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08-18-2006 | #1 |
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$350 for acting in a porn flick?
I just got an email from some guy looking for actors and actresses to star in porn flicks. The pay was a measily $350 per 'episode'.
WTF? You mean people work for that cheap? What about royalties? |
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for a guy $350 is killer money, barely any guys get that in the industry
for a girl, $350 is VERY low...my wife used to get that just for a handjob right now if we were to go back to porn valley my wife could get about $1500 per scene |
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oh, and there are VERY rarely royalties in porn...VERY rarely, like 0.001% of the time someone will offer royalties, and those that offer that never amount to anything and don't sell shit...LOL
fact is, porn dvd's don't sell enough to really offer any royalties, and how would you offer royalties on a internet scene? by download? by site profit? how would you measure you videos popularity over anothers? |
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6 figures per year is easy as a female performer...hell, when my wife and I first started we made upwards of $120k in 4 months or so you have to figure a hard working porn girl makes $1500 a scene and if she puses herself works 2-4 times a week....average 3 that is over $200k a year easy most girls blow their money VERY fast though...but if you are hot, do a good scene and show up to work with a nice attitude, you can live a nice life fucking on camera guys are WAY diffferent.....here is a little tidbit for you...you know when you see porn and see a guy blow his load and dribbles out? that isn't because the guy sucks, that is usually because the guys get such low pay that they have to do 2-3 scenes a day sometimes if they can squeeze it in...so, you may have just seen that guys 3rd scene for the day and he is all tapped out...cause when you only make $150-250 a scene, you have to work 5 times as hard as the girls to make decent money there are a few guys raking in the dough though...some of the more solid performers can get upwards of $600-800 per scene...but they are solid, cute guys that can always get rock hard, cum on cue and never fuck up a scene |
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and oh yeah.....letting people see our "performance" wasn't any deciding factor in it all
our performance is just sex...and sex isn't this big taboo thing for us...if we were allowed we wouold have sex in on the benches in the mall...it just isn't anything really, just a nice fun act that feels great. nudity is nothing to us, so the chance to get paid for fucking on camera was a kickass opportunity...hell, we had sex in front of friends for years before we did porn, so why not get upwards of $2000 to do the same exact thing? |
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Ja, I know.
That's why a performer is best if they know how to run their own sites. That way they get the lion's share of the dough instead. I have webmasters ask me to do toon sites for them every freakin' day. The large magazines also. I don't because I didn't have the time and why do it for other people when I can make the dough myself and offer an affiliate program instead? One thing about toon performers, you don't gotta pay em'. |
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I run a one man operation, did it part, part time and still made more dough than most. My overhead is minimal because I only pay one person, the hosting company. I live a rough life you wouldn't believe and if I told you, you'ld flee for the hills. I can now take time off and just have fun focusing on the sites more. You're smart. You know what you're doing. You probably don't need a major studio to back you up. I've seen the cookie cutter sites out there that just don't have any pizzazz. I see the same thing in the video game industry. We design these characters and games and some make it, some don't. It depends on the talent, niche, personality. |
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Oh, I've never found it hard to make a buck, only hard to make the time to make a buck.
One of these days the adult actors should form a union? |
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"very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner"
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The irony is the guys make nothing, but it's tougher to find a reliable stunt cock than it is to find girls. Most cocks have stage fright and/or shoot too quick or cant shoot on queue at all.
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Oh and please don't encourage unions. All that would do is make the best performers earn less in order to 'carry' the newbies and it would create a mandatory 'bottom line' minimum for even the shittiest of performers. Pay should be directly negotiated by the people involved, based on the facts and abilities presented, not a fucking union representative. |
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3000-4000 is about average from what I understand |
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I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it |
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Jace you're right. Everyone i know, including myself, considers 5000 sold to be the porn industry equivelent of a 'gold record'
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The girls that fail, I think, are the cookie cutter sites. They all look the same and think because they are beautiful, they will sell. It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex. |
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And I've been doing it for free all these years............
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I don't know how corporate this site is but 'Wifey's World' is very popular. It's got it's main star and her boyfriend/husband and she does the same thing in each clip. If she runs the site she should be doing well considering how popular it is. Remember when Bang Bus started? People actually thought it was real. We laughed our asses off because we knew it was a gag. It was unique, had good performances and funnier than shit. Word of mouth shot that site and company through the roof. I do toons. I've had umpteen gillion toonists come to me, we set up a site for them and they fell off. They had tons of traffic, great looking art but they didn't know wtf the surfer was looking for. With almost a billion people on the web, the statistics are that probably 100 million have enough money to actually buy shit. A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well! 1,000 members at 10-20 bucks a month is more than enough to get by on unless you're a junkie or degenerate gambler or have child payments/alimony. Depending on your overhead that is. Add to that affiliates and you can do extremely well if you have charm and charisma. I'm finishing up my second affiliate program. I know right off the bat I only need ten pro level webmasters to put me over the top. Why? Because I know they know wtf they're doing. I'd rather have ten kick ass guys than 1,000 bullshitters who are only sending circle jerk traffic. Jace, you're well respected so I ain't gonna argue here, yet you know as well as I do some people have it and some don't. |
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Greg we dont mind business debate here. Its good for us all.
As far as your toon site. In the words of Andy Dunn ..... TEST TEST TEST your traffic.
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"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"
I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate. |
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$200 fror a pocket cam $750 to CCBill for Visa $200 for some hosting And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right? WRONG Not if you want to make any money that is...
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you can be a vanilla porn girl all day long, but if you aren't interesting you won't go far problem is, most porn girls aren't interesting...and when a porn girl is only in it for the money the members/buyers can tell, and she will not go far which is why I personally always think it is in a girls best interest to find someone who has a proven track record of launching successful solo sites to come in and work with her, which is where my statement about having a good backer comes in....I didn't really mean backer in terms of money, it was more about experience I will tell you this though, I do know a lot of porn girls personally, and I share ideas and info with them, and fact is, whether people believe it or not, if a porn star is running a site all on her own then it is a HUGE success if that girl has over 150 members in fact, out of the 10-18 porn girls I know and chat with, I can count on one hand the girls that have over 150 members, and only one of those has over 250 members....girls, sponsors and webmaster ALWAYS lie about what they make and how many members they have |
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I know established solo girl sites that never broke 500....i know a few sites out there that everyone thinks are gold mines that never broke 500 members |
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if people were smart they would build up a solid traffic network before they even started working on a paysite so many site owners think if they throw up a paysite and open an affiliate program, people will instantly come and push that site....hahahahaha here is some reality for those people....I have been working with nscash for 3 years now....I bring people into the program in hopes that they will push my wife's site. In the past 3 years I have referred 56 new webmasters into nscash...now take a guess how much money those 56 webmaster are making? an average of $900 a month that is a typical affiliate these days, the market is so flooded in every niche that affiliate programs are finding it harder and harder to bring in new ACTIVE affiliates...even if you get the affiliate signed up, chances of them sending any traffic are pretty small the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything more than spare change to buy pizza with this is for new sites mind you, established programs already have that affiliate base, so it is a lot easier this is also just my opinion though, and like assholes, we all have one |
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Believe me bro, I know what I'm doing or I wouldn't have lasted this long. I just didn't need to do it or wanted to do it full time. Now I can afford to fart around and do it full time. |
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If a small site is making $75-$90k gross that's not bad at all. If invested right it could put you in a range of personal wealth in a million bucks not to long down the road ( real estate ). Yes, some people have too high expectations. I never did. I just followed one simple equation: I have fans + My fans like tits + I draw tits good + I put drawings of tits on website + I charge money = I earn money. Add 'more' and 'better' to any of those variable and I win out. Besides, I've met some great minds over the years in the biz who always have a hook up So I shuts up and learns when need be. |
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Considering the money paid out to actors it's a wonder how any of them make it. How much do the BangBros pay their models for a Bang Bus shoot? Foreign talent must work for pennies. Program gurus must be making a fortune off em'. A big program must have large overhead and I remember a pal that ran a very successful program back in the late 90's had 5,000 members. He did real good but decided to get out of the biz in the early 00's. Some models you see on everybody's sites. Like Katja Kassin. She must be worth her weight in gold as she appears on one site after another. She must claim a high salary. Does she have her own site? If she did would she command 1,000 members? I think so! |
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Considering the volume of surfers and money spent someone is raking in the dough. What also surprises me is I see new models every week. All ages too. I'm surprised at the number of older women in their 60s appearing on sites! Popular too! I have no idea how these models are recruited unless it's just the growing population percentage wise. What do ya say to a chick to get her to model hardcore? I guess the same you say to get em' to walk a street corner. People love porn or it wouldn't be a multi-billion $$$ industry. As the population grows so will the business I suppose. If we dropped prices would we get more members? Let's say a site with 150 members at $30 a month dropped it's price to $15. Would they then jump to 300 members or more? Logically it appears that it would but if you have a high overhead I guess it wouldn't be equitable. If I dropped my price to $5 I would have 10,000 crumbsnatchers piling through. Believe you me I know as I have a niche where the memberships get that high and higher and they told me right out to drop to that price not knowing that I would probably only be able to make $1 on each sale. |
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At our conventions, a model to a comic can sell a fucking photo with an autograph and lipstick kiss for $30 and sell 1,000 in a few hours. On a 3 day convention of note she could walk away with $60k + and not even take her clothes off but that all depends on the books she's promoting. Heck, if I do a comic book cover alternative and autograph it I can make the same. That's why if you go to the comic book conventions nowadays you'll see armies of women in costume trying to get a gig. Some just show up and charge $5 for a photo of them with you. Guys eat that shit up. Due to time however the girls who really rate only make about $500 a day unless they get tips and guys shove $10s and $20s in their utility belts all day. I mean amateur chicks in some superheroine outfit they sewed together the night before. Even the girls in high school pull this shit off and buy iPods and stuff. It's a huge surge. One funny story is a blonde I saw at a show in Vegas. She was fiiiiiine, slim, in a Japanese Manga outfit. Dudes were all over her. She took pics, charged $10, $20 a pic and kiss allll day. She was tall too like a Nordic princess. Then me being an artist noticed around 5 pm that afternoon that her upper lip had a wee bit too much fuzz on it. Yep, she was a he and knew I caught on. He leaned over and told me he makes crazy money doing this shit and there were several other guys who do it too. He had me cracking up about how many hits he gets from guys AND girls and even MOTHERS of attendees! He used the money to help his parents and siblings as they were going through rough times. At the sci-fi/comic conventions hotties show up from some of the R rated flicks but only a rare few from X rated. |
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Thanks for the tips but Ive been aware of that market now for quite some time. We invade in 2 weeks. http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=274027
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"the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything"
It has always been that way. I have been around for a long time now and just recently did an affiliate programme. Its ok, but my own marketing costs way less and earns much more. But it is travel money. Cash programmes are not a good thing for any boutique web business. Cash programmes are good for cash programmes. I have done the numbers six ways to Sunday and they just don't make any sense. They do make sense if you are a bulk content provider which most of us are not. |
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Traffic isn't always the key. A few years ago I got listed on The Hun. It was a nightmare! Gillions of hits and conversion was shitless. Just a bandwidth burner. For me, the lower the traffic the higher the sales. I'm so buried on mainstream comics stuff and other illustration stuff I didn't focus on traffic til this year. I kept away from the big traffic sites and the traffic brokers. They send traffic but it's not niche so it's worthless freeloader traffic. Traffic is either an asset or overhead. No gray area. I'm sure I'll do far better affiliate wise as my test trial a few years ago. That was some GOOOOD money! Always came in, kept coming in, webmasters were happy. I'll feel back to normal in a week. I don't do content providing anymore. Only to an invitation only few who respect the work. I don't even charge em'. I do trades for traffic or computer parts or whatever barter is around. Somebody always has a cool hookup! Barter got me big hookups over the years. Don't knock it! |
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What don't you guys understand? It is the law of supply and demand in full cry. Getting girls to have sex is easy as pie, hence it is not valuable. It is one of your minor costs.
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