Would the last one leaving please turn off the lights

[softball]

Is this the whimper or will there be a bang?

I really love this board and its a shame to see this happening.

I stopped by industry old school and realized that those days and those people are becoming faded glory. Like a bunch of old hippies talking about the glory days of Acapulco Gold and Orange Sunshine. No one cares and worse still, in a few short years, no one remembers.

I think that when the going got tough and the easy money dried up, those guys really had no skill. You just can't argue with the result.

[will76]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Is this the whimper or will there be a bang?

I really love this board and its a shame to see this happening.

I stopped by industry old school and realized that those days and those people are becoming faded glory. Like a bunch of old hippies talking about the glory days of Acapulco Gold and Orange Sunshine. No one cares and worse still, in a few short years, no one remembers.

I think that when the going got tough and the easy money dried up, those guys really had no skill. You just can't argue with the result.

Its a close race in this industry to see how the lights will go out, last person turns them off or the electric company does because the bills weren't getting paid...

I guess this industry has finally weeded out a lot of people, some pretenders, some one hit wonders and all of the dead weight that was just here for fun or as a hobby. kudos to the few who 's business has been growing the last couple years (that haven't done so through illegal methods.)

[softball]

so....the pretenders...lets list them
I can think of a few...nick@ilynx....serge oprano....webfather....dragonking...sabby...the enforcer...hammer...jeff miller....anthony...vick....trishauptown...JoesHo. ..JR...Jace...morgan grayson...peaches....12 clicks and that pussy cat girl that used to pitch him.

I am sure there is a lot more. On the other hand, there are survivors...anyone care to mention anyone in either category or have any thoughts on the above?

[DannyCox]

I do know quite a few who made their money and got out. Something I really should have done 10 years ago!

Like most of the old-timers, I made my REAL money last century and luckily, put most of it away. I really just stay on-line to keep busy and because we still have pretty good money coming in from very little work. I do some mainstream stuff dealing with travel and sailing, but those are more vanity projects that I do for fun (although there is money there too)

But yes, many of the mouthpieces from days gone by have crashed and burned quite dramatically!

[gonzo]

We have spoken about this in years past.
Its still a comfortable living but yes the work is a good bit more these days.

I speak with people that arent on this board and that still make a nice living but they are working nonstop.

Its certainly given me a finely tuned skill set that I can apply for a number of projects to be comfortable with and have the appearance of being respectable past the age of 50.

You would be surprised what skill sets still work and how they are being employed.

Graham.... if you will PM me here Id like to extend you an offer for some free promo to make up for you getting fucked in the ass a few years ago. I know I wasnt involved but youve been a good friend over the years and you might get a grin out of what I am up to.

If Danny are Carol have been paying attention they are well aware of my rise to prominence in the last year in quite an odd space.

I toy back and forth with making the entire board invisible to anyone that doesnt know its here and have an id.

I again ask everyones thoughts as I certainly dont need the street cred and would be amused if the animals at the Zoo thought it was gone when in fact I took the entire community private.

[will76]

Originally Posted by gonzo

We have spoken about this in years past.
Its still a comfortable living but yes the work is a good bit more these days.

I speak with people that arent on this board and that still make a nice living but they are working nonstop.

Its certainly given me a finely tuned skill set that I can apply for a number of projects to be comfortable with and have the appearance of being respectable past the age of 50.

You would be surprised what skill sets still work and how they are being employed.

Graham.... if you will PM me here Id like to extend you an offer for some free promo to make up for you getting fucked in the ass a few years ago. I know I wasnt involved but youve been a good friend over the years and you might get a grin out of what I am up to.

If Danny are Carol have been paying attention they are well aware of my rise to prominence in the last year in quite an odd space.

I toy back and forth with making the entire board invisible to anyone that doesnt know its here and have an id.

I again ask everyones thoughts as I certainly dont need the street cred and would be amused if the animals at the Zoo thought it was gone when in fact I took the entire community private.

I work 3x harder to make a 1/3 of the revenue. But since I was making a LOT in the past, what i do now is still not too shabby. My montra these days is " reduce expenses, maximize profit from existing traffic as much as possible".

I've got some ideas on how to revamp things here and get it making some ad money but like anything else it would take a little work to get it in place, it would involve me and i'd like to be cut in on some of the $$$ if it takes back off

[will76]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

I do know quite a few who made their money and got out. Something I really should have done 10 years ago!

Like most of the old-timers, I made my REAL money last century and luckily, put most of it away. I really just stay on-line to keep busy and because we still have pretty good money coming in from very little work. I do some mainstream stuff dealing with travel and sailing, but those are more vanity projects that I do for fun (although there is money there too)

But yes, many of the mouthpieces from days gone by have crashed and burned quite dramatically!

If they weren't "out" by 2006 then they likely rode the ship down and didn't leave wealthy. Take LightSpeed Steve for example, probably hit his peak around 2005 and now i'd be surprised if he does more than 2K a month in rebills. A lot of these guys made good money but blew it as fast as they made it thinking it would always be there. As things started to decline, most of their lifestyles did not and they had fat mortgages and other expenses that they could no longer afford so they stopped spending as much on their business because they needed the money to pay their personal bills, futher accelerating the decline of their business. Then they started selling off lots of the toys for pennies on the dollar or handing them back over to the bank. They never saved and just rode it down all the way to the end.

[RawAlex]

It was in the past that you could make money doing one thing, and then shift over to the next new thing and make some money there, and so on. You didn't even have to go full in two feet first to make it, you could dabble for cash.

What caught a lot of people out is that suddenly, nothing works like it did before, the income levels have dropped, and there is very likely no next big thing to move on to. Guys like Steve Lightspeed got caught with no next step that made anything for them.

It's where Manwin is making a killing now, generating internal traffic and having the money to keep their stuff fresh. Basically, the rich get richer, the poor can't keep up. The gap between big programs and small programs has never been so big.

[softball]

Then they started selling off lots of the toys for pennies on the dollar or handing them back over to the bank. They never saved and just rode it down all the way to the end.

We were not as prudent as we could have been (in retrospect) but still came out with no mortgages, no debt, some nice toys and still have a very respectable income and a goodly investment portfolio.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

is this the whimper or will there be a bang?

I really love this board and its a shame to see this happening.

I stopped by industry old school and realized that those days and those people are becoming faded glory. Like a bunch of old hippies talking about the glory days of acapulco gold and orange sunshine. No one cares and worse still, in a few short years, no one remembers.

I think that when the going got tough and the easy money dried up, those guys really had no skill. You just can't argue with the result.

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[will76]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It's where Manwin is making a killing now, generating internal traffic and having the money to keep their stuff fresh. Basically, the rich get richer, the poor can't keep up. The gap between big programs and small programs has never been so big.

I have my suspicions about manwin and I don't think they (Fabian) is a business genius that figured out how to buy up sinking companies cheap and turn them into a million dollar empire, practically over night, where as no one else has been able to do this.

Only two big companies that I am aware of over the last 5 years that have been buying up everything. DeeCash and and Manwin. Well everyone knows what Dee's game was and how he took companies on the decline and was able to buy them and make tons of money from them. I haven't figured out Fabian's angle, but I seriously doubt its some magic business formula that no one else has been able to crack. Fabian explained once that he would buy a company, turn it around, make it profitable and then take the money from that to buy the next, bigger property. That sounds great in theory, but no one is going to hit a home run with every purchase and you not going to go from 0M to 100M doing that in less than 2 years time, especially in the late 2000's.

If I had to guess, I'd bet it's money laundering. That he was the front guy for an illegal operation that was buying up companies with dirty money so they had a way to get back clean money and even if they lost money its still cheaper than trying to clean it from other means. But that is my guess. Other than that I don't know how they doing it, but I suspect the truth will come out sooner or later just like it did for Dee.

I know a few people who made a ton of money from email spam, but they go on at length telling people how it was from SEO, giving tips and all kinds of bullshit about building sites, duplicating the process, it takes time blah blah blah, while all along 98% of their income was from mailing. When i see Fabian talk it gives me the same feeling.

[will76]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

We were not as prudent as we could have been (in retrospect) but still came out with no mortgages, no debt, some nice toys and still have a very respectable income and a goodly investment portfolio.

kudos to you for at least living debt free now. I didn't blow money on the toys but I made some bad investments. My philosophy was to diversify offline and establish new sources of revenue in case adult dried up. Good logic, i just made some bad choices.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by will76

...When i see Fabian talk it gives me the same feeling.

+1

I agree about the math not adding up. There's substantial additional funds coming in from somewhere.

[sunfunbill]

My income from online biz, which is my only job, keeps going up every year. However it's because I am trying hard to diversify my online income streams. I have about an equal amount of adult and mainstream sites.

I have my own retail online stores where I sell items I buy wholesale, ebay sales, Amazon sales, normal marketing sales sites, adult blogs, dating sites, tourist sites, sell ads on sites, hosting accounts, SEO guy and lots more.

I just made 2 new hentai sites that are doing well, making a new mainstream site today, got a few more in the works. Frankly I can make as much as I want online. It's only limited to the amount of time I have to put into them.

Never stick to one thing, you'll get killed every time.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by will76

I have my suspicions about manwin and I don't think they (Fabian) is a business genius that figured out how to buy up sinking companies cheap and turn them into a million dollar empire, practically over night, where as no one else has been able to do this.

Only two big companies that I am aware of over the last 5 years that have been buying up everything. DeeCash and and Manwin. Well everyone knows what Dee's game was and how he took companies on the decline and was able to buy them and make tons of money from them. I haven't figured out Fabian's angle, but I seriously doubt its some magic business formula that no one else has been able to crack. Fabian explained once that he would buy a company, turn it around, make it profitable and then take the money from that to buy the next, bigger property. That sounds great in theory, but no one is going to hit a home run with every purchase and you not going to go from 0M to 100M doing that in less than 2 years time, especially in the late 2000's.

If I had to guess, I'd bet it's money laundering. That he was the front guy for an illegal operation that was buying up companies with dirty money so they had a way to get back clean money and even if they lost money its still cheaper than trying to clean it from other means. But that is my guess. Other than that I don't know how they doing it, but I suspect the truth will come out sooner or later just like it did for Dee.

I know a few people who made a ton of money from email spam, but they go on at length telling people how it was from SEO, giving tips and all kinds of bullshit about building sites, duplicating the process, it takes time blah blah blah, while all along 98% of their income was from mailing. When i see Fabian talk it gives me the same feeling.

Who says that this wasnt one in the same scam?

[will76]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Who says that this wasnt one in the same scam?

That Dee and Manwin are some how the same people? or that Manwin is banging cards? Im not sure which scam you making reference to

Originally Posted by sunfunbill

My income from online biz, which is my only job, keeps going up every year. However it's because I am trying hard to diversify my online income streams. I have about an equal amount of adult and mainstream sites.

I have my own retail online stores where I sell items I buy wholesale, ebay sales, Amazon sales, normal marketing sales sites, adult blogs, dating sites, tourist sites, sell ads on sites, hosting accounts, SEO guy and lots more.

I just made 2 new hentai sites that are doing well, making a new mainstream site today, got a few more in the works. Frankly I can make as much as I want online. It's only limited to the amount of time I have to put into them.

Never stick to one thing, you'll get killed every time.

Time is always the big inhibitor of revenue. If I could work 24 hours a day and didn't have to sleep I could make a lot more money too

[Evil Chris]

My God you're pathetic rhetorical. You're lost, I swear.

All you do is reminisce about people who don't even know you.
By the way, Morgan Grayson passed away several years ago.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

My God you're pathetic rhetorical. You're lost, I swear.

All you do is reminisce about people who don't even know you.
By the way, Morgan Grayson passed away several years ago.

You have no idea who I know and who I don't know. Your social skills are pathetic. You know like starting a discussion just for fun. The big diff between you and I Evil...and you know this...is I am much better at this internet racket than you. You totally fell apart when the big crash came and were treading water and have been envious of me when I didn't fail as you predicted...oh along with that other genius friend of yours Kenny...another casualty. So, Evil, you can continue to pitch on Netpond (LOL), JBM etc and eek out an existence in the montreal winter...or actually get a skill and move on. You know that when you actually had to do the internet on your own with no backstop, you hit all kinds of walls. You are getting on. You know this is good advice Evil.

However, I would like to thank you for providing me a link to the Don Cherry movie. I laughed. I cried. I was pissed off I have to wait for the second season. I swear when he pops off he will have the biggest funeral this country has ever seen.

[will76]

people really still post on notpond why ??

[softball]

Originally Posted by will76

people really still post on notpond why ??

exactly...desperation I would think. Ask Evil.

Here is a funny quote I found over at good not greedy joint. Its Meat....lmfao...

ive been in the biz for about 7 years and in 7 years i have seen every scam and every scam artist, all the scams and all the scam artisits combined dont match what Bode and sextracker and moneytree have been doing for the last 2 years

he makes them all look like choir boys.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

exactly...desperation I would think. Ask Evil.

Here is a funny quote I found over at good not greedy joint. Its Meat....lmfao...

And once again Meat gives good advice...

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

And once again Meat gives good advice...

lol....he learned from the best. I think its interesting that lord aga is still a mod

[EmporerEJ]

Well, i heard the same thing back in '88 during the meese commission, about the adult video industry then......and I'm still here.

It's doesn't "go away." It just changes.

[bxy]

Last one out, well that will probably be me. I put naked girls on the internet long before the www, long before bbs. I came into it broke, haven't made squat, still broke, and I'm not quittin! I enjoy taking pix of girls, and once in a while the websights even treat. Cool enough. I'd like more, but hey quit why? Oh and as I said before I get my electric from the Sun, no electric co shutting my lights off.

[housekeeper]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

the glory days of Acapulco Gold and Orange Sunshine.

I'm an old hippy, and if memory serves me 'orange sunshine' was acid, and 'acapulco gold' was bud, right?

[softball]

Originally Posted by housekeeper

I'm an old hippy, and if memory serves me 'orange sunshine' was acid, and 'acapulco gold' was bud, right?

sure was....and you still have a memory....lol

[gonzo]

Im busy rocking it gangham style

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Im busy rocking it gangham style

Are you the brand manager here?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Are you the brand manager here?

same shit different board.....
I am amazed that you are still in the porn biz, Evil. You are lookin a little long in the tooth. I guess it is a little too late to go back to school to learn a real skill. Interesting who is still left standing...or in this case...limping along in porn.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

same shit different board.....
I am amazed that you are still in the porn biz, Evil. You are lookin a little long in the tooth. I guess it is a little too late to go back to school to learn a real skill. Interesting who is still left standing...or in this case...limping along in porn.

Personally.., I think allot of you's are limping along in porn. If anyone here in clearing over 500k a year (legally) is a bit unbelievable, especially when your #1 consumers live in a country that's close to financial collapse dragging an unemployment rate of over 130M? I just can't see Americans spending money on naked teachers in stocking when they can't even keep their jobs?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Personally.., I think allot of you's are limping along in porn. If anyone here in clearing over 500k a year (legally) is a bit unbelievable, especially when your #1 consumers live in a country that's close to financial collapse dragging an unemployment rate of over 130M? I just can't see Americans spending money on naked teachers in stocking when they can't even keep their jobs?

lolololol..............

[pornkook]

I remember the good old days of the Infoseek instant add url...