloves & All of Em just like Mike and Serge operate Oprano - as partners. I support my employers, just like Mike supports his partner.

I am glad to read that the resident board lyricist wasn't in fact invoking Devo; me personally, I'm thinking along more classical lines.

Perhaps Shakespeare.

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Aug 18 2003, 07:36 PM


Perhaps Shakespeare.

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

fuck...Oprano is going down,
I can't even squeeze a decent piss out of Opranoids
;-)))

[PornoDoggy]

Well, having had my ego crushed the other day by the information that I am not a player, I am obviously not a worthy opponent. Of course, I'm also not dumb enough to play high stakes poker with a guy who wants to use the deck of cards he pulls out of his pocket, either.

I would imagine you could get a good piss going if you cleared up any technical difficuties that might be blocking potential opponents.

Anyway, it's halftime during the football game, and I've got to run out for some dinner. I've got a taste for some KFC tonight.

[Lisa]

I'm not buying into this argument but I just wanted to say...

In my life, there are varying levels of friends. Acquaintances are those that I've met, but haven't really talked to at any great length. HOPEFULLY those acquaintances become friends later. Like Lisa with PMB. We've met before, but never chatted. We spent some time together in FL and now I consider her a GOOD friend.

Aww shucks Peaches, and ditto.

P.S I promise to bring more TimTams next time.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Lisa@Aug 18 2003, 09:20 PM
P.S I promise to bring more TimTams next time.

NO MORE TIM TAMS!! (until I lose 40 pounds. ) The kid actually helped me eat a couple....BEHIND MY BACK and before I threatened to kill him.

[ulfie]

Yeah, those TimTams are awefully good. CJ gave me a box last year and I took them out and gave them to my mom. Well, I ate a few as well. She's been bugging me to get more ever since. May have to go to Australia just to buy cookies.

As far as the Serge vs Dravyk smackdown battle, I've heard Dravyk's side of the story and yes there is a little more to the story. Then again, there are always 3 sides to every story so I have no idea what the truth really is. It's really none of my business though so I'll stay out of it thank you.

[Lisa]

Well Ulfie, looks like you can steal the TimTams from your wife since she doesn't want them.

If she decides to get mean and keep them all for herself let me know and I'll bring you your own supply.

[cj]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA

tim tams have certainly created many international friendships for us aussies

peaches did you know there's a factory in los angeles?!

lots of new varieties out in the last 18 months

mmmmmmm dark chocolate
http://store4.yimg.com/I/souveniroutpost_1741_4143004

mmmmm caramel
http://store4.yimg.com/I/souveniroutpost_1741_4127548

mmmm double coat
http://store4.yimg.com/I/souveniroutpost_1741_4111961

[Peaches]

OOooh! The caramel ones look yummy! I'm not a big dark chocolate fan - give me creamy milk chocolate and I'm a happy camper. :P

You really find out how crappy American chocolate is when you taste it from almost EVERYWHERE else and it's so much better than ours is, lol!

[Lisa]

Makes note:

Caramel TimTams for Peaches

Ulfie, don't worry I'll bring you your own...she's not gonna share the caramel ones, guarantee it.